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PES 2015 : 1080P 60 FPS on PS4 - 720P 60 FPS on X1
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Jessie.Bristol
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I didn't know if you were specifically referring to Xbox One as no platforms were mentioned. I was just clarifying.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Return of the king.
The Maverick
Member
Don't do it, please don't do itYou really want to bring Sniper Elite into this discussion?
You cannot be this obtuse. Bring me a list of games made using deferred rendering on Xbox One, and we'll see how many are 1080 60.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
720p is simply unacceptable in this day and age.
Uno Venova
Banned
Do you have the list.
krypt0nian
Banned
Yeah, deferred rendering on that ESRAM setup. Man.
So why aren't most of the big AAA games 1080p then?
Maybe you should try doing some research of your own and then using a bit of common sense. A GPU with 16 ROPs is not designed for 1080p. Simple as that. Can it do 1080p? Obviously, but at a larger cost. It was not designed with 1080p in mind though.
After the shitstorm about resolution over the last year do you really think most devs are going to make 1080p a low priority? They're more likely to make cuts elsewhere (see Tomb Raider). With that said, most of the big AAA third party games are not 1080p.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
The gap is increasing.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I don't get posters like you at all. Grown men aswell
Isn't that illegal, though (inside of the spoiler tag)?
Especially when most of their titles sell more on Playstation consoles. Why should Japanese 3rd party publishers/developers like Konami & Square-Enix bother putting more time, money, & effort trying to get Xbox versions of games up to snuff with Playstation versions of games when most of their titles don't sell well on Xbox consoles?
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Regardless, this game is going to look pretty impressive on PS4.
Fox Engine I think is finally going to allow Konami to catch up with FIFA. I can feel it!
Fox Engine I think is finally going to allow Konami to catch up with FIFA. I can feel it!
21 1080p
22 sub 1080p
This was a quick count. Saying most games are 1080p is either not true or cutting it a bit close.
IGN's list is missing a good number of games. Seems to be the only list of its nature on any major site though.
But yeah -- majority of games on both consoles are 1080p. I believe the Xbox One is at around 75% while the PS4 is at 95% (1080p games in library).
Anyway, how does PES compare to FIFA in terms of gameplay? Just got back into soccer games (FIFA) but I would check out a demo of PES just to see how it is.
Uno Venova
Banned
The advantage on that list goes to sub-1080p games, it's close though.
Woodchipper
Member
Wow, I knew the PS4 was slightly more powerful, but that is outrageous! Aside from the insane image tearing, check out the rear wheel on the truck, you can't even tell that its spinning on XBOne!You really want to bring Sniper Elite into this discussion?
The Xbox One has more than 43 games (I believe it's close to 75 now). Most games on the system are 1080p.
SEGAvangelist
Member
It's a bad list. I think Steverulez or Bgamer90 might have one together somewhere.
I don't. Must be steverulez you are referring to.
bigboss370
Member
how accurate is this?:
how accurate is this?:
Holy shit. Most of them do not even look like the same person.
EDIT: And Pagan Min plays soccer!
Sickboy007
Member
Faces look much better, the rest is a matter of preference. FIFA still has the upper hand on the presentation stuff.
SolidSnakex
Member
The main thing that stands out there isn't evne the models, it's the lighting difference. FIFA's lighting is flat is basically every shot.
They don't think its worth optimizing for the ESRAM in XBox one when the results are not promising with a deferred renderer. They probably figured it wasn't possible to start and didn't try.. I don't blame em if your primary audience is not even buying on that console. The graphics will still be the same i'm sure...you can tell PS4 was lead platform like Metal Gear GZ and Phantom Pain
BTW, PES is supposedly more demanding than FIFA.
BTW, PES is supposedly more demanding than FIFA.
Business
Member
looks pretty impressive to me.
Downloaded the demo thanks to this thread and Neymar's face doesn't look nearly as good as this, at least on PS4. Still looks much better than the oiled plastic doll from FIFA 15 though. The game in general seemed much more solid than FIFA too, which for the record I think it's total garbage.
Leyasu
Banned
The xbone!!! All for kinect, which is pretty much history.
Microsoft only have themselves to blame
MisterMrMister
Member
Its obvious PES looks better, but am I the only that sees that they fucked up the lighting in the FIFA15 screens? It doesn't look that bad in-game.
Mr.Marston
Member
FIFA has better presentation (menus, music, licenses etc.)
PES is better where it counts. The gameplay.
PES is better where it counts. The gameplay.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
What does one have to do with the other?
Yikes. Not a good way to prove a point. That list is actually pretty depressing. I give MS kudos for getting their people to help on Destiny and Diablo, those were obvious targets for them. I think where the issue will sting MS is on "sleeper" games and now, it's looking like FOX engine games.
By "sleeper" games I mean ones like SoM, it's looking to be a GoTY contender. Few anticipated that. Indications point to lesser performance on XB1. How could they know to help in the optimization on that one?
