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Sony's response to EA Access Subscription plan

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Metfanant

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I think I'd rather have the choice myself, but its nice to see Sony give a response to at least shed light on why its Xbone exclusive...

This is a slippery slope EA is taking us down though...I like to be able to trade in my EA Sports games because its really useless to own them after 10months or so as the next one is coming out...

The 10% discount is nice..but doesn't quite make up for being stuck with a digital copy of a game every single year...
 

vypek

Member
Still doesn't work, since once again, they sell different fries. It's more like 2 different McDonald's having different rules, but again, these food analogies are horrible.

Yeah, food analogies should be dropped. I have been to two different McDonalds that have different rules.

Not sure if there is a decent analogy for this
 

Flintty

Member
I'm not surprised xbox owners are lapping this up. They are the reason we are all charged to play online now. They liked paying for things that should have been free all last gen.

Not last gen, I have been paying to play online on Xbox since 2002. It it has been worth every penny.
 
Even then $30 bucks is less then that unless he's getting the games for 10 bucks each assuming he buys the yearly subscription.

He was proposing a situation where he was paying 3 different $30 annual subscriptions to 3 different publishers. That's a total of $90 for three different year old games. Buying would likely be cheaper and you'd be owning and not renting.
 
They can't afford to pull their discounts and free games away from PS+ with this decision. If they chose to support EA Access, they could afford to give up free games/discounts on PS+ and put it all on EA Access instead. Why take away the value of PS+?

Because you have to pay for online with plus now, people unfortunately subscribe no matter what now. Don't act like there was a flow of EA free games and discounts that's now cut off. Let the players choose.
 
and if this happens you just stop supporting it. why is that so hard?
Because that's exactly what people did when Sony put online gaming behind their paywall. Oh, wait, you're telling me their subscriber base tripled?

Consumers don't care. Why would people who already pay money for a service stop paying on the addition of a once free item to their subscription. It makes no sense. Literally zero. There is in fact a bigger incentive for those previously not paying to pay as we saw with the massive increase in PS+ subscriptions.
 

Dunlop

Member
He was proposing a situation where he was paying 3 different $30 annual subscriptions to 3 different publishers. That's a total of $90 for three different year old games. Buying would likely be cheaper and you'd be owning and not renting.

Who cares? If you like a specific publishers games than this is of great value.

PS+ is just a crap shoot of what Sony feels like offering each month, it is not some a la carte service where you could just pick any EA game to make their service moot
 

pantsmith

Member
So is this just fear over competition for PSNow? Thats what it seems like.

...and LOL at PS+ subscription numbers being up. Of course they are! Especially when you lock online behind it.
 

AgentP

Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Looking at August's PS Plus offering on PS4, I wouldn't say the EA proposition is bad value at all.

Please do the math for us, show us what a great value EA has for something they have not released. I'm sure they will give away all their new $60 games for $30/year.
 

tokkun

Member
Why can't I play Halo on the Wii? Sorry, is that port-begging? But why not give players the option?

You guys talk about "options" like you don't implicitly support restrictions every day in this marketplace.

If Microsoft wanted to put out a Halo game on Wii, but Nintendo said "we rejected the offer because we think our customers wouldn't like Halo", you would praise Nintendo's decision?
 
Because you have to pay for online with plus now, people unfortunately subscribe no matter what now. Don't act like there was a flow of EA free games and discounts that's now cut off. Let the players choose.

There was only free games and discounts with PS+, yes. But now, if it came to Sony, you'd have to pay $80 a year for PS+ (that would probably have no more free EA games anymore) and EA Access (would have all the free EA games, 10% discount on only EA games and 5 days early start on others for EA games). I see this as breaking up the online services in a bad way and can lead to even worse things, especially if more get let in. Sony and PS+ wouldn't be the same anymore because of how many other things are sticking their hands into it making it what they want of it. You know, instead of the head of it all, Sony, actually having control of their own system and services.
 
Why not add up a year's worth of offerings? I mean that at least would make the comparison on a level playing field.

Because then, obviously, it wouldn't prove his point.

