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PES 2015 : 1080P 60 FPS on PS4 - 720P 60 FPS on X1

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Guerrillas in the Mist

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It'll be interesting to see the gap in resolution and frame-rate on multi-plats in a few years time.

Hopefully we'll never see anything on par with Skyrim on the PS3 when it comes to specs holding back a version of a game...
 
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mrb1972

Banned
benny_a said:
I can only speculate myself what it was designed for, but if the limited eSRAM in the Xbone accelerates the adoption of Forward+ that is only going to beneficial.

Maybe FOX gets Forward+ support later in its life. What is important for that decision I think is the adoption rate of overall new generation consoles.
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Probably explains why the XB1 struggles with patched up last gen engines - who knows, guess time will tell
 
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i-Lo

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Most buyers with xbone only won't care. Sure as shit didn't stop people from owning a myriad of multi-plat titles which were sub-hd on ps3.

It very well could be that higher resolution at 60fps on Fox engine on xbone is possible, time and budget constraints notwithstanding.

mrb1972 said:
Interesting, maybe this was the kind of thing the X1 was designed for, new tech and more efficient game engines? Just Speculation of course
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Then damn the PS4 for holding efficiency back; just speculating, however.
 
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SPDIF

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WhiskerFrisker said:
I meant technically. I haven't played PES yet, I just seen some gameplay on Youtube.
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Ok, but does it do more technically? You say PES has better models, which is fair enough, but certainly not the case with every player. But I would say FIFA has better animations. FIFA includes pitch deformation (I don't think PES does), FIFA also renders fully 3D crowds (PES definitely does not). So, how does PES do more technically? Better lighting maybe? I'm curious.

I know this is turning into a PES vs FIFA debate, but it's still slightly on topic
 
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DieH@rd

Banned
AShep said:
This is a big day for a lot of Sony fans.
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This is only a big day for those who don't know differences between deferred and forward engines.

Xbox One was from day one inferior console, not only performance-wize, but also architecture-wize [let us not mention price, failed kinect, and bad DX/SDK implementation at launch]. With increase of deferred engines in this generation [UE4, Frostbite, CryEngine, FoxEngine, Luminous, GTA5 engine], Xbone will continue to struggle to place frame render data in 32MB of ESRAM. It's as simple as that. GPU is weaker, RAM architecture is little more complicated, and ESRAM is small for some use-case scenarios.

At least, Konami has balls to again showcases details about their upcoming games. We need more of that.
 
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artist

Banned
But the gap was getting smaller?

I BELIEVE IN SPENCER

Gap will always be there. Please enter Acceptance stage.
 
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klee123

Member
Interesting to see that resolution now actually matters!

Certainly wasn't that way during the PS4/X1's launch last year.
 
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CaptainTiptop

Member
TomShoe said:
Misterxmedia may be hilariously wrong, but I have to do give him some respect to his PES blog post. It looks like he put work into it.
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Holy shit they actually think the contrast being slightly different means the Xbone version is better. They also think Digital Foundry are biased towards Playstation, it's like they don't remember any 360 vs PS3 face-offs.
 
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fedexpeon

Banned
Patroclos said:
Meet MisterX
http://misterxmedia.livejournal.com
. You will find many varied arguments from this wonderful resource to back up your future points. MisterX will tell you EXACTLY what is in the box. Warning, you must have advanced knowledge of computer stuffs as this is not workingman's info.
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Geezus Christopher Robinson...Did he use a Youtube clip or something? Then 4x zoomed, used 30 FPS on the whole thing.
And lol at the end: X1 2x better than PS4, be the first to know...
LOL, what does that even mean? (I am not going to say anything about the 2x remark.)
How can I be the first to know if you and your "insiders" already knew about it?

My mind is just blown away on how much effort this guy has put into his site.
I mean it has been over a year from the E3 announcement...All those hours/days/months/YEAR wasted by creating fake information.

