One does not always need to exclude the other, though.
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Digital Foundry vs DriveClub
- Thread starter mocoworm
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One does not always need to exclude the other, though.
With the super short load times - even for different locations, I bet the engine could actually handle an open world streaming model, its just that wasn't the direction Evo wanted to go. plus it would have taken a lot more effort in terms of asset creation
Hopefully Evo will consider the many complaints about the off track penalties and tweak those - the roadside objects already create enough of a penalty if you hit them.
I do wish websites wouldn't call things behind the times for not being open world though.
Hopefully Evo will consider the many complaints about the off track penalties and tweak those - the roadside objects already create enough of a penalty if you hit them.
I do wish websites wouldn't call things behind the times for not being open world though.
Acquiescence
Member
I enjoy racing in my racing games.
I also enjoy the sense of progression to be had in unlocking new events and stages and environments, and seeing new sights as I play through the campaign. What I don't enjoy is the repetition that comes with seeing everything a racing game has to offer within the first couple of hours, or how races become an exercise in navigation as opposed to racing, or how open world games throw in arbitrary collectibles that offer nothing other than to pad things out content wise.
This line of thinking that a linear race track structure is becoming old-fashioned is just insane to me.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Yeah Burnout 3 was superior to Paradise. It was streamlined and i didn't have to drive around to find the next event.
Caayn
Member
Relax, I agreed with the sentiment that not every game should be open world. What more do you want from me?
John Bender
Banned
A hug! :/
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
That's exactly why he can say the game isn't very good.
I haven't had a chance to play it, so I have no input on whether it is or not.
Windom Earle
Member
I am really unhappy with the IQ overall. Not only is it jaggy, but also blurry. The worst of both worlds. If you can't get rid of all the aliasing, at least make it crisp. Use SMAA! FXAA should really be a thing of the past. Game would look so much better.
Not enough bandwidth left, apparently.
Acquiescence
Member
It didn't have an open-world that totally fucked up Crash mode either.
Burnout 3 was the absolute best.
So this time it is actually because of a hardware bottleneck? Not because of some coding issue?
I am speaking in general terms as well, of course games are subjective to each person, I just meant from the issues I read about AI stuck on driving line regardless of your position, and the cornering issues, these sort of issues should surely not of made it through QA for a game delayed for a year. but there does not seem to a single criticism about how it looks..
to me I would much rather they get the gameplay right, then worry about how it looks
IAmRandom31
Banned
Article is pretty funny because you'll have people randomly pop into the OT talking about how horrible the game looks lol
nkarafo
Member
It kinda does. Most of the time, an open world means sacrifices in frame rates, which are very important in arcade racers. Can you imagine F-Zero GX being open world @ 30fps? The only 60fps open world racing game i know of is Burnout Paradise. But Forza had to do this sacrifice. Its not worth it IMO.
Open world is more useful when you explore and racing games aren't exploration games if you can't get out of the car.
I am surprised DF gave the AA and IQ so much praise, I agree with you.
derExperte
Member
Not only pop-ins, I noticed a few instances where shadows on the road suddenly disappeared only to return half a second later or changed their resolution erratically directly in front of me. The LOD system could use more finetuning in general, most issues I saw should be fixable.
Also bad anisotropic filtering shouldn't happen in a racer imo, I'd sacrifice something else instead.
Miles Quaritch
Member
You mean 4 aka Revenge. Takedown was pretty damn great too though.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Why can't racing games be on a fixed track and not be hampered in reviews because it's not open world? I don't get it, it's a design choice.
So you haven't played it then?
TheSpoiler
Member
I haven't heard about the AI being stuck, and the penalties are minor IIRC (like, you have to hit someone hard to getting the ramming one, and the curb one is for just being in the grass, which is some shit you shouldn't do anyway). If the one latter ends up being shitty, then that sucks, but games have spent far more time in the oven and gotten away with much, much worse.
Also, you might wanna read through a Driveclub topic sometime. A few people think there's a lack of AA.
Nope, I watched that gamebomb video
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
I doubt. All he's done the last day is tell us how rubbish it is.
legit shook
Seems likely to me.
