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[Sydle]

It was announced as $1b prelaunch, correct? It can only have gone sharply up from there, especially if you consider moves like Titanfall exclusivity to fall under it. (Though I suppose that could also be booked in the form of future incentives rather than immediate payments.)

The only $1b figure from Microsoft I recall was the investment in games, which may have been used for Titanfall and Gears, or maybe not. The $1b in games was announced before those deals supposedly took place.

The only article I can find about the Xbox One launch marketing campaign spend says it was $100 million dollars.

Happy to be wrong, just want to make sure we're discussing facts.

 

[Mandoric]

The only $1b figure from Microsoft I recall was the investment in games.

The only article I can find about the Xbox One launch marketing campaign spend says it was $100 million dollars.

Happy to be wrong, just want to make sure we're discussing facts.

I consider the investment in games to be part of the promotional expense - I definitely don't think there's, say, $1B in launch ad buys AND $1b in exclusive deals inked by launch.

On the other hand, $100m for marketing EXCEPT software deals sounds very low, considering both the original Xbox and the Kinect are said to have launched with $500m marketing budgets.

 

[rokkerkory]

Missing out on either will not be good for me, just like last gen.

gotta have both

 

[GoofsterStud]

Cronusmax? I have one...didnt think it worked on ps4.

It does. I use it to play my DS4 on my Xbox One.

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

No offense. LOL. My son does that. Says the most outrageous things to you and then adds "no offence".

Getting back to your point. Maybe they want to play games like Dead Rising 3, Forza 5 and Ryse and are looking forward to playing Halo on it at some point this year.

It's not hard to understand why folks would chose the Xbox One. I do agree with you about the value proposition but the recent prices cuts are helping in that regard.

It sounds like you raised him well

Yeah, I know the people who want those games would have to get an XB1, but I didn't realize those games were so popular that the XB1 would still be selling as well as it is. None of them scream "system seller", so what is selling systems? The online? The new controller? The promise of the Cloud? Or just that people are invested in their achievements? I'm betting it's brand loyalty which will eventually fizzle out this gen unless MS does something drastic to increase the value of the XB1.

 

[Sydle]

I consider the investment in games to be part of the promotional expense - I definitely don't think there's, say, $1B in launch ad buys AND $1b in exclusive deals inked by launch.

On the other hand, $100m for marketing EXCEPT software deals sounds very low, considering both the original Xbox and the Kinect are said to have launched with $500m marketing budgets.

Not to be rude, but that's some fuzzy logic and there's no precedent for game development budget being accounted for as marketing budget.

Let's stick to what we know and be good enough to admit what we don't know.

 

[Dragonborn]

Some are regretting it; whatever. I will have both anyway, but I don't get abandoning XBL for PSN...never will.

Perhaps people are tired of paying for a service that offers nothing of value, especially when compared with it's competitor?

 

[sjay1994]

Some are regretting it; whatever. I will have both anyway, but I don't get abandoning XBL for PSN...never will.

 

[bob page]

Started last gen exclusive to the 360 and ended it with the PS3 as its library started to become superior. PS4 only to start this generation for me.

Reason? Mainly Xbox Live and lack value for my money / poor policies. PS+ simply blows it away.

 

[NullPointer]

Some are regretting it; whatever. I will have both anyway, but I don't get abandoning XBL for PSN...never will.

That's easy. PSN now has what XBL used to. Parties and party chat is as easy as it was on the 360. Updates happen in the background and the OS is quick and snappy with everything you need a button press away. PS+ instant games, including the amount of them across platforms is just the icing on top - though if you also have a PS3, its pretty necessary icing, to unfuck that OS as much as possible.

What remains to be seen is dedicated server support for games. MS talks about the cloud but only Forza and Titanfall seem to be making use of it. Even still, that's more than we're getting from Killzone for instance.

 

[NewGame]

iirc a lot of PS2 owners went to the Xbox 360.

And most SNES owners went to a PS1.

And most Atari 2600 owners went to NES.

Why can't people be normal and just be brand loyal to one console manufacturer!!

 

[stryke]

Some are regretting it; whatever.

There are better ways of dismissing a poll than using a word often said by girls with attitude problems.

 

[xxracerxx]

Why can't people be normal and just be brand loyal to one console manufacturer!!

 

[Gxgear]

Some are regretting it; whatever. I will have both anyway, but I don't get abandoning XBL for PSN...never will.

Some people are realists.

 

[Marleyman]

There are better ways of dismissing a poll than using a word often said by girls with attitude problems.

That is sexist.

 

[EmptySpace]

Some are regretting it; whatever. I will have both anyway, but I don't get abandoning XBL for PSN...never will.

they don't care which one they're on as long as it works?

 

[Marleyman]

Some people are realists.

