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[LiquidMetal14]

This is completely unnecessary and down right ridiculous given what happened to this poor guy. Instead of blanket defending the police officer in this situation actually read what happened. Then add his history of violating procedure and racially charged harassment then you have a recipe for disaster.

I agree. I mainly was disputing the quote that he used for the basis of his post. It's clear that split second decisions are made daily all over the country and there are times that the show is on the other foot and it's the cop who dies when he's trying to apprehend someone who just robbed a store or stole something meaningless compared to the life they were willing to take. It doesn't surprise me to see the response but I do hope they do a thorough investigation and the facts are taken into account.

 

[Xcellere]

It sucks to hell and back but that particular piece you picked is true in many situations. Quick decisions have to be made in order to gain control of a criminal or suspect or else it's the cop who has been killed or beaten up by a black or Hispanic person. I knew a friend in Southern California who I basically consoled and told him he did the wrong thing. He got caught in the end but he basically evaded police for doing something wrong and hurt a white cop who was only doing his job. I've read several stories about excellent white cops with amazing community service which were killed by scum criminals who have no remorse the other way around. As I said yesterday, it's such a damn shame it comes to this but I think it's fair to say cops are more right than wrong in a lot of these cases.

I think it's fair to bring up the contrasting side since I think it's unfair to just bash the cop for doing his job even if he did do something stupid like choke hold. It's the thousands of other situational decisions that happen throughout the year which allow criminals or suspects to evade police and sometimes brutally and cold heartedly murder good police force. Those things often don't get the response as this case which I noted, it's very hard to watch that and can only stomach it once. I feel bad for the guy in the end and wish there would be other solutions but as stated several times, police have to apprehend suspects every day and sometimes it ends their lives if they don't make quick decisions.



Pretty sure they do. My mother in law and brother in law work in the field. You're going to often times be in high stress situations with firearms.

Police apologist in a thread about the unwarranted murder of a suspect? Fucking unbelievable.

Your posts are shit and you should take your reprehensible opinion elsewhere.

 

[Easy_D]

Police apologist in a thread about the unwarranted murder of a suspect? Fucking unbelievable.

Your posts are shit and you should take your reprehensible opinion elsewhere.

Apparently only black and Hispanic people kill (white) cops. They have to be careful man.
/sarcasm

 

[Enzom21]

It sucks to hell and back but that particular piece you picked is true in many situations. Quick decisions have to be made in order to gain control of a criminal or suspect or else it's the cop who has been killed or beaten up by a black or Hispanic person. I knew a friend in Southern California who I basically consoled and told him he did the wrong thing. He got caught in the end but he basically evaded police for doing something wrong and hurt a white cop who was only doing his job. I've read several stories about excellent white cops with amazing community service which were killed by scum criminals who have no remorse the other way around. As I said yesterday, it's such a damn shame it comes to this but I think it's fair to say cops are more right than wrong in a lot of these cases.

I think it's fair to bring up the contrasting side since I think it's unfair to just bash the cop for doing his job even if he did do something stupid like choke hold. It's the thousands of other situational decisions that happen throughout the year which allow criminals or suspects to evade police and sometimes brutally and cold heartedly murder good police force. Those things often don't get the response as this case which I noted, it's very hard to watch that and can only stomach it once. I feel bad for the guy in the end and wish there would be other solutions but as stated several times, police have to apprehend suspects every day and sometimes it ends their lives if they don't make quick decisions.



Pretty sure they do. My mother in law and brother in law work in the field. You're going to often times be in high stress situations with firearms.

You are still defending this cop who essentially murdered someone, especially after what we know about him harassing black people? It says a lot about you that you continue to defend him but the fact you brought up white cops pretty much explains why you think him harassing and killing black people is no big deal. Enough with your despicable shit.

 

[interactivemonodrama]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8af0QPhJ22s

 

[Zeuanimals]

To imply that that is indicative of the behavior of most police officers in America is nonsense.

Are some police officers bad people? Sure.
Are most police officers bad people? No.

Alone, no, most aren't. But have a few bad cops or maybe even one doing something bad, then others will likely follow. It's group mentality. It's the cops' faults and it's also human nature's fault.

Riots happen because of this. Most people who participate in riots are good people and certainly never thought they'd be in a riot, but they follow what others around them are doing, not because they've been harboring the thought of doing such things (though that can be a possibility), it's often because "everyone else is doing it, so I might as well too". It takes inhuman strength and will to not be like everyone else and to do what's right.