If Microsoft wanted to put out a Halo game on Wii, but Nintendo said "we rejected the offer because we think our customers wouldn't like Halo", you would praise Nintendo's decision?

No, because it's not the same thing. Sony isn't preventing any EA game from coming to PS4, just the service.
 

Elios83

Member
Who cares? If you like a specific publishers games than this is of great value.

PS+ is just a crap shoot of what Sony feels like offering each month, it is not some a la carte service where you could just pick any EA game to make their service moot

Wait because Ea is offering a 'choose the game you like' service? :D
They're making the choice for you within their own catalogue.
 

markom58

Neo Member
lol Sony dun goofed. Should have just shut their mouths and let people assume this was a MS money hat deal.

#NotforthePlayers #ArrogantSonyisBack!
 

D4Danger

Unconfirmed Member
Because that's exactly what people did when Sony put online gaming behind their paywall. Oh, wait, you're telling me their subscriber base tripled?

Consumers don't care. Why would people who already pay money for a service stop paying on the addition of a once free item to their subscription. It makes no sense. Literally zero. There is in fact a bigger incentive for those previously not paying to pay as we saw with the massive increase in PS+ subscriptions.

so what? if that's what people want to spend their money on let them.

If everyone stopped paying it wouldn't make it free it just wouldn't exist.
 

10k

Banned
That yearly price isn't bad. It would save me a ton of money not having to buy yearly FIFA and NHL that trade in for nothing the next year. If EA remasters the ME Trilogy I'll buy this subscription no problem! :p
 

Dunlop

Member
Why not add up a year's worth of offerings? I mean that at least would make the comparison on a level playing field.

but you have no choice in these offerings, if I get 10000 games that I will never play, what is the value?

If I like EA games then this has actual value to me, if not I don't subscribe

Wait because Ea is offering a 'choose the game you like' service? :D
They're making the choice for you within their own catalogue.

uh..yes?
 
Because then, obviously, it wouldn't prove his point.



No, because it's not the same thing. Sony isn't preventing any EA game from coming to PS4, just the service.
Its actually not a bad analogy. Sony is pretending like they are protecting consumers when they are in reality just shooting down another option. There is probably much more to it but they are pretending like they are protecting consumers.
 

panda-zebra

Member
Been thinking of reasons why Sony might be reluctant to allow this ( at least at this stage). People saying they're being anti-consumer by denying choice are, IMO, not thinking things through, merely knee-jerking. Sony aren't likely to deprive users of a service that might benefit the ecosystem as a whole, therefore we have to look for the potential for harm.

i. Firstly it obviously competes with and potentially devalues ps+ (you'd have to think EA games would be less likely to become available to plus, or potentially they could be even more outdated versions of the sports titles).

ii. End user support. For the tiny fraction of the fee Sony would receive, they'd be expected to manage the purchase and delivery as with any digital purchase, but the fact that it's not just a single transaction for a single item and rather the support of a yearly or monthly subscription service, opens the door to many more potential issues.
Sony would be the first point of call for end user support when anything went wrong (and with ea/origin on top of ps+, that might not be trivial). Reading the many threads on GAF, I'm sure Sony's CS support lines are busy enough as is regarding the various issues that are thrown up with with their own ps+ without generating more with an extra layer of potential pitfalls on top. There would no doubt be grey areas - problems where Sony think it's an EA issue, EA think it's a Sony issue. Not appetising.

iii. It's not just EA - you have to think further ahead. Other publishers are likely to expect to be able to be given the chance to offer a competing (but maybe not even necessarily that similar) service for their own titles. This would not only multiply the effects of the above concerns but, thinking it through a bit more, you'd have to factor in each publisher's competing service's rules, regulations and nuances... and you are now presenting an even more complex problem for Sony CS.

Taking this further, it's not difficult to imagine the potential for a sea of confusion customer-side when Johnny Gamer expects certain things of one service that is actually only a part of a rival service he also subscribes to. This would only compound with every new service added. All customers would go directly to Sony to air their grievances and have their minds set at ease. Those CS staff are going to spend the next few years in and out of training courses like an mcse.

iii. Having to set up an auto-renewal with a credit card held on file. Sony don't really want to go there, do they? And that Johnny Gamer guy - what if he forgets to cancel and the service auto-renews - Sony CS have to deal with enough "my dog bought COD Ghosts when it scratched its arse on my DS4 help me please!" kind of gripes as it is.