Realists? I have used PSN and the only part of it that I dig is the free games. I don't like the party system and think the updates and lack of communication about improvements are bunk. I have a much smoother experience w XBL.

 

[Baby Milo]

Some are regretting it; whatever. I will have both anyway, but I don't get abandoning XBL for PSN...never will.

PSN is better imo right now in terms of paid services. Love the free games. Also i have zero interest in the xbone at the moment.

 

[Marleyman]

PSN is better imo right now. Love the free games. Also i have zero interest in the xbone at the moment.

Have you used XBL extensively? Be honest here.

 

[Baby Milo]

Have you used XBL extensively? Be honest here.

had a 360 at launch with XBL

still rocking with the original 360 as well

 

[Marleyman]

Perhaps people are tired of paying for a service that offers nothing of value, especially when compared with it's competitor?

A superior interface is value; better servers are value. Consistent communication is value.

 

[Marleyman]

had a 360 at launch with XBL

How much did you use it? If so, are you telling me that PSN was better on PS3? If so, how? Finally, you haven't used XBL on Xbox One yet PSN is better?

 

[OmahaG8]

A superior interface is value; better servers are value. Consistent communication is value.

Heh. The semicolon means business.

 

[Marleyman]

Heh. The semicolon means business.

Heh means business. Quality contribution.

 

[Chobel]

Some are regretting it; whatever. I will have both anyway, but I don't get abandoning XBL for PSN...never will.

Salty?

 

[Oddvintagechap]

Realists? I have used PSN and the only part of it that I dig is the free games. I don't like the party system and think the updates and lack of communication about improvements are bunk. I have a much smoother experience w XBL.

PS4 has a conference in two days, there is no lack of communication. They put gaming features first. They have double the games out & announced.

PSNOW is coming this summer.
As well as PSTV.

didnt xb1 just get a actual party system.
didnt they just get (only)twitch streaming too?

they are annoucing big features at GDC, rumored to be VR and some games.

 

[Marleyman]

Salty?

Nah, just surprised that many would just jump ship after XBL on the 360 was the superior service overall.

 

[Dragonborn]

A superior interface is value; better servers are value. Consistent communication is value.

Last I checked party chat was broken for months on XB. The interface is also a joke, it's cumbersome and needlessly complicated (and too reliant on voice control).

MS could get away with charging for it years ago, but not anymore. They offer nothing of actual value, and it's quite hilarious that much like that X1, they ask for a higher price for XBL for an inferior service.

 

[Marleyman]

PS4 has a conference in two days, there is no lack of communication. They put gaming features first. They have double the games out & announced.

There is a definite lack of communication. Where are the UI updates, improvements? Threads have been made talking about it. You can't be that oblivious.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

A superior interface is value; better servers are value. Consistent communication is value.

PSN is a whole lot different now. I've never had server issues since PS4 launched. Remember, old PSN was a free service. Free of charge. You were paying nothing, for essentially the exact same service. New PSN costs money, but with that addition has come great improvement. PS plus also makes it miles better in terms of value. You get free games you get to keep every month. And not old games. Recently released games.

 

[Marleyman]

Last I checked party chat was broken for months on XB. The interface is also a joke, it's cumbersome and needlessly complicated (and too reliant on voice control).

MS could get away with charging for it years ago, but not anymore. They offer nothing of actual value, and it's quite hilarious that much like that X1, they ask for a higher price for XBL for an inferior service.

Disagree completely, other than the party system being a mess. Turning on chat was pointless when entering a party.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

A superior interface is value; better servers are value. Consistent communication is value.

the developers control what kind of servers they use, if any game relied on servers it would be COD...it plays excalty the same ln Ps4 as it does on XB1. Infact ... your practically paying Microsoft for nothing.

 

[stryke]

Nah, just surprised that many would just jump ship after XBL on the 360 was the superior service overall.

Then obviously there are many out there that don't value XBL as much as you do.

 

[Marleyman]

PSN is a whole lot different now. I've never had server issues since PS4 launched. Remember, old PSN was a free service. Free of charge. You were paying nothing, for essentially the exact same service. New PSN costs money, but with that addition has come great improvement. PS plus is also miles better in terms of value. You get free games you get to keep every month. And not old games. Recently released games.

Quality of servers; I have seen my buddy have issues with KZ: SF numerous times. Free games are better, no doubt about it. It should spur MS to up its game.

 

[Dragonborn]

Disagree completely, other than the party system being a mess. Turning on chat was pointless when entering a party.

So what exactly does XBL offer that's worth the money? Honestly, both are completely stable outside of some days (heck, XBL was having sign in issues a few days ago, wasn't it). GWG is a complete joke.

I guess being able to access apps you already paid for is totally worth it?

 

[EmptySpace]

Then obviously there are many out there that don't value XBL as much as you do.

boom-shaka-laka.