I don't know which other instance you want me to compare, there are like 50 games on the system where AF can be used.
oh here we go, how DARE someone question driveclub
Just for your info buddy, these are other peoples opinion on the game, not mine, so your argument is null and void!
and just FYI just go in the destiny thread and see how PSN is ruining peoples enjoyment of the game
if you are going to quote have the balls to put it into context
Miles Quaritch
Member
In this instance, I suspect Horizon 2 set the bar and expectations pretty high.
Had DC come out before Horizon 2, I feel reviews might heave generally been better with less emphasis on the lack of porn world.
Sucks that a circuit/track racer just can't be one any more.
So you decided to only look at the absolute lowest of all reviews and take that as gospel?
Instead of the majority of reviews which are 8's and 7's which all seems to have reviewed the game for what it is, not for what it isn't. That Giantbomb review is trash.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
But what does that have to do with Driveclub? I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
Gran Turismo World will have 100 x 100 sq mile open world environments for its Course Maker, so it'll have the best of both worlds.
The King will return to his throne.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
The only thing I can think of is DC is too linear, maybe the tracks aren't wide enough and how the game penalizes you. Burnout games had different paths didn't they, same with Need For Speed?
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
calm down eh
I am not saying the game is shit, EG said when you corner, The Anti-Fun police arrive
Gamebomb said the AI is stuck and knocks you out of the way
if you are saying they are lying then fine, but take it up with them, not me
i would insta buy an open world fighting game, HOLY SHIT!! i'm serious.
he quoted my MS quote without giving it context after 5 pages of people complaining about PSN being shit for the last month, but he decided not to tell people that
trying to make me look a turd
MoGamesXNA
Unconfirmed Member
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i find the complaints raised against this game being "behind the times" because you can't randomly drive through a field quite rediculous tbh. is it a different approach? yes? is it for some reason "archaic"? no! if it works for 99% of real world motorsports i fail to see why a game should be penalised for doing the same?
this "following trends" approach to game development and critical reception is the reason everything feels the bloody same. i dont want all racers to be open world, same reason i dont want all action games to be open world...why? becasue i like a bit variety, even if it is small.
this "following trends" approach to game development and critical reception is the reason everything feels the bloody same. i dont want all racers to be open world, same reason i dont want all action games to be open world...why? becasue i like a bit variety, even if it is small.
Frankly speaking you don't need to watch or read any review to see the AI is rubbish. Rubberband and a total lack of awareness of the player coupled with a God line they follow no matter what. Some people say it's challenging. Well, yeah, bad controls in a game are challenging as well, they are still bad.
People need to learn to enjoy what they enjoy and accept that what they enjoy is not always the best thing or sometimes even good.
People need to learn to enjoy what they enjoy and accept that what they enjoy is not always the best thing or sometimes even good.
Windom Earle
Member
Can we please leave this annoying open world discussion to other threads?
What is this, bizarro world?
Yeah it's a shame, the dynamic lighting looks so great sometimes. I am also not very impressed with the car models, but that might be caused by the IQ issues.
What is this, bizarro world?
Yeah it's a shame, the dynamic lighting looks so great sometimes. I am also not very impressed with the car models, but that might be caused by the IQ issues.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Burnout Paradise, Forza Horizon 1/2
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Hoping the PS+ version is out soonish tho. I really want to try this game as it looks gorgeous.
nkarafo
Member
Couldn't Smash Bros count as one?
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
I was answering a question as to whether you'd played it or not, I found a quote that said 'that's why I went with xbox one' which was enough to tell me your ragging on the game via GB (as you were previously) and that you hadn't played the game.
The context was right there, you just decided to lose it (hint: it wasn't the part about PSN and Destiny)
Forza Horizon 2 is the one that's on the minds now. Games journalists apparently have the memories of fucking peas, and so their only frame of reference is a racing game that released within the past month.
That's the only explanation for this rampant, coordinated batch of high octane fucking stupidity coming out of these sites regarding DriveClub and open world racers.
And they're also so fucking devoid of the ability to rub two brain cells together that they're also incapable of recognizing there is nothing inherently new or next-gen about open world games. This shit is genuinely infuriating at this point.
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
GTA V - that's the best one currently available.
derExperte
Member
NfS Most Wanted old and new, Hot Pursuit and Rivals. The Crew (not yet but many played the beta), Fuel, Motocross Madness.