Red Chocobo
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Digital Foundry vs DriveClub
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DF taking shots at EG. Oooooooooooh~
I wouldn't say FH is the only one. Several of the previously closed course arcade style racers have gone open world such as Need for Speed and Burnout(rest its soul). Regardless, that certainly is a dumb thing to want from every arcade racer from here on out.
So all you're doing is repeating what other people have said, rather than offering your own opinion?
What are you, a parrot? A mynah bird? Some kind of opinion chameleon?
Have an idea of your own or don't bother.
I was answering a question as to whether you'd played it or not, I found a quote that said 'that's why I went with xbox one' which was enough to tell me your ragging on the game via GB (as you were previously) and that you hadn't played the game.
The context was right there, you just decided to lose it (hint: it wasn't the part about PSN and Destiny)
not once did I rage on the game
it was said the game looked great, but gameplay is not (backed up by many review sites, but disputed by others)
all I said was I wish games concentrated more on gameplay, less on graphics...
that is it, simple as that
Mikey Jr.
Member
Yeah, game reviewers seem kinda divided. Giant Bomb gave it a 2/5, but gametrailers gave it a 8.6.
Guess its one of those things you have to play.
biglittleps
Member
But this is not the place to post those comments which will distract the topic to another one like review thread.
These motherfuckers don't remember that shit. They keep using open world as a reference for feeling "new" or "next gen" enough, and Burnout and Need for Speed had that sort of shit prior to this generation. And open world racers have been around forever.
These guys can only recall Forza Horizon 2, because it's the only explanation for their inability to piece together even the most basic comprehension about what has gone on in this genre for fucking thirty years.
Telling reviewers how they have to think is beyond stupid.
So you've never played Mario 64, I'm guessing?
No, it doesn't. Not to mention that many open world games feature a form of fast travel.
Some people genuinely do enjoy the act of driving around, as much as that may surprise you. There's a reason that open world driving games are becoming more popular. People actually do like this part of it.
I've always wanted an open-world sim racer, actually. I think Forza Horizon was based on the pleas of Forza Motorsport fans for an 'open world' Forza game(or a freeroam map within Forza Motorsport), except they messed up and dumbed down the physics. Many people enjoy it still, obviously, but its not quite what I was hoping for.
But anyways, like I mentioned earlier, people will treat sim racers and arcade racers with different expectations. Closed-track racing in sims is exactly what is expected.
I did, you just chose not to quote that one
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
That argument is more valid. Fair enough.
biglittleps
Member
Developers goal was immersive game which is possible only when everything are great especially graphics otherwise it won't be immersive other than just fun racer breaking the immersion which they can get from Graphics like they are driving in those real worlds.
Haven't followed Forza since I had my 360. Open world meaning a large sandbox to drive around in like NFS Most Wanted et al? *Shrug*
Amir0x; Someone should give you a medal or hire you at Sony.
The voice of reason in an otherwise salty world apparently.I meant same genre.
Ahhh yes. That seems odd given the context of the game since it is about A to Z tracks based on how it is region based. Really seems odd that it would count against them for developing something that looks insanely good and looks like a ton of fun to play.
Outside of transitioning between road trips, Horizon doesn't really force you to drive everywhere either. You can just fast travel to where you need to be. It's not inherently a problem to open-world game, only a possible design choice.
You could make and open-world racer set in Ridge City, and still have the core game be essentially unchanged if you wanted.
Daytona USA actually... but I get your point.
I do think referring to closed circuit arcade racers can be called old-fashioned though. I don't believe it's necessarily a negative, but once trends move away from a given style and few games continue to adhere to it, I would say "old-fashioned" is a correct description. For example, I'd say Street Fighter 4, and Killer Instinct 2013 are old-fashioned in terms of their single player content, when compared to the stuff Netherrealm and ArcSys are doing. That doesn't prevent me preferring the former two though.
You can definitely explore even when forced to remain in the car. The car is simply your player avatar in the game.. it makes little difference if that is swapped with a slower human character. Most of the same buildings would still remain inaccessible.
Not that this discussion matters a whole lot when we're talking about a 30fps circuit racer. It's running in a similar fashion to FH2, so framerate isn't really an argument against open-world racers here.
What was the most recent closed course arcade racer? Ridge Racer? I don't play a lot of racing games so I honestly don't know. Just trying to see where the game space is. Much like for a while people didn't give a shit about arena shooters and probably scored games poorly if that was all they were. They seem to be making a comeback though.
I read it more like "yeah, we know reviewers are saying open world is more next gen but we like this regardless"
Along those lines
Red Chocobo
Banned
Pfft. Outrun 2.
Jimmy Rustle
Banned
Low anisotropic filtering is expected, but FXAA? Why? I'd preffer no anti-aliasing than FXAA. Has this game been nothing but bad news lately?
how is the immersion in 3rd person, I can not remember where I read it but someone said bumper or cockpit view is excellent, but behind the car feels off
Nah, Outrun 2 is just the best there's been since.
nelsonroyale
Member
It is very strange. I was running 16AF on my laptop on Witcher 2, and that laptop was using a GTX485. Roughly half the power of the Xbone...
What, this:
Repeating received opinion isn't having an idea or an opinion of your own.
You haven't played the game, so all you're doing is telling us what someone else thinks. Well done.
Also - it's 'would have' or 'would've', not 'would of'.
If you play this game you will understand it delivers a very, very good gameplay.
Don't let the shepherd guide you !
Ps we are really off topic.