 

[jiiikoo]

Nah, just surprised that many would just jump ship after XBL on the 360 was the superior service overall.

Yes, XBL was better on the Xbox 360 but PSN has gotten better.

 

[Nafai1123]

There is a definite lack of communication. Where are the UI updates, improvements? Threads have been made talking about it. You can't be that oblivious.

There have also been threads about how terrible the XB1 UI is and yet you claim it's superior. You can't be that oblivious.

 

[Rogue_Ledr]

Some are regretting it; whatever. I will have both anyway, but I don't get abandoning XBL for PSN...never will.

Because ..... why?

I have both and PSN is better IMO.

PSN+ offers a ton of great free content for the 60 bucks you spend. Xbox Live? Not so much!

Plus in terms of features the two are basically equal now.

 

[Dragonborn]

Quality of servers; I have seen my buddy have issues with KZ: SF numerous times. Free games are better, no doubt about it. It should spur MS to up its game.

That's dependent on the servers used, not on whether you're on XBL or PSN. If you for example put CoD MP on X1 and PS4 side by side, both would run the same since they use the same thing (well, you'd notice the X1 version looks worse, but that's beside the point).

I personally never had an issue with KZSF, but that's just me.

Don't tell me you actually believe all that Cloud BS?

 

[Marleyman]

Then obviously there are many out there that don't value XBL as much as you do.

Don't know about many; think the numbers released the other day were surprising to many as far as Xbox One catching up. I just think MS is more proactive when it comes to improvements to their UI, online.

 

[NullPointer]

Realists? I have used PSN and the only part of it that I dig is the free games. I don't like the party system and think the updates and lack of communication about improvements are bunk. I have a much smoother experience w XBL.

Am curious here - whats not to like about it? Its one of the biggest reasons I was able to go from the 360 to the PS4. Its as straightforward to use as the 360, or has the new Xbox improved things enough that that not up to snuff? If anything I've heard the bone has gone backwards in some ways, but maybe that's been fixed already.

 

[Marleyman]

There have also been threads about how terrible the XB1 UI is and yet you claim it's superior. You can't be that oblivious.

Terrible after the updates? It is much better than it was. While you and many others still wait on promised improvements and other wish lists that may never be fulfilled.

 

[Biker19]

Nah, just surprised that many would just jump ship after XBL on the 360 was the superior service overall.

Things change. PSN on PS3 didn't exactly have some of the features that Xbox Live used to have on the Xbox 360 (like Party Chat due to the limited amount of RAM inside PS3). Now they're about even with Xbox Live on PS4 & has all of the stuff that Xbox Live on 360 had, and more.

 

[Dragonborn]

Terrible after the updates? It is much better than it was. While you and many others still wait on promised improvements and other wish lists that may never be fulfilled.

Why exactly are you so sure they'll never be fulfilled? lol.

 

[Marleyman]

Am curious here - whats not to like about it? Its one of the biggest reasons I was able to go from the 360 to the PS4. Its as straightforward to use as the 360, or has the new Xbox improved things enough that that not up to snuff? If anything I've heard the bone has gone backwards in some ways, but maybe that's been fixed already.

At the beginning of March many had the same issues of not being able to create a party, join one.

 

[badb0y]

Terrible after the updates? It is much better than it was. While you and many others still wait on promised improvements and other wish lists that may never be fulfilled.

You realize the piece of crap UI the Xbox One shipped with right? IIRC you couldn't even delete shit from it.

 

[cchum]

That's dependent on the servers used, not on whether you're on XBL or PSN. If you for example put CoD MP on X1 and PS4 side by side, both would run the same since they use the same thing (well, you'd notice the X1 version looks worse, but that's beside the point).

I personally never had an issue with KZSF, but that's just me.

Don't tell me you actually believe all that Cloud BS?

Isn't KZ a hybrid of peer to peer and dedicated anyway? so that doesn't really speak to the network that much

 

[Nightengale]

Don't know about many; think the numbers released the other day were surprising to many as far as Xbox One catching up. I just think MS is more proactive when it comes to improvements to their UI, online.

Improvement in sales is far,far far more likely to be contributed by games rather than XBL improvements.

We'd be hearing a ton of used Ps4s in the market if there were ' regrets ', as you put it.

 

[Dragonborn]

At the beginning of March many had the same issues of not being able to create a party, join one.

From November, to March, every X1 owner had issues with it... on account of it being completely broken. What's your point here? Furthermore, party chat isn't behind the paywall.

Lol? Read next time. I used the word "may." Does that sound "so sure" to you? I do think that they are piss poor when it comes to communicating what they are going to do/want to do, when things are broken.

Umm, have patience? It's been what, 4 months? You sound like they've been quiet for years.