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EDGE: Sonys VR tech will be revealed at GDC
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I see what you're doing, you should stop that.
720p per eye, 720 = 1280x720 usually
VR is typically considered to have a more human FoV, so we don't see 16:9 aspect ratios retained.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
I can see this definitely happening. Basically a reverse PS4 situation. Show off how shiny it is, and keep specs/price/software hidden for E3.
Fair enough, I still don't see the point though. At what point does resolution become indiscernible on a screen that size at regular viewing distances?
VindicatorZ
Member
Very hopeful for what Sony will bring to the table. I'm hoping for an increase in field of view to at least 120 degrees, and that they discuss pixel persistence and latency. I'm not worried about resolution with Sony. Hopefully they can nail the price right.
PodcastFips
Member
yosp is, like, openly responding to tweets that refer to the panel as a 'VR panel' and other jokes about virtual reality.
I don't know. If it was me, I'd be quietly ignoring tweets like this if VR was not on the cards...
Then again, yosp can be a master troll
What surprises me more is the fact that Engadget's tweet sounds like they are absolutely certain about a VR reveal. Maybe leaks are starting to sink the ship in the last few hours?
yosp is a master troll btw, I wouldn't count on anything regarding him
Apophis2036
Banned
Is there a live stream of this event ?.
Stop what? Not being a fanboy? I'm excited about new tech, from Sony or anyone, but if nothing happens tonight then life goes on. Jesus Christ...
Yeah so you're saying it'll have two screens, one per each eye?
DirtyLarry
Member
I was about to ask the same thing. I am sure it has been answered already, but please make a brothers life easy while I am still at work for the man.
TIA
As far as i know bro's, there wont be.
Ill be following Eurogamer live transcript at:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-18-gdc-live-report-sonys-future-of-innovation-talk
No stream but Sony is filming it. Will probably release something after.
OneLifeCycle
Neo Member
Sweet! I can POAST now!!!!
My Bingo card:
- Mentions official PS2 Virtual Reality kit released in 2002.
- PS4 Virtual Reality kit, name not final, design not final.
- Uses Camera + visor-light for positional tracking.
- Single 1080p Oled screen.
- Supports low-persistence illumination but not requirement.
- Headphones output.
- New and improved PS.Move controllers (touchpad or stick controls + speaker).
- Annnounced games support: Resogun, DriveClub, The Witness, Everyone's Gone to the Rapture, Unfinished Swan. "Dozens of games in development".
- NASA Title not being shown/mentioned (developed at Magic Lab, PS.Move guys. Will first be shown at E3)
- LittleBigPlanet 3D, made inhouse at Media Molecule.
- Until Dawn re-announced.
- Virtual Cinema for video playback.
- No PC support mentioned (no official support coming).
- Wired. Uses PS4 AUX port (has a through-pass for Camera).
- Mentiones the advantages a console ecosystem will bring to VR.
- "The biggest step forward since the introduction of livingroom 3D graphics in 1994 by the PS1."
- Releasing 2014, no date/price before E3.
Hoping for at least a third of this (for tonight).
- Mentions official PS2 Virtual Reality kit released in 2002.
- PS4 Virtual Reality kit, name not final, design not final.
- Uses Camera + visor-light for positional tracking.
- Single 1080p Oled screen.
- Supports low-persistence illumination but not requirement.
- Headphones output.
- New and improved PS.Move controllers (touchpad or stick controls + speaker).
- Annnounced games support: Resogun, DriveClub, The Witness, Everyone's Gone to the Rapture, Unfinished Swan. "Dozens of games in development".
- NASA Title not being shown/mentioned (developed at Magic Lab, PS.Move guys. Will first be shown at E3)
- LittleBigPlanet 3D, made inhouse at Media Molecule.
- Until Dawn re-announced.
- Virtual Cinema for video playback.
- No PC support mentioned (no official support coming).
- Wired. Uses PS4 AUX port (has a through-pass for Camera).
- Mentiones the advantages a console ecosystem will bring to VR.
- "The biggest step forward since the introduction of livingroom 3D graphics in 1994 by the PS1."
- Releasing 2014, no date/price before E3.
Hoping for at least a third of this (for tonight).
googleplex
Member
Wouldn't cutting down the aspect ratio to a more human FOV also have the added benefit of lowering rendering overhead?
Neuromancer
Member
Sometimes those are fun too
Nah but I'm 99.9% sure this is happening. There's too much smoke surrounding it for there not to be a fire.
At this point there'd be a massive backlash if it wasn't
It'll be there, will we get hard details? I don't think so
Same....EG comment sections are always the best
Indeed, funny and in good spirit =P
Wonder if the driving the future of innovation includes being able to pause downloads on my PS4
Just an announcement would be good enough for me
E3 isn't too far off so more info won't take long.
Yeah hehe, they do hurt though.
For low quality sure, if Sony is going to release a high-quality one like rumored, it can range from $300-$400.
It'll increase it actually, interestingly no one has even attempted to guess the FoV, I don't know if it's because we haven't discussed it in the thread, or just no one knows what to guess. It'll be between 90 and 110 I imagine, drastically wider than anything running on PS4.
Neuromancer
Member
I don't know about Resogun, specifically, but I don't think VR only works for first person view games. They could do things where you control a free camera, or you're looking in on a set like Luigi's Mansion on 3DS.