Funny, cuz all these defensive reactions like his are the ones I tend to see as 'salty'.Amir0x; Someone should give you a medal or hire you at Sony.
Review, Carmageddon (1997):
It's fair to say that as a racing game, Carmageddon is breaking all sorts of new ground. Featuring the ability to run over pedestrians while you race around an expansive open world, other corridor racers feel positively stale compared to the in-your-face next-gen freedom of such a progressive racing game. Other racing games will forever after feel inherently inferior and, as a rule, will always be marked down for not meeting my own pathetic standards for what I feel is acceptable within the genre. If you do not include these items on the checklist, please don't even bother sending a game to me to review.
Can you fault a goat simulator for being "too open world" ? Serious question; I feel like Digital Foundry should investigate that next. To your point though, a driving game like Driveclub is what it is and quite frankly, it is a big step forward in game design and experience.
Heh, funny. I actually kind of liked that game back then but it was always a terrible racing game.
Yes, there are.
The Open world Messiah also has AF issues btw.
I've explained my positions in such extensive detail in the various DC topics at this point that it's frankly no surprise that you're coming to the defense of these half-assed pathetic journalistic standards. Much like the reviews , previews and technical overviews that are getting this scorn, you lack the ability to critically analyze anything at length.
I'm going to admit that I've yet to play Driveclub (stuck waiting until the 10th), but could you detail what you think makes this the case? Because I'm struggling to see it personally.
Always-honest
Banned
Well they seem to get the idea behind the game a bit better than a lot of other reviews.
I'm kinda puzzled about the AA solutions. Isn't there a better way? I can live with the minimal jaggies, but i would rather see them even less aparent and i thought it could be possible in this game.. The game looks super-stunning and very realistic because of the excellent lighting. In these cases of brilliantly detailed cars jaggies become extra unimmersive. That's a shame.
I'm kinda puzzled about the AA solutions. Isn't there a better way? I can live with the minimal jaggies, but i would rather see them even less aparent and i thought it could be possible in this game.. The game looks super-stunning and very realistic because of the excellent lighting. In these cases of brilliantly detailed cars jaggies become extra unimmersive. That's a shame.
I wonder if this be brought up when Project Cars releases lol.
IAmRandom31
Banned
Can't wait to see what Evolution can do with this engine next. Lord.
This was just there first go with the PS4. Same with all of WWS so far. Been killing it.
2nd generation of engines will be even more polished and great looking. Going to be insane to see what these guys can come up with 2-3 years from now.
I can almost guarantee it will not.
This was just there first go with the PS4. Same with all of WWS so far. Been killing it.
2nd generation of engines will be even more polished and great looking. Going to be insane to see what these guys can come up with 2-3 years from now.
I can almost guarantee it will not.
Well, they say "may seem", and I think their quick comment about how DC should be viewed for what it is is a very good one.
But yes, the whole "next gen is all about dat open world racing mang" is really stupid, especially since the genre has been around for ages.
biglittleps
Member
Its not off, was doing just like how we see them in real life which was explained by the director with a picture here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132567083&postcount=882
Check out Sleeping Dogs. Amaze HK cinema vibe. Hand to hand and John Woo style set-pieces.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
I don't see it.
er yes it is, road racing as that happens in 4 and 2 wheeled environments.
Must admit the article has too much "gameplay" comments for a technical article.
This open-word or bust scenario is getting really old! is != to better game.
SoM for example had such a diverse map size and side missions I got confused which where story or side missions from time to time, nothing wrong with a game having a strong story or limited aspect if that is its aim.
thelastword
Banned
The game is still work in progress though. I think as it is now, it looks great. It's definitely the most detailed racer out there with the best vistas. I'm thinking, that Evo might have held off on implementing a more effective AA solution or perhaps the final pass of AA due to the weather patch incoming. It's obvious that adding dynamic weather and it's effects will put an additional load on the graphical pipeline, maybe they have tested it and decided to stay their hand a bit. in essence,why go for uber anti-aliasing if it's going to make your game drop frames when the dynamic weather patch drops. Just my 2 cents.
Huh? A DF thread without technical discussion? Well, they mention pop-ins which were clearly visible in videos posted but the game is a rock solid 30 fps which is amazing going by the detail. Still they spotted some "tricks" by devs to free up GPU time but overall a truly next-gen racing game.
It's insane really, it really seems that reviewers these days review products on what they don't have and not the product itself. But ah well anything for the clicks.
Gawd damn shots fired. But you're on point.
John Bender
Banned
Wrong! Putting personal likings like this in a review is stupid. It's like the Football Manager review by IGN years ago. Giving the game a lower score because you don't like the genre is beyond stupid.
What's next?
Bad Street Fighter review because it doesn't have Fatalities?
Bad Super Mario review because it doesn't have a level creator like LittleBigPlanet?
It makes zero sense.
''Here's a car, a closed track and your friend(s), go race, within seconds after clicking ''race'' in the menu''
For me that is a breath of fresh air inbetween all the racinggames that make you customize everything, buy better parts, and/or have an open world.
When you put it like that though, then you're basically claiming that Ridge Racer and Daytona USA are trying to replicate real-world racing though.... which they're quite obviously not.
FeiRR
Banned
Next year FIFA goes open world and between the matches you have to spend hours in the airports, getting through security and waiting for connecting flights. This will be awesome.
I have bad news for you. I worked in gaming press in the 1990s and it was already a common practice. I still feel ashamed because I wrote a review of Command & Conquer based on just a few levels. It was published alright.