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Naruto Manga Thread (OT) - The End is here

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Also I can totally understand not trusting anyone with a Sharingan! Imagine your a ninja that worked for years to come up with and master a new ninjutsu. Then some asshole sees you do it once and copies it.

Fucking Uchiha's ruin everything.

I'd be down with Danzo if I was in the Naruto. Filthy Uchiha stealing spells and even physical aptitude with their magic eyes
 

Frog-fu

Banned
Yeah no, Naruto's infatuation with Sakura was just like Sakura's infatuation with Sasuke when they were young. However Naruto quickly learnt that Sasuke was the one Sakura had in her heart. Things get more iffy in Part 2 until Kishi explicitly showed it. Naruto most likely realises it in the fake confession scene.

This is absurd and you know it. Naruto was hurting for Sakura's happiness. She was hurting because she wasn't happy. He kept it all inside and hid it from her. When she found out, she was overcome with guilt and went to extremes to make up for it. The manga flat out tells us Naruto's love for her was stronger and more selfless than her love for Sasuke ever war.

Oh yes lets conveniently miss out the other panels in this scene lol
Sasuke says "not even you can take that away from em Sakura" in the first scene, clearly showing how she is closer to him and in the other scene Sasuke is jealous of Naruto. There's no ill towards Sakura in that scene, but since Naruto was the one to save Sakura, her being there only reminded him of his weakness. Once again you are deliberately missing panels to arrive to a twisted location far from the truth trying to be told.

You've tried to rationalise, justify and excuse Sasuke's actions every which way to Sunday but this takes the cake.

Nobody should give a shit whether he had ill will towards her or not. That doesn't excuse him being shithead to someone that's only trying to look out for him.

Now your just pulling stuff out form your ass lol. If Naruto could forgive Sasuke, its very obvious that so could Sakura and really Kakashi and Sakura did not forgive Sasuke because Naruto did....no they had faith that the Sasuke in Part 2 was not the real Sasuke they knew and seeing the Sasuke in 699 was evidence enough.

And you continue to miss the point. Naruto did not come out of the same place of understanding as Sakura and Kakashi did. His bond with Sasuke transcended that of others. Naruto forgiving Sasuke did not compromise his character.

Sakura forgiving Sasuke in the way she did, and what followed after that, absolutely did.

Don't give me this shit about Part II Sasuke being the real Sasuke. Yes it fucking was.

Sakura's development owes a lot to Sasuke's actions. She learn't to be nicer to Naruto and pain of loneliness due to Sasuke's words to her and Sasuke leaving. She partly wanted to be stronger to help Naruto in bringing back Sasuke.

And it was all thrown away the second Sasuke came back, or as you would put it, when he "became the old Sasuke again" - do you not realise you are essentially proving my point that Sasuke compromises Sakura?

Oh wow your still whining about the apology scene even after I've explained it to you......yeah you're beyond help.

Explain it? There was nothing to explain. Sasuke did horrible he shit. He said he was sorry. Boom. Forgiven.

Hail that as greater writing than it is if you want to much. I doubt you'll convince many people to agree with you.

This is a waste of time. There is no point arguing with you, when you are clearly not even reading whats been said. I've finally understood why you are in such delusion about the characters now though. It seems like you have selective reading, only seeing the things you want to see and ignoring everything else. Even when scenes are shown to be important you straight up refuse to believe they are just because they go against your pairing.

You can either accept reality or live in your make believe fantasy world where Naruto and Sakura are together. I honestly don't care. Whatever makes you feel better.

I will continue to follow the actual manga canon and anime series like the rest of the fan base. Just don't try and act like those fan fictions were ever canon though :)

That's the first thing you've said that wasn't flat out ridiculous. Yes, this is a waste of time because you are so entrenched in your own cognitive dissonance that you will resort to the most twisted and warped logic to justify terrible writing because it suits you.

I'm half convinced you've been trolling and just wasting my time because I want to give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't actually believe some of the vapid arguments you've come up with.
 

Yado

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At the start of part 2 Kishi was asked if he was like Oda and already knew how his manga would end. He said yes and that he already had the last chapter drawn.

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SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Frog-fu is like the Uchiha. He's representative of a ship with a powerful following and substantial arguments, but in the end he lost, and from his perception he was wronged and has to live with it.

Psycho Mantis is the Senju. He also had a powerful argument, but he won in the end and now has the predominant foothold in Naruto fandom. He stays trying to convert Frog to his way of thinking, but Frog is bound by his philosophies and refuses to change.

Watching you guys argue is almost as entertaining as reading the manga.
 
We've seen Naruto progress closer with Hinata as the series moved on.
Kishi drew and designed Hinata first before even creating Sakura....

