I don't think you know what feminism actually is
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Polytron Hacked?
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I don't think you know what feminism actually is
Reddit and 4chan tell me Feminism is all about trying to make us all play casual games like candy crush saga and not innovative hardcore games like Call of Duty 9: Shoot more Arabs
CambriaRising
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Boy, just when you think this thread has hit it's peak.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
god i love that movie
Imru al-Qays
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I read a great paper once about how "Art is inherently political". How you can't create something without their being politics of some kind intrinsic to the thing you have created. I believe film was the focus of the essay but it was designed to apply to all art/media.
All of these idiots raging about how they don't want feminists and SJW's "injecting politics into games" - games are already political. The 99% prevalence of straight white dudebros is political. You're just being made aware of a different side of the political spectrum. You're not keeping politics out of games - in fact, your righteous indignation is just as political.
All of these idiots raging about how they don't want feminists and SJW's "injecting politics into games" - games are already political. The 99% prevalence of straight white dudebros is political. You're just being made aware of a different side of the political spectrum. You're not keeping politics out of games - in fact, your righteous indignation is just as political.
i remember making this argument once here
it didn't go over well with most of the forum
people like the status quo
I blame the internet for causing conversation to become coarse and spiteful. Which isn't to say everytime people talk offline they're nice, but there is a definitely lack of humanity when the people you're arguing against are just text boxes on a web site. It's a lot easier to call someone names when they're not a real person in front of your face.
Art Teitlebaum
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Yes. Please elaborate, Pistolero. Thesis: Feminism is not reasonable since the 70s/80s. Try to stay under 500 words.
xBladeM6x
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You're conflating two different things. The actual definition of feminism, and the SJW brand of feminism. Actual feminism will always be useful, whereas the SJW / Tumblr brand of feminism will not, and isn't. This conflation seems to be an immense commonality among people on the internet, which is unfortunate. Either way, I would argue that Humanism makes any brand of feminism obsolete, but I digress.
Because people would shift heavily from mandated public name sites to privacy valuing sites in a heart beat. I don't want some guy/gal on Neogaf to stalk me because I said a thing they don't like.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
What's your real name?
Edit: That probably backfired, I think you have it in your profile hahaha. Well you're certainly consistent.
Palette Swap
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I still can't see how it is so necessary for people to mention how much they dislike Fish when discussing the hacking.
That's a great point.
Are you not familiar with facebook?
Real names don't prevent people from acting like total dickbags.I think that we inherently are OK when "bad" things happen to people that we define as bad.
Not saying that it's right, just admitting that it happens.
El-Pistolero
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Oh I know, believe me. The mainstream feminist ideology that permeates everything today is garbage. There were thought provoking, audacious and committed feminists that fought for equality. That breed is almost extinct. The new generation is about privileges...
Speak for yourself.
Haha, that was pretty good.
And he deserves vigilante retribution because...?Imru al-Qays;126759512 said:
The guy's a loose cannon.
Palette Swap
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I agree on both accounts, which is why I was pointing it out: to put it bluntly when people write "he's an asshole but he doesn't deserve it", either they're adding an irrelevant judgement or they're insincere.
blitzcloud
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or i can thinkhe's an asshole, not buy his games and coexist in the same planet without needing his life to be shaken.
and i think most peoples definition of 'bad' is extremely loose.
BS! Are you saying that you've never felt even a little good when bad karma catches up with someone?
I'm not saying that him being doxxed is acceptable in anyway, but I will admit that I would more upset if someone like Keanu Reeves was doxxed than I would be about Rush Limbaugh being doxxed.
Very true.
Nothing comes to mind. Definitely not for anything serious.
Do you honestly think so?
They'll report it to the police, if they haven't done so already. There will be a few days of follow-up, in which they'll be unable to provide any actual useful information. The police will say they'll transfer to their cybercrimes division, and then the correspondence will stop.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Like what? What privileges do you feel feminists are unjustly asking for?
Infernal Monkey
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Candy Crush Saga 9: Match More Candy for GOTY 20XX
Imru al-Qays
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He doesn't deserve it. Doesn't mean I feel bad for him. This is like if someone hacked the Westboro Baptist Church's bank accounts and took all their money. Did they deserve it? No. Would I give a flying fuck? No.
NeoGAF
You're wrong. It can't be.
Junior Member
It is. He releases his personal info for the performance.
NeoGAF
but look at the man!