Still, that doesn't mean these cops are innocent, they killed a man and "group mentality" doesn't absolve them of this. They won't get in any serious legal issues because of this though, that's not how this country works.

 

[Dali]

It sucks to hell and back but that particular piece you picked is true in many situations. Quick decisions have to be made in order to gain control of a criminal or suspect or else it's the cop who has been killed or beaten up by a black or Hispanic person. I knew a friend in Southern California who I basically consoled and told him he did the wrong thing. He got caught in the end but he basically evaded police for doing something wrong and hurt a white cop who was only doing his job. I've read several stories about excellent white cops with amazing community service which were killed by scum criminals who have no remorse the other way around. As I said yesterday, it's such a damn shame it comes to this but I think it's fair to say cops are more right than wrong in a lot of these cases.

I think it's fair to bring up the contrasting side since I think it's unfair to just bash the cop for doing his job even if he did do something stupid like choke hold. It's the thousands of other situational decisions that happen throughout the year which allow criminals or suspects to evade police and sometimes brutally and cold heartedly murder good police force. Those things often don't get the response as this case which I noted, it's very hard to watch that and can only stomach it once. I feel bad for the guy in the end and wish there would be other solutions but as stated several times, police have to apprehend suspects every day and sometimes it ends their lives if they don't make quick decisions.



Pretty sure they do. My mother in law and brother in law work in the field. You're going to often times be in high stress situations with firearms.

Yeah sorry but cops sign up for a dangerous job. If you're a coward that uses excessive force in fear of your life for no good reason then you need to prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If you murder someone over a verbal disagreement with not even the slightest hint of physical harm (other than your own cowardice) then you're a piece of shit and there is no defense. Civilians aren't cops and shouldn't be held to the same standards. You're basically saying it's ok for cops to use their fear to justify murdering a person.

 

[Spinluck]

It's always New York.

Fuck those officers btw. Fuck them all.

RIP, poor guy did not deserve that at all, absolutely terrible.

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

Please tell me some serious shit went down with those asshole cops. Jail, lost jobs, disgrace or something.

 

[3JORN]

This is just too much RIP.

 

[Instro]

Exactly, this incident was from last September

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/16/us-usa-police-accident-idUSBRE98E0AT20130916



That officer has been charged with voluntary manslaughter though.

Honestly I don't think this wouldn't have happened if the lady hadn't lied about him trying to break in. Sadly there's nothing that can be done on that end.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/19/nypd-daniel-pantaleo-chok_n_5602742.html

Allowing this guy to continue being a cop is one of the reasons people think all law enforcement agencies are corrupt.

The police unions are very much to blame in all of this as well. Look at how they responded to the guy getting stripped of his badge, its pathetic. They are very good at keeping helping to keep bad cops on the job.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

What is it with US cops and choke holds?

http://www.nbc12.com/story/25969540/second-family-says-petersburg-police-went-too-far

Is this something that's being taught nationwide to take down anyone they feel isn't listening to them?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

It sucks to hell and back but that particular piece you picked is true in many situations. Quick decisions have to be made in order to gain control of a criminal or suspect or else it's the cop who has been killed or beaten up by a black or Hispanic person. I knew a friend in Southern California who I basically consoled and told him he did the wrong thing. He got caught in the end but he basically evaded police for doing something wrong and hurt a white cop who was only doing his job. I've read several stories about excellent white cops with amazing community service which were killed by scum criminals who have no remorse the other way around. As I said yesterday, it's such a damn shame it comes to this but I think it's fair to say cops are more right than wrong in a lot of these cases.

I think it's fair to bring up the contrasting side since I think it's unfair to just bash the cop for doing his job even if he did do something stupid like choke hold. It's the thousands of other situational decisions that happen throughout the year which allow criminals or suspects to evade police and sometimes brutally and cold heartedly murder good police force. Those things often don't get the response as this case which I noted, it's very hard to watch that and can only stomach it once. I feel bad for the guy in the end and wish there would be other solutions but as stated several times, police have to apprehend suspects every day and sometimes it ends their lives if they don't make quick decisions.



Pretty sure they do. My mother in law and brother in law work in the field. You're going to often times be in high stress situations with firearms.