I hope MS will give this man a tour at Richmond or an invite to E3 for his fandom.
He deserves it for all the X1 PR.
 
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Sami+

Member
Patroclos said:
Sort of. Considering they had Kojima & Co. and tPP on their keynote stage at E3 and they developed the FOX engine. It will be one HELL of a surprise for a lot of people assuming the gap has closed when tPP comes out.
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I really wish this "gap will be closed" nonsense wasn't so widespread. My best friend at school was talking about it a few weeks ago - had to explain to him that it's physically impossible to close a gap between hardware that is objectively inferior to the better set.
 
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xenorevlis

Member
Caayn said:
Jup, PS4 is 2.25 times stronger >.>
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Maybe one day, decades from now, people will comprehend that resolution difference does not mathematically amount to exact differences in rendering requirements, but it almost seems like the trend is the opposite of this.
 
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Canis lupus

Member
SPDIF said:
Ok, but does it do more technically? You say PES has better models, which is fair enough, but certainly not the case with every player. But I would say FIFA has better animations. FIFA includes pitch deformation (I don't think PES does), FIFA also renders fully 3D crowds (PES definitely does not). So, how does PES do more technically? Better lighting maybe? I'm curious.

I know this is turning into a PES vs FIFA debate, but it's still slightly on topic
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Just played both demos. PES is the better looking and better playing game. The animation in PES is light years ahead, players look stiff in Fifa. PES has great flow, they've overhauled it last year I think.

from the pes thread

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Duxxy3

Duxxy3

Member
Think I found something

http://www.smu.edu/~/media/Site/guildhall/Documents/Theses/Heysse_Thesis.ashx?la=en

here are some disadvantages to Forward+ rendering as well. The disadvantages are inherited mainly from the depth pre-pass on the scene. Another significant disadvantage to forward+ rendering is that it requires compute shaders to function. This feature is only available in DirectX 11, and OpenGL 4.3. Both of these APIs are only available for high end PC platforms and as such, cannot be used on current generation consoles
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This is from 2012, when the next gen systems weren't even announced yet.
 
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CLEEK

Member
Linking to MisterX is always low hanging fruit, but never fails unearth new gems each time.

This is a recent post, talking about Forza Horizons 2:

Misterx: That mean Xbox One GPU is 2.6TF. The whole systems is lot higher because GPU tasks can be offloaded to special hardware MS did not ever talked about in details. That adds 2TF at minimum - making it 4-5 TF whole system at minimum...Plus console close system 2x multiplicator...BOOM...10 years cycle...+1TF per year by SDK update..+ CLOUD offloading....."AVATAR quality on Xbox One" (c) AMD sure could be possible with 5TF closed system with CLOUD..
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Man, the devs at Konami must be right chumps to only get 720p out of a 5TF system.
 
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Patroclos

Banned
fedexpeon said:
Geezus Christopher Robinson...Did he use a Youtube clip or something? Then 4x zoomed, used 30 FPS on the whole thing.
And lol at the end: X1 2x better than PS4, be the first to know...
LOL, what does that even mean? (I am not going to say anything about the 2x remark.)
How can I be the first to know if you and your "insiders" already knew about it?

My mind is just blown away on how much effort this guy has put into his site.
I mean it has been over a year from the E3 announcement...All those hours/days/months/YEAR wasted by creating fake information.

I hope MS will give this man a tour at Richmond or an invite to E3 for his fandom.
He deserves it for all the X1 PR.
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I admire him in a weird Captain Ahab or Don Quiote way. A man who believes what he believes and will not be dissuaded by the vagaries that reality presents. Sad seeming to us maybe but he obviously has found something which gives him great joy. More power to him in that regard.
 
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Guerrillas in the Mist

Member
It's interesting how the attitude towards ports has changed so much. When RE4 came out on PS2, everyone was overjoyed to be getting it, and no-one complained about how much worse it looked (and sounded). Now in the age of Digital Foundry head-to-heads, every pixel can be scrutinised...
 