As far as FOX engine games go, well, PES won't raise a shitstorm but tPP definitley will. It's a tough place to be in for MS, but one of their own devising. I have come to terms with the fact that my XB1 is a Halo/exclusives machine this gen. My hope is that it will generate some good exclusive content when MS is forced to look for inspiration internally, which they seem to be starting.
RandyBobandy
Banned
how accurate is this?:
Ronaldo - FIFA
Bale - FIFA
Ribery - Tie
Benzema - PES
Neymar - PES (Though Neymar does not look that bad in FIFA)
Messi - PES (Same as Neymar)
Suarez - PES
Tevez - Tie
Pogba - PES
Robben - PES (Same as Neymar)
Imo
WhiskerFrisker
Member
Reminds me of NBA 2K14 vs NBA Live 14. EA had the better presentation and menus but 2K14 gameplay blew live out of the water. It's like that with EA sports games in general.
how accurate is this?:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BypXvdECUAELCqP.jpg:large[img][/QUOTE]
Close ups in PES look better, but in actual play the game is still behind FIFA.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
FIFA gets no points over PES. The skin shaders are horrendous.
So we can take from this that the Fox Engine is a pile of shite then!!??
when you consider that Fifa is 1080p/60 and looks graphically better than this?....and thats not even a new engine EA are using.
Konami should be ashamed of themselves....either that or there a bunch of lazy work shy shysters
when you consider that Fifa is 1080p/60 and looks graphically better than this?....and thats not even a new engine EA are using.
Konami should be ashamed of themselves....either that or there a bunch of lazy work shy shysters
It should be pretty clear by now that the XBOne was designed to make great looking next generation games at 720p. MS expected Kinect to win hearts and minds like the Wii did before it and bet on black crush (boosted contrast) + sharpening to make the difference from 1080p negligible to the average person who sits much too far away from their TV than they should. They also trusted that their obfuscation and rhetoric would influence a rather clueless media industry.
They did not bet on savvy forum posters pointing out the machine's obvious GPU deficit in terms of ROPs, sharers and memory bandwidth and really taking the lead on educating the media and the masses.
Now that they're in a technological panic mode, they're scrambling engineers out to squeeze every last drop out of the machine, attempting to achieve parity wins on high profile cross gen games or non demanding titles with the likes of their mates at EA and continuing to obfuscate with DX12 - a low level API which will greatly enhance PC titles but that the One effectively had from the start.
Konami and their internally developed engine is not yet on Microsoft's radar.
They did not bet on savvy forum posters pointing out the machine's obvious GPU deficit in terms of ROPs, sharers and memory bandwidth and really taking the lead on educating the media and the masses.
Now that they're in a technological panic mode, they're scrambling engineers out to squeeze every last drop out of the machine, attempting to achieve parity wins on high profile cross gen games or non demanding titles with the likes of their mates at EA and continuing to obfuscate with DX12 - a low level API which will greatly enhance PC titles but that the One effectively had from the start.
Konami and their internally developed engine is not yet on Microsoft's radar.
BruiserBear
Banned
Oh, so now we're just talking about deferred rendering games. Got it.
I know the specs man. I'm well aware of the differences, and I'm happy with the PS4 providing 1080p for nearly every game. I'm just saying if we're gonna have technical discussions, let's do so in a mature way, based on facts.
Saying the XB1 is not designed for 1080p is simply not accurate. It may not be able to pull it off as easily as the PS4, but we've already got a pile of evidence that suggests it's been designed to provide native 1080p games.
bigboss370
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justsomeguy
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Maybe you should do research too? Over on the beyond3d site, one of the trials fusion devs on the core gfx engine (lead guy?) talks about how ROPS are only really relevant for older / cross gen engines, and it's bandwidth & compute shaders (or something like that) which are going to be the key thing on new gen engines... I think he said rops retain relevance for a few scenarios but its all about the compute & bw.
I'm not trying to make a more broad point about xbox vs. Ps4 here, just picking up on the specific points about a) rops and b) people who should do more reseach before posting ;-)
GazzaScotland
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I always find the face comparisons in football games weird for all you ever see of them in game. Saying that, I'll always take control of the camera once or twice when I first get it to look at the faces.
And then you have siggraph talks about how important ROPs are and how the vast majority of GPUs do not provide enough ROPs and Nvidia and AMD should incresae that before doing more of other stuff.
It's not like there is some clear consensus and the guy you quoted is spreading misinformation. This is variable across engines and the make-up of individual games.
Trials Fusion came in hot with 800p and patched to be 900p on Xbone, I'm pretty sure he would also say that memory size is relevant.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Based on the demo PES is infinitely better imo, there are some good discussions ongoing in this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=869186&highlight=
justsomeguy
Member
Have you got links? Genuinely interested in this stuff and want to make sure I'm not going off half complete info...
Ofc memory size etc is relevant, as I said in the first post I'm not trying to make a broader point here.