You've made so many excuses and justifications for the police in this thread for someone who tried to tell us he agrees with us.

 

[bigboss370]

the guy looked young too. and now his life is gone.

Very sad and very unsettling.

 

[Chariot]

Please tell me some serious shit went down with those asshole cops. Jail, lost jobs, disgrace or something.

For now? They're sitting in desk jobs as long as the investigation goes, not further punishment or restriction.
Only two of them btw., the rest isn't even under investigation.

 

[charsace]

Why the fuck are these idiots applying choke holds if they don't understand them? You don't need more than one guy to choke someone out if you know what you're doing.

 

[Nemesis121]

Why the fuck are these idiots applying choke holds if they don't understand them? You don't need more than one guy to choke someone out if you know what you're doing.

Choke hold is illegal procedure for NYPD officers and kneeling on him is another illegal procedure, this maybe not end up with a slap on the wrist..

 

[kame-sennin]

This is the most appropriate, and heartbreaking, use of a gif I have ever seen.

Serious question: do NA police officers go through any kind of psych evaluation?

They do, but they're not fool proof. Either way, that won't solve the problem. Yes, clinical psychopaths will be attracted to positions of power where they can use deadly force, i.e. the police department. But the much larger problem is the effect that policing has on a healthy individual. When your job is to harass and brutalize one specific community (POC), and everyone you work with looks at these community members as sub-human, you will eventually succumb. Developing sociopathic behaviors is a coping mechanism that people develop after they've been forced to repeatedly cause harm to other human beings. The alternative would be to have a break down. The same thing happened in Vietnam's free fire zones. When your platoon goes into a village and kills almost everyone there, your mind gets warped. That's when otherwise normal people start collecting body parts from their dead victims and taking part in gang rape.

Ultimately, police in the U.S. are fucked up because their job is fucked up. You either become changed by the job, or you wash out.

This is completely unnecessary and down right ridiculous given what happened to this poor guy. Instead of blanket defending the police officer in this situation actually read what happened. Then add his history of violating procedure and racially charged harassment then you have a recipe for disaster and your defending him think how that makes you look.

Like a dyed in the wool racist?

 

[Dabanton]

They do, but they're not fool proof. Either way, that won't solve the problem. Yes, clinical psychopaths will be attracted to positions of power where they can use deadly force, i.e. the police department. But the much larger problem is the effect that policing has on a healthy individual. When your job is to harass and brutalize one specific community (POC), and everyone you work with looks at these community members as sub-human, you will eventually succumb. Developing sociopathic behaviors is a coping mechanism that people develop after they've been forced to repeatedly cause harm to other human beings. The alternative would be to have a break down. The same thing happened in Vietnam's free fire zones. When your platoon goes into a village and kills almost everyone there, your mind gets warped. That's when otherwise normal people start collecting body parts from their dead victims and taking part in gang rape.

Ultimately, police in the U.S. are fucked up because their job is fucked up. You either become changed by the job, or you wash out.

Real Time with Bill Maher had an interesting section at the end of his show on Friday where he discussed the continuing militarisation of US police, that platoon mindset is what they have become practically an occupying army in some cases. Who show up with extreme force and brutalise the locals.

 

[theignoramus]

so the officer has a history of racial harassment, nice.

 

[Farslain]

To imply that that is indicative of the behavior of most police officers in America is nonsense.

Are some police officers bad people? Sure.
Are most police officers bad people? No.

Agreed, but understand that those of us living in countries where this doesn't happen a few times a year find this very shocking.

To accept it on any level, at any frequency is abhorrent.

Judge Dredd was a good read, I just don't think most of the world is ready to accept it as a reality yet.

 

[diaspora]

Didn't this guy end up losing his gun/badge?

 

[water_wendi]

Didn't this guy end up losing his gun/badge?

Placed on desk duty.

 

[JB1981]

Man this video is really upsetting.

Has Fox News or any other right wing news outlet come to the defense of these guys?

 

[MikeDown]

Man this video is really upsetting.

Has Fox News or any other right wing news outlet come to the defense of these guys?