So those were some possible reasons are why I reckon Sony isn't keen to want to walk this path, there are likely many more I can't comprehend not being in a position to understand. It's more understandable why Microsoft, struggling as they appear to be to hang on to the coat tails of ps4, are more open to a roll of the dice with their comfortable bedfellows in this extending of an unprecedented relationship
;-)

The current setup with ps+ is actually the best for the consumer in my view. Sony is the platform holder - they have their store and their services. Keeping that simple and uniform for customers is key. Having ps+ with the potential for any and all publishers competing for exposure through this single subscription service is true competition between rival publishers and it keeps things dead simple for the end user. No nested bullshit.

Several "competing" publisher-exclusive services would appear to me to be be anti-competitive and funnel gamers into a more fractured and uncertain gaming-as-a-service future.

Away from Sony and on a personal level - the TOS on the EA site reads significantly differently to a few random EA spokespersons' comments I've seen quotes in this and the other thread over the past 24 hours (regarding expiration of titles and purchases made using the 10% discount). There's ambiguity there. Tweets and e-mails to gaming sites aren't good enough - the ToS needs to be edited to reassure. It's entirely reasonable to expect EA to stick to the letter of their TOS and not some quote given to gaming Website X or a tweet from some guy who might no longer even work for EA any longer. EA don't really have the gravitas to ensure faith in their future generosity or ability to play fair.

The discount thing is thrown in there as a deal clincher. At 10% it is fairly measly vs the actual retail price paid for physical copies (here in UK at least) and for it to have much benefit as a DLC discount the user would have to be a serious content-hoover, and I can't see that very niche kind of consumer being too thrifty. The time-limited game trials some 120 hours before release I can see appealing to a hardcore minority hell-bent on getting their hands on EA's latest offerings as soon as humanly possible.
 

Metfanant

Member
That yearly price isn't bad. It would save me a ton of money not having to buy yearly FIFA and NHL that trade in for nothing the next year. If EA remasters the ME Trilogy I'll buy this subscription no problem! :p

How long will we have to wait for new games to be put in the game vault though?...because as I understand new games will be 10% off...and older games will be in the vault...

This doesn't help MUCH with yearly sports titles if you want them at launch...
 

TrueGrime

Member
Please do the math for us, show us what a great value EA has for something they have not released. I'm sure they will give away all their new $60 games for $30/year.

$5 to play BF4 for a month rather than pay full price ($50) or used ($44)??
 
Please do the math for us, show us what a great value EA has for something they have not released. I'm sure they will give away all their new $60 games for $30/year.

Sigh. It was a subjective and opinionated statement to make a point. Value is subjective and in the eye of the beholder, and Sony can't make that decision on the consumer's behalf.

And your 'show us what great value EA has for something they have not released'? Well perhaps Sony should show what bad value it is, seeing as that's exactly what they've called it.
 
Been thinking of reasons why Sony might be reluctant to allow this ( at least at this stage). People saying they're being anti-consumer by denying choice are, IMO, not thinking things through, merely knee-jerking. Sony aren't likely to deprive users of a service that might benefit the ecosystem as a whole, therefore we have to look for the potential for harm.

i. Firstly it obviously competes with and potentially devalues ps+ (you'd have to think EA games would be less likely to become available to plus, or potentially they could be even more outdated versions of the sports titles).

ii. End user support. For the tiny fraction of the fee Sony would receive, they'd be expected to manage the purchase and delivery as with any digital purchase, but the fact that it's not just a single transaction for a single item and rather the support of a yearly or monthly subscription service, opens the door to many more potential issues.
Sony would be the first point of call for end user support when anything went wrong (and with ea/origin on top of ps+, that might not be trivial). Reading the many threads on GAF, I'm sure Sony's CS support lines are busy enough as is regarding the various issues that are thrown up with with their own ps+ without generating more with an extra layer of potential pitfalls on top. There would no doubt be grey areas - problems where Sony think it's an EA issue, EA think it's a Sony issue. Not appetising.

iii. It's not just EA - you have to think further ahead. Other publishers are likely to expect to be able to be given the chance to offer a competing (but maybe not even necessarily that similar) service for their own titles. This would not only multiply the effects of the above concerns but, thinking it through a bit more, you'd have to factor in each publisher's competing service's rules, regulations and nuances... and you are now presenting an even more complex problem for Sony CS.