$200 would be too cheap for the technology
I don't see VR being big on console this gen. A good VR experience is 1440p and above at 85-90fps/refresh rate(to get strobing and greatly improve motion clarity http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/60vs120vslb/, lightboost is basically strobing go check the differences from normal lcd to strobed one).
Most games don't offer 60 fps, some of them don't even get 1080p support. I tried the 720p rift and it simply won't cut it for gaming (you can literally count the pixels and see the black grid).On top of that, time goes by devs will need to make sacrifice to make their games run well, either cutting resolution or framerate witch both are extremely important in a VR environment since it's right up to your face.
Game support will also be an issue considering there can't be mods on a console made by community so there won't be backward compatible, currently there isn't much to play on ps4 and VR is going to be e niche on top of that you won't be able to play many games in VR. The rift for example has over 100 games currently running on it it's not even out yet.
As for the hardware, the games made for VR will have to support exactly the resolution and be 60 fps. if the resolution of the game isn't the same as the screen it add blur since the LCD scaling isn't square 1:1. You can't cut a pixel in half. It is apparent but not that big of a deal in a screen or a tv but with something 5 inch from your eyes on top of low resolution it will be like looking at a distances when you need glasses. 30 fps is just headache inducing when you play VR.
The only way they can fix it is reducing the field of view of the physical screen but it will be like watching trough a tunnel. Those are my concerns for VR on ps4/sony VR headset.
Most games don't offer 60 fps, some of them don't even get 1080p support. I tried the 720p rift and it simply won't cut it for gaming (you can literally count the pixels and see the black grid).On top of that, time goes by devs will need to make sacrifice to make their games run well, either cutting resolution or framerate witch both are extremely important in a VR environment since it's right up to your face.
Game support will also be an issue considering there can't be mods on a console made by community so there won't be backward compatible, currently there isn't much to play on ps4 and VR is going to be e niche on top of that you won't be able to play many games in VR. The rift for example has over 100 games currently running on it it's not even out yet.
As for the hardware, the games made for VR will have to support exactly the resolution and be 60 fps. if the resolution of the game isn't the same as the screen it add blur since the LCD scaling isn't square 1:1. You can't cut a pixel in half. It is apparent but not that big of a deal in a screen or a tv but with something 5 inch from your eyes on top of low resolution it will be like looking at a distances when you need glasses. 30 fps is just headache inducing when you play VR.
The only way they can fix it is reducing the field of view of the physical screen but it will be like watching trough a tunnel. Those are my concerns for VR on ps4/sony VR headset.
If I'm going to stand by buying a Wii U with about three or four games I want at $150, I'm going to stand by a VR set with three or four (and potentially more!) games for a maximum of $150-$200. (If there are a ton of games I want, obviously I'll increase my price!)
That being said, I don't think the tech is there to launch at that price. I'm guessing $300 taking a loss on each unit at first. And I honestly don't know if that could hurt it. :s
BRocknRolla
Member
This is where I'm at. I've come around to a device being present, but I'm still doubtful anything meaningful (tech specs or product details) will come out.
Oh man, that wouldn't bode well for the thing should it be near the cost of the actual console. Here's hoping for some technical wizardry AND a reasonable price-point.
Creation is going to be amazing. Imagine standing atop a pyramid in MM's game, dropping insane shit everywhere.
Tower defense would be really cool.
You're assuming anyone who's interested in this event is a fanboy when there's clearly not true. There's many reasons to be excited for whatever is announced tonight and it's not because "Sony". You're basically fanboying the assumed fanboys.
To clarify, the guy you quoted said "I really hope this actually gets revealed tonight and isn't just another massive hype train that goes nowhere". He was saying he hopes the hype lives up to exceptions. It has nothing to do with what you think it was.
DirtyLarry
Member
Thanks for the fast replies about the livestream. Will read Eurogamers liveblog then, and if my Time Conversion is correct, that is 8:30 PM here in glorious NJ, which means no issues making it. Nice.
No. Same view, same controls. You just have ability to look around the world while the main battle is going on in front of you. That would look and feel spectacular not only for Resogun, but also for Trine 2, Dead Nation and similar games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=K03okCfcXUQ#t=953
Agreed. I just want them to announce the damn thing. Everything else can evolve over time.
googleplex
Member
I don't think we'll get a new Move controller. I'm hoping for a updated Nav controller or a Move attachment specifically for VR.
Similar to these:
I'm sure this has been discussed already, but the fact that Richard Marks is going to be at this presentation almost guarantees some kind of new hardware device is going to be shown off.
However, I would not expect that hardware to have a marketable name yet, let alone being past the prototype phase.
However, I would not expect that hardware to have a marketable name yet, let alone being past the prototype phase.
Oculus comments on Sony VR rumors:
http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/03/18/oculus-on-sonys-rumored-vr-headset
http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/03/18/oculus-on-sonys-rumored-vr-headset
Dr.Schlomo
Banned
This isn't a Nintendo Direct.
Just kidding of course.
I am extremely excited about this panel tonight. At best we will get the VR headset reveal with details about upcoming games and at worse...well there is no "worse". It's a panel with ysop, it's going to be great.
If they add the light ball thingy to the Nav controller, then I'd be all set. It would be perfect for Skyrim type games where you can use both hands as a weapon, or sword/shield combos.
Great response and I 100% agree.
Reasoned, rational, and eloquent stance.