EDIT: Actually Fox News had a quick article, it wasn't very informative and didn't go into detail about the murder. Also that fucker, Glenn Beck has an article on his site, The Blaze, that is surprisingly negative towards the police. Beck is a con artists, panders to conservative audiences just to make money, Lord knows how many old people he ripped off for creating his television network. Glad Fox News got rid of him, much rather watch greg gutfeld

 

[rjinaz]

EDIT: Actually Fox News had a quick article, it wasn't very informative and didn't go into detail about the murder. Also that fucker, Glenn Beck has an article on his site, The Blaze, that is surprisingly negative towards the police. Beck is a con artists, panders to conservative audiences just to make money, Lord knows how many old people he ripped off for creating his television network. Glad Fox News got rid of him, much rather watch greg gutfeld

I was surprised to see that the comments on the article on that website, The Blaze, were heavily in favor that the cops did wrong here and the comments were civil. On the article on CNN, the comments were disgusting and favored the cops.Situations like this shouldn't be a partisan issue anyway.

It doesn't surprise me even a little this cop has a history of bad behavior. I find it amusing that as a citizen, you get a record (even for just being arrested) that can haunt you for the rest of your life preventing employment in some cases. These cops just get to keep on working and terrorizing people without consequences. Something must be done.

 

[Enzom21]

I was surprised to see that the comments on the article on that website, The Blaze, were heavily in favor that the cops did wrong here and the comments were civil. On the article on CNN, the comments were disgusting and favored the cops.Situations like this shouldn't be a partisan issue anyway.

It doesn't surprise me even a little this cop has a history of bad behavior. I find it amusing that as a citizen, you get a record (even for just being arrested) that can haunt you for the rest of your life preventing employment in some cases. These cops just get to keep on working and terrorizing people without consequences. Something must be done.

The Blaze is very anti-government. If it's police vs black people, they'll begrudgingly side with the black person. If it's a black person committing a crime, then they get racist.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

the guy looked young too. and now his life is gone.

Very sad and very unsettling.

Last night I decided to check tumblr to see what was being said about this and someone posted an old picture of Eric smiling with his wife. She's never going to able to do that again.

 

[Narpas Sword0]

It sucks to hell and back but that particular piece you picked is true in many situations. Quick decisions have to be made in order to gain control of a criminal or suspect or else it's the cop who has been killed or beaten up by a black or Hispanic person. I knew a friend in Southern California who I basically consoled and told him he did the wrong thing. He got caught in the end but he basically evaded police for doing something wrong and hurt a white cop who was only doing his job. I've read several stories about excellent white cops with amazing community service which were killed by scum criminals who have no remorse the other way around. As I said yesterday, it's such a damn shame it comes to this but I think it's fair to say cops are more right than wrong in a lot of these cases.

I think it's fair to bring up the contrasting side since I think it's unfair to just bash the cop for doing his job even if he did do something stupid like choke hold. It's the thousands of other situational decisions that happen throughout the year which allow criminals or suspects to evade police and sometimes brutally and cold heartedly murder good police force. Those things often don't get the response as this case which I noted, it's very hard to watch that and can only stomach it once. I feel bad for the guy in the end and wish there would be other solutions but as stated several times, police have to apprehend suspects every day and sometimes it ends their lives if they don't make quick decisions.



Pretty sure they do. My mother in law and brother in law work in the field. You're going to often times be in high stress situations with firearms.

FYI this guy was a nonviolent, alleged offender of tax law who was standing on the sidewalk with his hands up and his palms facing outward. So what the FUCK are you talking about?

 

[abuC]

Sometimes I think, why would I ever ask a cop for help or call the police? They'd probably shoot me thinking I was the one committing the crime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhOer0PCM3Y


"sprinkle some crack on him"

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Police apologist in a thread about the unwarranted murder of a suspect? Fucking unbelievable.

Your posts are shit and you should take your reprehensible opinion elsewhere.

It's an open discussion.

You've made so many excuses and justifications for the police in this thread for someone who tried to tell us he agrees with us.

It's only my opinion.

FYI this guy was a nonviolent, alleged offender of tax law who was standing on the sidewalk with his hands up and his palms facing outward. So what the FUCK are you talking about?

I don't think I need to elaborate more. It's a damn shame it even happened.

 

[Mesousa]

This is the direct result of what happens when you embrace your occupation. Just because you cease revolutionary action does not mean the oppressor will cease oppressive action.

You can hear the pain in his voice before he is assassinated. Talking about "always being harassed". You can tell he had been living with this for a long time, and that it finally boiled over at this point. The natural reaction to not having an outlet for the revolutionary action he desired. With such an outlet there is no doubt he would still be alive today.