Taking this further, it's not difficult to imagine the potential for a sea of confusion customer-side when Johnny Gamer expects certain things of one service that is actually only a part of a rival service he also subscribes to. This would only compound with every new service added. All customers would go directly to Sony to air their grievances and have their minds set at ease. Those CS staff are going to spend the next few years in and out of training courses like an mcse.

iii. Having to set up an auto-renewal with a credit card held on file. Sony don't really want to go there, do they? And that Johnny Gamer guy - what if he forgets to cancel and the service auto-renews - Sony CS have to deal with enough "my dog bought COD Ghosts when it scratched its arse on my DS4 help me please!" kind of gripes as it is.


So those were some possible reasons are why I reckon Sony isn't keen to want to walk this path, there are likely many more I can't comprehend not being in a position to understand. It's more understandable why Microsoft, struggling as they appear to be to hang on to the coat tails of ps4, are more open to a roll of the dice with their comfortable bedfellows in this extending of an unprecedented relationship
;-)

The current setup with ps+ is actually the best for the consumer in my view. Sony is the platform holder - they have their store and their services. Keeping that simple and uniform for customers is key. Having ps+ with the potential for any and all publishers competing for exposure through this single subscription service is true competition between rival publishers and it keeps things dead simple for the end user. No nested bullshit.

Several "competing" publisher-exclusive services would appear to me to be be anti-competitive and funnel gamers into a more fractured and uncertain gaming-as-a-service future.

Away from Sony and on a personal level - the TOS on the EA site reads significantly differently to a few random EA spokespersons' comments I've seen quotes in this and the other thread over the past 24 hours (regarding expiration of titles and purchases made using the 10% discount). There's ambiguity there. Tweets and e-mails to gaming sites aren't good enough - the ToS needs to be edited to reassure. It's entirely reasonable to expect EA to stick to the letter of their TOS and not some quote given to gaming Website X or a tweet from some guy who might no longer even work for EA any longer. EA don't really have the gravitas to ensure faith in their future generosity or ability to play fair.

The discount thing is thrown in there as a deal clincher. At 10% it is fairly measly vs the actual retail price paid for physical copies (here in UK at least) and for it to have much benefit as a DLC discount the user would have to be a serious content-hoover, and I can't see that very niche kind of consumer being too thrifty. The time-limited game trials some 120 hours before release I can see appealing to a hardcore minority hell-bent on getting their hands on EA's latest offerings as soon as humanly possible.

Great post. Thank you, sir.
 

DevilFox

Member
and if this happens you just stop supporting it. why is that so hard?

people are just inventing future scenarios to defend Sony's decision.

Yeah, sure. They've all been called "future (negative) scenarios" back then, none of them happened.. right? Face it, console consumers are ready to swallow EVERYTHING you throw at them if no one is there to say "wait, no, this is wrong". To me, it doesn't really matter why Sony did this, to defend their service, for money or whatever, what really matters is that they said NO.
And do people really believe this will work on PC with Steam around? I for one would laugh hard for days and I'm not even a PC hardcore gamer.
 

Mrbob

Member
I don't believe this was a choice thing. I wonder if there was some revenue sharing or something that Sony refused.

Me neither. It is possible Sony might have rolled this service into Plus but EA wanted too big of a cut.

Or Sony just doesn't want EA Access competing with Plus. As always, it is about money. If the dollars make sense it will happen on Playstation.
 

labaronx

Member
Wait because Ea is offering a 'choose the game you like' service? :D
They're making the choice for you within their own catalogue.

