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Famitsu interview with Tabata details Final Fantasy XV's battle system and more
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You had 8 years of Lightning. Please stop.
No but he's right because you see Lightning is now eternally reincarnated in every single FF multiverse. She's like Clara Oswald being in every single Doctor Who series, except that she's not saving anybody!
Like Gilgamesh before her, rereleases of old Final Fantasy games will now feature bonus Lightning content. And there's no way we'll see a new FF release without her now!
She's -everywhere-. From the Curtain Call 3D icon to FFXIV.
DarkLordMalik
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The surprise is for long time FF fans and I doubt XIII is considered as such.
I expect more of a teaser though. A summon teaser won't be any good, although it can happen. We can also get a glimpse of some old FF characters. Cid, maybe.
I think of this surprise as a teaser for a game instead of a teaser about the game.
I expect more of a teaser though. A summon teaser won't be any good, although it can happen. We can also get a glimpse of some old FF characters. Cid, maybe.
I think of this surprise as a teaser for a game instead of a teaser about the game.
GreenMakoEyes
Member
I'm perfectly fine with changes of the battlesystem.. I don't want it to play like a KH game, I would love to play it different and as of now it sounds very interesting to me.
it is not that I don't like KH's battlesystem.. in fact I like it, but I don't want to see the same or a similar system in a FF game.
it is not that I don't like KH's battlesystem.. in fact I like it, but I don't want to see the same or a similar system in a FF game.
DarkLordMalik
Member
People need to get over the whole description of the battle and wait for the demo. I see people jumping to conclusions within minutes.
On Paper, the combat system of Arkham series sounds like crap. In actual gameplay, it is a whole lot better. There is no way to get to know the combat of a game, especially an ARPG, without having to play it, or having an experience of it (if it is a sequel).
It's never over.
Combat system will most probably do it's job and be adequate
I find it interesting that a lot of people are hyped for this game so much even after 8 years. I can't think of any other game with such a long dev cycle* maintaining it's hype for so long.
*Including the non-working time from 2006-2011
DarkLordMalik
Member
People are not really hyped for the game that was promised to them almost 8 years ago.
They are hyped at the prospect of there being a brand new mainline FF game, which won't feature Lightning and her shenanigans. In other words, we have been waiting for a good FF game for a long time now, an offline one atleast, not like XIV.
Will FF XV deliver on the hype, or will it crush our dreams altogether? We will find it out soon enough once the demo is released.
Exactly, anyone hyped for Versus is setting themselves up for disappointment.
Its a mainline FF game, of course we're hyped, even if what they're saying doesn't give confidence. Hype is nothing like Versus for me, but its still there.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Versus is essentially dead now. Any shred of hope that I had regarding it after Nomura's departure vanished once I learned about the combat system. Tabata's word also made it clear that the only link to Nomura is his vision of the game, and they are trying their best to retain most of it.
Dark_castle
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DarkLordMalik
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Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
God bless Nomura and Tabata.
Exentryk
Member
Holy shit this reads like an onion article......got damn
Tabata you look young as fuck what the fuck you talking about. Go to the gym or some shit and reevaluate what you're doing.
Exentryk
Member
RIP.
Thanks to the power of next gen, games can now play themselves.
This deserves a new thread or at least a title change "Tabata clairifies, only makes things worse"
Seriously I think this straight killed my interest in FFXV....which is a fucking shame considering it was literally my most anticipated game ever, and i say thaat without hyperbole....my god if they use this line ofthinking with Kingdom Hearts 3
Dark_castle
Junior Member
You have to fucking kidding me. You HAVE to.
mysteriousmage09
Member
We are in an age where game series like Dark Souls, which is unforgiving and doesn't hold your hand, are one of the most talked about series today. They also sell millions of units. Why the fuck Square is purposely making it casual, hand holding garbage is ridiculous. Being all proud of it makes it even worse.
For everyone that has waited for the greater good of a decade for this game, this is the biggest balls we could have received short of them cancelling it.
Fuck you Square and please go out of business so the Final Fantasy IP ends up in competent hands.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Dark dreams DO die.
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Antilurker77
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Holy fuck. The combat system sounds like a complete disaster.
Lady Bird
Matsuno's Goebbels
"I felt that I wanted to shift it more to be more realistic. For example, when you're battling a really strong boss like a behemoth, if you go at it from just the front you're going to get hit with his counter-attacks. You have to think about baiting it to attack forward, but then break its stance and attack it from the side. I wanted to make it so you're fighting a real animal, but with easy-to-manipulate controls as well as dramatic effects."
I don't know, let's see how the enemy's mechanics fit in.
Shiiiiiitttt.
I'm still gonna try and be positive about it but this precise article makes it very hard to do it.
If the demo plays like he says, this thing will backfire in their faces so hard.
I hope he realizes it in time and adds some sort of "hardcore" command scheme.