I think the original video should be required viewing for anybody looking to educate someone in the danger of not approaching revolutionary action in an object oriented logical fashion.

 

[TheChocolateWar]

I think the original video should be required viewing for anybody looking to educate someone in the danger of not approaching revolutionary action in an object oriented logical fashion.

And this action should take the form of?

 

[RedStep]

This is the direct result of what happens when you embrace your occupation. Just because you cease revolutionary action does not mean the oppressor will cease oppressive action.

You can hear the pain in his voice before he is assassinated. Talking about "always being harassed". You can tell he had been living with this for a long time, and that it finally boiled over at this point. The natural reaction to not having an outlet for the revolutionary action he desired. With such an outlet there is no doubt he would still be alive today.

I think the original video should be required viewing for anybody looking to educate someone in the danger of not approaching revolutionary action in an object oriented logical fashion.

Ugh, why are we turning into double-speaking revolutionaries again? The police obviously had no intent to kill him, and they also didn't have enough concern for his well-being. There is enough attention on the situation that it will be played out in public (hopefully well) instead of swept under the rug. Trying to turn this into an "assassination" is just ridiculous. Nobody gave enough of a shit about that guy to assassinate him, dude.

 

[Mesousa]

And this action should take the form of?

The form of only engaging through objective based action in environments favoring your side.

As you see in the original video he had the objective in "you guys always bother me and this ends today" but the environment did not favor his goals. He was on their turf, outnumbered, and only had his emotions as a weapon. They were always going to win that encounter.

Through revolutionary lens he has a plan, and an outlet, to address this grievance so it does not build itself over into an emotional outburst in a position where he is not in a favorable position.

 

[TheChocolateWar]

The form of only engaging through objective based action in environments favoring your side.

As you see in the original video he had the objective in "you guys always bother me and this ends today" but the environment did not favor how goals. He was on their turf, out unnerved, and only had his emotions as a weapon. They were always going to win that encounter.

Through revolutionary lens he has a plan, and an outlet, to address this grievance so it does not build itself over into an emotional outburst in a position where he is not in a favorable position.

Right right, jargon and lingo. I want to know specifically the form his actions should have taken to qualify as being an objective based action in an environment that supports him. What would you have had him do? It is a rather nebulous standard.

 

[Mesousa]

Ugh, why are we turning into double-speaking revolutionaries again? The police obviously had no intent to kill him, and they also didn't have enough concern for his well-being. There is enough attention on the situation that it will be played out in public (hopefully well) instead of swept under the rug. Trying to turn this into an "assassination" is just ridiculous. Nobody gave enough of a shit about that guy to assassinate him, dude.

The truth of the matter is that if you are a brown person in this nation you are in a state of revolution whether you like it or not. You either embrace it, or you keep going like it doesn't effect you until one day the officers questioning becomes too much and you fall into the biggest trap they have laid out in front of you.

Being a revolutionary does not mean you are on the subway yelling at people, but it really means having a mindset of how you approach every single situation with your oppressor. Focusing on objective based solutions to the problems you see in hopes of reaching a specific goal.

 

[Mesousa]

Right right, jargon and lingo. I want to know specifically the form his actions should have taken to qualify as being an objective based action in an environment that supports him. What would you have had him do? It is a rather nebulous standard.

Well to be fair the plan starts long before the eruption you saw on the video. In terms of we saw on video though I felt he would have been best served complying with their commands and keeping his cool. You get nothing by letting your emotions get the better of you in a position where they clearly have situational advantage.

Better handling of this situation comes through education though. If you have revolutionary brothers who reach out and give guidance to people then we get a by handle on this issue. So the next time it happens the person being harassed can tap back on guidance given to him. "Oh shit cops fucking with me again, but I got it because my bro showed me the three step plan in dealing effectively with police through logically means".

 

[TheChocolateWar]

Well to be fair the plan starts long before the eruption you saw on the video. In terms of we saw on video though I felt he would have been best served complying with their commands and keeping his cool. You get nothing by letting your emotions get the better of you in a position where they clearly have situational advantage.

Better handling of this situation comes through education though. If you have revolutionary brothers who reach out and give guidance to people then we get a by handle on this issue. So the next time it happens the person being harassed can tap back on guidance given to him. "Oh shit cops fucking with me again, but I got it because my bro showed me the three step plan in dealing effectively with police through logically means".