They omitted:
Need for speed
Plants vs zombies
Titanfall
Ufc

Plant vs zombies and Titanfall and ufc are understandable but need for speed is telling since the next one isnt launching until next year and it launched with the other vault titles
 

Fuchsdh

Member
This.
When you have a single service outside PS+ or Games With Live for 5$ is cool.

But is a giant trojan horse, what if Activision wants his piece? Ubisoft? Take Two?
At the end of the day PS+ and Games With Live lost all its value.

Ultimately Sony and Microsoft's machines are just hardware to run the games we want to play. If they lose value it's because Sony and MS ultimately don't have much power without games on their platforms.

I wouldn't subscribe for any games, but it's good to have the option and let the consumer decide. If gamers decide individual subs make more sense than PS+ or GWG that's just disruption of a business model.
 

keit4

Banned
Sony wants the monopoly of game rent services in the PS4. It's obvious.

Don't worry PS4 users, this is not going to fragment the subscription services by publishers, you will keep getting EA games. PS+ userbase is bigger than EA Access will ever be, so keeping their games out from that service would be like saying "No" to free money.
 

Jomjom

Banned
If this catches on, Sony will have to backpeddle, apologize and get these subscription plans on their console because the publishers will just start refusing to provide games for PS+. If every major publisher starts a subscription plan of their own, the only games PS+ will get will be indies and people won't be happy if PS+ stops being a mix of indie and big AAA releases.
 
Yeah, sure. They've all been called "future (negative) scenarios" back then, none of them happened.. right? Face it, console consumers are ready to swallow EVERYTHING you throw at them if no one is there to say "wait, no, this is wrong". To me, it doesn't really matter why Sony did this, to defend their service, for money or whatever, what really matters is that they said NO.
And do people really believe this will work on PC with Steam around? I for one would laugh hard for days and I'm not even a PC hardcore gamer.

I will never work with Steam around. Period. They would be laughed off PC permanently, basically. If they did this to Origin (and would require a subscription), I'd be willing to give up entirely on my Origin library.
 
Why can't I play Halo on the Wii? Sorry, is that port-begging? But why not give players the option?

You guys talk about "options" like you don't implicitly support restrictions every day in this marketplace.

Really? Microsoft doesn't want to put Halo on the Wii. EA wanted to offer this subscription service on the PS4, and Sony said no.

Big difference.
 
Its actually not a bad analogy. Sony is pretending like they are protecting consumers when they are in reality just shooting down another option. There is probably much more to it but they are pretending like they are protecting consumers.

Sony is a company that's out to get money. In this case, yea, they're using the excuse to mask the real reason but I don't really care what their reason is, it's the right choice in my eyes.
 
lol Sony dun goofed. Should have just shut their mouths and let people assume this was a MS money hat deal.

#NotforthePlayers #ArrogantSonyisBack!

Do you think EA would have kept shut? The first time someone asked why isn't this on Playstation what do you think they would have said?

also lol at hashtags.
 

FacelessSamurai

..but cry so much I wish I had some
This service seems great to be honest. At 30$ per year, if you are willing to wait, you could pretty much not ave to ever buy another EA game. I'll bite for the first year and see what happens. This seems to me like a Netflix model where they'll keep adding in games as they get a bit older. Most sales are front loaded anyway, so once the sales slow down, I'm sure they'll add in the games. BF4 isn't THAT old, so I wouldn't be surprised if NFS gets added soon, and that by this time next year I am playing Dragon Age for free.

30$ is the price of half a game per year, or less than 3$ per month, and every once in a while you get new games to play. As the service takes off and grows the value's also gonna increase imo. Or you could just wait until the game you want is added to the service, pay 5$ for a month, finish it, and then cancel. This is great value for the gamer that doesn't have a lot of money for a lot of games and is willing to wait.
 