I don't get why everyone is over reacting to his quote, I am picturing a more intuitive Type 0 combat system. I'm sure there will be more to it than holding attack or dodge. You probably have to swap in whatever skill (will probably have many choices) you're using and hold the button or something...
You'd think they'd have heard our complaints about FFXII being a 'hold the analog stick forward' simulator.
You'd think they'd have heard our complaints about FFXII being a 'hold the analog stick forward' simulator.
Remember what I said about "mass hysteria over jumping to conclusions"...
TwistedFate
Member
He should probably just stop talking about the game at this point, he's really deflating the hype
Kssio_Aug
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For me it remains the same. He added nothing new. We already know about the "hold to attack and defend". So, here we go with overraction about the same thing again... Just in other words.
To me the thing is, if they cant deliver with FFXV a good experience we may get it with Kingdom Hearts at least. But we should wait further details about the combat of FFXV, theres lacking too much info to say its a lost cause! The combat wont be resumed on "hold X to attack", is like people is completely ignoring stats, a gambit-lile system, the weapon deck system, magics, warps and summons.
Also, about the auto-pilot on cars, thats not much different of fast travel and stuff.
To me the thing is, if they cant deliver with FFXV a good experience we may get it with Kingdom Hearts at least. But we should wait further details about the combat of FFXV, theres lacking too much info to say its a lost cause! The combat wont be resumed on "hold X to attack", is like people is completely ignoring stats, a gambit-lile system, the weapon deck system, magics, warps and summons.
Also, about the auto-pilot on cars, thats not much different of fast travel and stuff.
I seriously wonder where this whole "it's casual = mainstream will buy" mentality comes from. I've never ever heard a guy/girl heard talking "it's totally easy, now I'm going to pick it up". You are either into RPGs/games and you'll play it, or you're not and won't. If the game is stellar and praised, you get people to pick it up that otherwise wouldn't, but that has fucking nothing to do with it being casual... FFS, I'm seriously pissed. I want to fucking suplex each and all of the devs that turn game series into a casual mash / single-button / press A for awesome fest. I knew I would hate the thing Tabata does to the game and realize more and more that I really wanted Nomuras' Versus instead of this seemingly disaster of a game. For 8 years straight, I wouldn't have dreamed of me saying this, but I may not pick up the game if it turns out to be like FF 13 with style over substance. :/
My day is fucking ruined. I fucking hate you Square. Please die and sell out the franchise to a company that actually cares.
So people should be emotionless? Some people really care about the game and such a NEWS is just devastating. It's not like you jump to conclusion, it's a stated FACT that he wants the game to be ultra casual, 1-button-pony-trip. Sure it can still be fun and work out well enough, but it doesn't change the fact that it'll play like FF12 and FF13, in which you're more passive than active for the majority of the game. People are just worried, rightfully so.
Zoe
Member
If the game is too difficult people will quickly dump it, especially in Japan with the way their used market is. Remember, they had to add an easy mode to XIII for Japan.
i miss lord nomura
kagari....someone hold me!
Tabata scares me
fml.....
Game redeemed if it happens.
blackseedboy
Neo Member
Seriously, am I the only one who came out with this?
legacyzero
Banned
Settle down, Tabata. Remember that you have A LOT of folks who grew up with Final Fantasy, and actually CRAVE that complex depth.
XIII had ZERO complex depth.
XIII had ZERO complex depth.
The only people that need to settle down are the ones overreacting. Tabata means casual-friendly in terms of button inputs. That doesn't dictate game design depth.
NoctisVsStar
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I had a dream once.
Supermanisdead
Member
13's combat system was fun. The problem with it was pacing that led it to be really simple for a large part of the intro. Ideally this game could have expanded on that system, giving you more jobs and opening up much sooner. Something like on-the-fly character and weapon switching would be great too.
But this casual stuff Tabata is talking about is really disheartening.
But this casual stuff Tabata is talking about is really disheartening.
Every thread seems to be the same over dramatic "lol casual, lolpressxtowin, lolffisdead" stuff. So pick your poison.
You can only go so far. Automated everything doesn't make for a compelling, interactive experience. If you have to dumb down the whole game design to "holding one of two buttons", I doubt you can add a vast depth behind it, without scaring the oh-so important casual "i want to watch a movie while i play a game" crowd. FF 7 wasn't easy at all and it sold well, this whole "it's easy = mainstream will buy it" is a myth and nothing more. In fact, the main stream used to be, and still is, normal people that play games. The casual crowd is just that, another target audience. It's nothing but a farce to alter the whole game just for that small group of potential buyers. Too much streamlining and over-casualisation can actually hurt the sales, beause the majority of the time when game tries to enforce it, it severly drags the quality down. See Sim City, most mobile adaptitations and others.
Exentryk
Member
Haha yeah. It's been crazy lol. I'm over it now I think.