So you're saying that what we should do is have a bunch of get-togethers of people who dislike current policy and have a support group to have them react calmly to the government? Thats all?

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Well to be fair the plan starts long before the eruption you saw on the video. In terms of we saw on video though I felt he would have been best served complying with their commands and keeping his cool. You get nothing by letting your emotions get the better of you in a position where they clearly have situational advantage.

Better handling of this situation comes through education though. If you have revolutionary brothers who reach out and give guidance to people then we get a by handle on this issue. So the next time it happens the person being harassed can tap back on guidance given to him. "Oh shit cops fucking with me again, but I got it because my bro showed me the three step plan in dealing effectively with police through logically means".

Or maybe we could start holding people who abuse their positions of power constantly as accountable for their actions? The cop that put Eric in a choke hold had a seedy history of badgering minorities and he never got punished for it.

 

[lednerg]

It sounds stupid, but writing letters and making phone calls to your local elected officials actually does help get the ball rolling in terms of changing policy.

 

[Mesousa]

So you're saying that what we should do is have a bunch of get-togethers of people who dislike current policy and have a support group to have them react calmly to the government? Thats all?

No that is simply an educational phase which would be used to introduce revolutionary thought, and self defense tactics, to an oppressed group. That is just the tip of the iceberg to true revolutionary action, but it would have provided invaluable in the situation we saw on the video.

 

[TheChocolateWar]

No that is simply an educational phase which would be used to introduce revolutionary thought, and self defense tactics, to an oppressed group. That is just the tip of the iceberg to true revolutionary action, but it would have provided invaluable in the situation we saw on the video.

So what comes after the educational phase?

 

[Mesousa]

Or maybe we could start holding people who abuse their positions of power constantly as accountable for their actions? The cop that put Eric in a choke hold had a seedy history of badgering minorities and he never got punished for it.

The culture which created, and allowed, that officer to grow into what he is should be the true thing under attack.

Get rid of him, and another two just like him would pop up if you don't get the true issue.

 

[Mesousa]

So what comes after the educational phase?

Implementation of what was discussed during the education phase.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

The culture which created, and allowed, that officer to grow into what he is should be the true thing under attack.

Get rid of him, and another two just like him would pop up if you don't get the true issue.

The culture that is responsible for this incident and many others is the very the police institution that keeps defending and giving slaps on the wrists to their subordinates when they fuck up. If another two bad apples who think they're above human decency show up then hold them accountable for what they do too. Actual punishments need to happen if society wants to make it clear that this nonsense isn't acceptable. Right now whenever brutality cases happen, you've basically found leprechaun's gold if it ever ends in a cop losing their job, let alone facing punishment in a court of law. What kind of message do you think that sends to cops nationwide?

 

[Mesousa]

The culture that is responsible for this incident and many others is the very the police institution that keeps defending and giving slaps on the wrists to their subordinates when they fuck up. If another two bad apples who think they're above human decency show up then hold them accountable for what they do too. Actual punishments need to happen if society wants to make it clear that this nonsense isn't acceptable. Right now whenever brutality cases happen, you've basically found leprechaun's gold if it ever ends in a cop losing their job, let alone facing punishment in a court of law. What kind of message do you think that sends to cops nationwide?

The thing is, that is the purpose of the police force in modern inner cities. Get in there, be a constant ocupying presence, oppress a few to keep the rest in line, and keep the constant supply of bodies coming into the private prison system. There must be a complete overhaul of the system for lasting change to take place.

 

[TheChocolateWar]

The thing is, that is the purpose of the police force in modern inner cities. Get in there, be a constant ocupying presence, oppress a few to keep the rest in line, and keep the constant supply of bodies coming into the private prison system. There must be a complete overhaul of the system for lasting change to take place.

And what should this change be specifically? Work camps? Release on recognizance? Decriminalization?

 

[Mesousa]

And what should this change be specifically? Work camps? Release on recognizance? Decriminalization?

I think for profit prisons should not be allowed. I think the other issues would have to be solved in areas through revolutionary action and discussion between the civilian population and their elected officials.

 

[TheChocolateWar]

I think for profit prisons should not be allowed. I think the other issues would have to be solved in areas through revolutionary action and discussion between the civilian population and their elected officials.

So preach break down of the system and worry about how it should be replaced later? Seems responsible.