Been thinking of reasons why Sony might be reluctant to allow this ( at least at this stage). People saying they're being anti-consumer by denying choice are, IMO, not thinking things through, merely knee-jerking. Sony aren't likely to deprive users of a service that might benefit the ecosystem as a whole, therefore we have to look for the potential for harm.

i. Firstly it obviously competes with and potentially devalues ps+ (you'd have to think EA games would be less likely to become available to plus, or potentially they could be even more outdated versions of the sports titles).

ii. End user support. For the tiny fraction of the fee Sony would receive, they'd be expected to manage the purchase and delivery as with any digital purchase, but the fact that it's not just a single transaction for a single item and rather the support of a yearly or monthly subscription service, opens the door to many more potential issues.
Sony would be the first point of call for end user support when anything went wrong (and with ea/origin on top of ps+, that might not be trivial). Reading the many threads on GAF, I'm sure Sony's CS support lines are busy enough as is regarding the various issues that are thrown up with with their own ps+ without generating more with an extra layer of potential pitfalls on top. There would no doubt be grey areas - problems where Sony think it's an EA issue, EA think it's a Sony issue. Not appetising.

iii. It's not just EA - you have to think further ahead. Other publishers are likely to expect to be able to be given the chance to offer a competing (but maybe not even necessarily that similar) service for their own titles. This would not only multiply the effects of the above concerns but, thinking it through a bit more, you'd have to factor in each publisher's competing service's rules, regulations and nuances... and you are now presenting an even more complex problem for Sony CS.

Taking this further, it's not difficult to imagine the potential for a sea of confusion customer-side when Johnny Gamer expects certain things of one service that is actually only a part of a rival service he also subscribes to. This would only compound with every new service added. All customers would go directly to Sony to air their grievances and have their minds set at ease. Those CS staff are going to spend the next few years in and out of training courses like an mcse.

iii. Having to set up an auto-renewal with a credit card held on file. Sony don't really want to go there, do they? And that Johnny Gamer guy - what if he forgets to cancel and the service auto-renews - Sony CS have to deal with enough "my dog bought COD Ghosts when it scratched its arse on my DS4 help me please!" kind of gripes as it is.


So those were some possible reasons are why I reckon Sony isn't keen to want to walk this path, there are likely many more I can't comprehend not being in a position to understand. It's more understandable why Microsoft, struggling as they appear to be to hang on to the coat tails of ps4, are more open to a roll of the dice with their comfortable bedfellows in this extending of an unprecedented relationship
;-)

The current setup with ps+ is actually the best for the consumer in my view. Sony is the platform holder - they have their store and their services. Keeping that simple and uniform for customers is key. Having ps+ with the potential for any and all publishers competing for exposure through this single subscription service is true competition between rival publishers and it keeps things dead simple for the end user. No nested bullshit.

Several "competing" publisher-exclusive services would appear to me to be be anti-competitive and funnel gamers into a more fractured and uncertain gaming-as-a-service future.

Away from Sony and on a personal level - the TOS on the EA site reads significantly differently to a few random EA spokespersons' comments I've seen quotes in this and the other thread over the past 24 hours (regarding expiration of titles and purchases made using the 10% discount). There's ambiguity there. Tweets and e-mails to gaming sites aren't good enough - the ToS needs to be edited to reassure. It's entirely reasonable to expect EA to stick to the letter of their TOS and not some quote given to gaming Website X or a tweet from some guy who might no longer even work for EA any longer. EA don't really have the gravitas to ensure faith in their future generosity or ability to play fair.

The discount thing is thrown in there as a deal clincher. At 10% it is fairly measly vs the actual retail price paid for physical copies (here in UK at least) and for it to have much benefit as a DLC discount the user would have to be a serious content-hoover, and I can't see that very niche kind of consumer being too thrifty. The time-limited game trials some 120 hours before release I can see appealing to a hardcore minority hell-bent on getting their hands on EA's latest offerings as soon as humanly possible.
You raise some really good points. I for some reason hadn't thought about the possibility of other publishers - looking right at ya, Ubisoft - to follow suit.

Sony definitely could've done without the bullshit PR though.
 

LosDaddie

Banned
Like I said in the other thread, as a ps4 owner, I would probably pay for this if it were on the console. For $30-yr, I'd most likely get my money's worth out of it. I actually do hope Sony changes their mind on this.

But I guess since it's not on Sony's console, most of GAF hates it.
 
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