Junior Member
(points)
This is the trick. This is why no one detectes his method.
(Phil Fish strides into the convention panel room, loud and opinionated)
Junior Member (CONT'D)
Total devotion to his art...
(looks at NeoGAF)
Utter self-sacrifice. It's the only way to escape this.
(Junior Member taps the Japanese game poster on the wall behind them)
You're wrong. It can't be.
Junior Member
It is. He releases his personal info for the performance.
NeoGAF
but look at the man!
Junior Member
(points)
This is the trick. This is why no one detectes his method.
(Phil Fish strides into the convention panel room, loud and opinionated)
Junior Member (CONT'D)
Total devotion to his art...
(looks at NeoGAF)
Utter self-sacrifice. It's the only way to escape this.
(Junior Member taps the Japanese game poster on the wall behind them)
Abortions!
Why can't I get abortions? Just because I'm a MAN?!
You sexist pigs!
I'm learning so many words and acronyms that I never used before but see spread all over the place today. Doxxing, SJW, and now Misandry; I didn't even know there was a term for that until now.
blitzcloud
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Its not a term you see often.
He doesn't. That doesn't mean that he had it coming though. People can easily be offended on the Internet. Saying all the stuff he did just offended a group of people who then took it a bit too far.
Can't say that I have any sympathy for him.
First of all it doesn't exist, second of all game design isn't political. You're grasping.
They're not grasping, they're correct. Politics does not equate intentionally spreading an agenda. A person's politics influences a great deal of what they do.
This gif is pretty fucking terrible. It dismisses misandry in the same way most would dismiss misogyny. Both are issues. One being a "bigger" issue doesn't make the other any less real.
I've learned that misogyny just means doing anything that doesn't directly support feminist agenda. Make a game with white male protaganist? Misogony.
It depends on how you interpret it I guess.
For me it's not just about the word displayed. It's about the graphic. There are people who believe gender equality has already arrived and any further movement is "going too far."
It doesn't dismiss misandry. It's saying people say feminists are going too far because they want some privilege too. The person on the right gets three scoops. The person on the left gets one, and then the accusations of "going too far" start being thrown around.
Which happens often, even here on NeoGAF, though this forum is more progressive than others.
The notion that feminism is no longer needed and equality was reached in the 80's and modern feminists are going to far is pretty ridiculous.
Anyway, if you would like, we can continue discussions via private messages. This thread is about Polytron and I'm going off topic. I don't even have enough information to say Phil Fish is particularly feminist so much as he was defending an acquaintance.
Nobody has ever claimed the bolded. Nobody has ever asked for white males to be unrepresented in video games.
You're defining politics to be so generic that it means...anything people do. I shouldn't have to bust out the dictionary here. Politics specifically involves political ideologies and influencing other people.
This is the second time I've read this analogy in this thread. What do Phil Fish and the WBC have in common? Why are you comparing both situations, when they are nothing alike?Imru al-Qays;126764000 said:
You know what, don't answer. There's no way you could make a proper link between both.
Except that that has happen a shit load, lol. Plenty have people have tried to claim that it is racist to make a protaganisst white and sexist for it to be male. Chastising developers for not including different races for characters ia effectively the same as asking for less representation.
Politics on a personal level is expressed in your vocalised ideologies, but it's also expressed in your everyday actions and interactions. Anything that has a place as part of an ideological formation is political. If you choose to access and publicly release a person's sensitive information because he's an "SJW", you're making a political statement. If you're creating expressive art, especially expressive art that incorporates elements such as societal conflict that uses real-world parallels as inspiration (quite a few games), you're making a political statement.
People claim that, across the entire industry's creative output, white males are over-represented. They're right. Nobody is saying that any single game with a white male protagonist is misogynistic because it has a white male protagonist.
Did my post really make you laugh aloud?
I don't understand this sentence.
Imru al-Qays
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I think part of the problem is that people mean different things when they say that feminism is "no longer needed." People can, in good faith, have different definitions of feminism. We saw it earlier in this thread: one person said that denouncing slut-shaming was inherently feminist, another person said he didn't view it as feminist, he thought it was just common sense. Both of those sentiments advocate equality of men and women, they just come from different places.
I will say that I'm broadly sympathetic to feminist interventions in the gaming sphere. I am more ambivalent about what feminism has become in other spheres, though: both navel-gazing academic feminism and the fractious, ideologically-charged social network feminism I think a lot of people have in mind when they think of "feminism."
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