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WhiskerFrisker

Member
SPDIF said:
Ok, but does it do more technically? You say PES has better models, which is fair enough, but certainly not the case with every player. But I would say FIFA has better animations. FIFA includes pitch deformation (I don't think PES does), FIFA also renders fully 3D crowds (PES definitely does not). So, how does PES do more technically? Better lighting maybe? I'm curious.

I know this is turning into a PES vs FIFA debate, but it's still slightly on topic
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The AI is more sophisticated in PES. The lighting in PES is better on player models which is partially the reason they look better in PES. I also disagree with FIFA having better animations. Fluid Animation in PES is better than FIFA.
 
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MilesTeg

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EA's next gen games are less demanding in general (sans Battlefield 4). The only game they have put out that isn't 1080p on Xbone but is on PS4 is PvZ Garden Warfare iirc. EA isn't exactly pushing the envelope right now. Though if I were a betting man I would say Dragon Age Inquisition will be superior on PS4. And given BF4 runs at a higher resolution on PS4 than Xbone, it should be expected that EA's games moving forward (minus sports - EA Ignite lol) will run better on PS4 since Frostbite will be heavily used in future titles.

One thing is for sure, devs with lower budgets won't have the time to optimize for Xbone in the future given it has a significantly smaller user base and is harder to work with.
 
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CoG

Member
Patroclos said:
I'm pretty sure he is not a native English speaker. Imagine doing what he does, for free, in a second language for a second. Mind boggling.
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I always thought the broken English was part of the troll. He's obviously trolling or severely brain damaged.
 
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Lettuce

Member
EmptySpace said:
fox engine is shite? mgs5 and pt look excellent.

and fifa doesn't look better than pes.
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May look excellent but its not well optomised

Has anyone from Konami made an official statement on this yet?.

Just seems odd that there is no Xbox 360 version on that list, i wonder if they have added XB1 but in fact its actually the Xbox 360 specs?. When i played the demo on the xb1 i defiantly didn't think it looked 720p res and nothing was brought to my attention in the resolution department!...but then i dont have the PS4 version to compare it against, i thought it look good, just a shame that Fifa's presentation and polish pisses all over PES's, now if we could combine the 2 game.....oh my!
 
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TheCloser

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SPDIF said:
Ok, but does it do more technically? You say PES has better models, which is fair enough, but certainly not the case with every player. But I would say FIFA has better animations. FIFA includes pitch deformation (I don't think PES does), FIFA also renders fully 3D crowds (PES definitely does not). So, how does PES do more technically? Better lighting maybe? I'm curious.

I know this is turning into a PES vs FIFA debate, but it's still slightly on topic
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So much wrong in one post. The crowds in pes 2015 on ps4 are fully 3d and animated as well. Fifa 15 is not a next gen looking game at all. The only thing that looks good is the grass. The game runs on a gtx 460 at 60fps+. It's not a next gen game at all. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, ea has yet to release a next gen game. Rivals, bf4, fifa, nba, nhl, etc are not next gen looking games.
 
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Uno Venova

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Guerrillas in the Mist said:
It's interesting how the attitude towards ports has changed so much. When RE4 came out on PS2, everyone was overjoyed to be getting it, and no-one complained about how much worse it looked (and sounded). Now in the age of Digital Foundry head-to-heads, every pixel can be scrutinised...
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Ignorance is bliss sometimes, because it really feels like dudes enjoy games less knowing others are playing at a resolution higher.
 
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Ishan

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mrb1972 said:
Interesting, maybe this was the kind of thing the X1 was designed for, new tech and more efficient game engines? Just Speculation of course
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its not just the xbox. so the order 1886 which is by far the best looking console game on ps4 (barring uc4) uses forward rendering thats what allows them to do other amazing stuff like 4xmsaa or whatever it is. So I dont think the xbox itself was designed with forward rendering in mind but yes it bring up a valid point of why so many engines use deferred rendering and what the differences advantages of each are. im sure if forward was so much better most games would be using it by now.
 
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stew

Member
We'll see next year if PES will still be running at 720fps, there will be answers. When people talk about lazy devs it's also because of what happened with PES in the past.

If people want to compare FIFA and PES graphically, to know if the difference can explain the difference of resolution, it would be fair to do it with screeshots of good quality, with the same settings. No just small pictures with mediocre quality.
 
LiquidMetal14

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
digoutyoursoul said:
Those posts don't take pleasure in others experiences being lesser. That is damage control those sort of posts.

"Return of the King"

I've seen your posts on here many times, there is a group of you who do this sort of crap constantly and nothing is done about it. All the crying in the DriveClub threads about passive trolling and you lot are no better at all.

If you don't care then don't reply, ignore what I have to say, simple as that.
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Let me know which part of that sounds too sensitive to you. Return of the King is an active attachment that Pro Evolution Soccer has on it. If you think or are looking too much into my particular posts and you should really look into all the other posts which really are looking for something. You can group me in that select this category as you have chosen to or you can quit being so sensitive as there are other posts stating the opposite.

Understand that the level of sensitivity one desires to carry himself with his usually depending on how sensitive he or she is to a platform with choice or a particular piece of software.

I choose to respond to post like yours because I asked you tonite only look at what you ever you think you're seeing in me in particular but to realize that I'm not as huge of a fan of the console but I am of the software so I'm always going to post favorably I work n even if it happens to be an Xbox game. Try to grasp or come to an understanding of that because everything else is just for jokes. If its opposite to you, then I cannot really account for that.

In the end that's that and the topic of this thread is a fact as of now. Where it to ever change then I would applaud or sit there and eat my food like I'm doing right now and I wouldn't lose no sleep over it so I urge you to please not lose sleep over my particular post even if some that are using the same candor are not quite as withholding and maybe are trolling.
 
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Lettuce

Member
Coulomb_Barrier said:
How can FIFA likenesses continue to be so bad?

The budget for the game is huge yet PES 2015 wipes the floor with FIFA 15 when it comes to the player likenesses and soon graphics in general too.
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But historically does PES only have like premium footballers likeness spot on but all the rest are poor where as FIFA has consistent likeness across the board for all players?
 
Duxxy3

Duxxy3

Member
mrb1972 said:
Interesting, maybe this was the kind of thing the X1 was designed for, new tech and more efficient game engines? Just Speculation of course
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If that was the case, then they fucked up - as said already, most of the third party engines use deferred rendering in their engines. I wouldn't expect third parties to change their engine because one out of five platforms (XB1, 360, PS4, PS3, PC) doesn't work well with deferred rendering.

Makes me wonder what the next gears of war game will look like, seeing as it will probably be a UE4 game.
 
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Piggus

Member
Daviii said:
Please guys. The console was obviously designed for 1080p.

What it wasn't designed for is to face PS4. Sony caught MS off-guard. Now devs need to lower the resolution if they want to go multiplat without spending tons of money into optimisations.
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Can you explain to me how a system with half the number of raster units as what AMD recommends for 1080p is "obviously designed for 1080p"?
 
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ViciousDS

Banned
Coulomb_Barrier said:
How can FIFA likenesses continue to be so bad?

The budget for the game is huge yet PES 2015 wipes the floor with FIFA 15 when it comes to the player likenesses and soon graphics in general too.
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Another thing those comparisons bring is the lighting on the player models.the shadowing in PES looks amazing.
 
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CLEEK

Member
Piggus said:
Can you explain to me how a system with half the number of raster units as what AMD recommends for 1080p is "obviously designed for 1080p"?
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And the fact the 32MB eSRAM is a limiting factor in hitting 1080p.

The One can be pushed to hit 1080p, but only if the engine is specifically designed to allow this. With multi-plats, that is commonly no the case. Fox Engine seems to not be set up to work around the hardware limitations of the One, hence the 720p/60 output.
 
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