Is that true? I know Sasuke and Sakura were editor add ins.


I mean it makes sense. As the story progressed, it needed Sasuke to move the plot forward. But the whole Neji-Hinata-Naruto thing in the Chuunin exams was one of the few plotlines that didn't include Sasuke or Sakura at all. It was uniquely a Naruto struggle. And the conclusion of Neji's fight referenced chapter 1 in a way no other chapter had done. hmm...
 

Error

Jealous of the Glory that is Johnny Depp
I entered the NaruSaku FC thread in narutoforums, just for shits and giggles and I wanted some meltdowns

holy crap the amount of sodium chloride once the last chapters leaked was unreal. why people get so invested in this, the manga is about people beating the shit out of each other, romance is secondary at best. damn just damn, I haven't seen so much salt since DQ9 on DS.
 
I said this in the manga thread as well but Kishi did say at the start of part 2 not to expect any romance in the manga. Other than the Kushina flash back he stuck to his word. I guess you could argue the Hinata confession and volume 64 covers were romantic but it is a bit of a stretch.




If Kisihi is to be believed chapter 700 was already drawn almost 10 years ago.

I don't think it means that he wanted to publish that ending. He just said he had it drawn.
 

Frog-fu

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As I recall it, Kishimoto said he had the final chapter drawn up in his head. I think that was way back in 2006 or something. I have a hard time believing his story and even the ending didn't change substantially over time.
 

Village

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It looks like the characters , at least the young ones are wearing more regular clothes.

I hope they just wear more regular clothes now.
 

Welfare

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As I recall it, Kishimoto said he had the final chapter drawn up in his head. I think that was way back in 2006 or something. I have a hard time believing his story and even the ending didn't change substantially over time.

He probably had a good idea how the final chapter would end up, it's just how he would get there is what probably changed.
 

Frog-fu

Banned
Someone tumblr pointed something out about Naruto's kids that made me think there may be more credence to the theory he's an neglectful father.

When Himawari and Hinata visited Neji's grave and Himawari talked about bringing Bolt with them the next they went, she didn't even mention Naruto, as though the possibility of him having the time didn't even cross her mind.

That's kind of fucked.

He probably had a good idea how the final chapter would end up, it's just how he would get there is what probably changed.

Yeah, I suppose. He was consistent in saying that Naruto VS Sasuke and Naruto becoming Hokage would be the last things he would draw, and that much came true.
 

Welfare

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Someone tumblr pointed something out about Naruto's kids that made me think there may be more credence to the theory he's an neglectful father.

When Himawari and Hinata visited Neji's grave and Himawari talked about bringing Bolt with them the next they went, she didn't even mention Naruto, as though the possibility of him having the time didn't even cross her mind.

That's kind of fucked.

That is fucked up. Maybe the spin-off is going to focus more on immediate family problems.
 

SolVanderlyn

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Some weird stuff about the end pairings I hadn't considered despite it being obvious:

Neji is Bolt's uncle

Shikadai is the Fourth Kazekage's grandson

Sarada is the entire future of the Uchiha clan

Hanabi is an aunt

Also, from what we saw of the kids, the new Ino-Shika-Cho trio looked like it could get some serious mileage as an interesting set of characters. Inoshi in particular seemed like a really cool guy - I loved the scene when he was considering ditching his training, and he's apparently bros with Bolt.
 

Frog-fu

Banned
That is fucked up. Maybe the spin-off is going to focus more on immediate family problems.

Yeah it is. Another poster responded with the theory that it was written that way so they could recreate the "winning formula" of lonely, dejected protagonist and the quiet stalker girl that likes him in the spinoff series.

I don't necessarily buy into that theory but it's kind of opened my eyes to how not Naruto-like Naruto was in the epilogue. Ramen cups and booze at his desk, seemingly swamped at work if he's eating and drinking at this desk, and unable to really spend time with his kids - eh, I can't say I'm too fond of that image.
 

SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Yeah it is. Another poster responded with the theory that it was written that way so they could recreate the "winning formula" of lonely, dejected protagonist and the quiet stalker girl that likes him in the spinoff series.

I don't necessarily buy into that theory but it's kind of opened my eyes to how not Naruto-like Naruto was in the epilogue. Ramen cups and booze at his desk, seemingly swamped at work if he's eating and drinking at this desk, and unable to really spend time with his kids - eh, I can't say I'm too fond of that image.
I saw the booze as a slight nod to his parallel with Jiraiya.
 

Hans Holo

Banned
Some weird stuff about the end pairings I hadn't considered despite it being obvious:

Neji is Bolt's uncle

Shikadai is the Fourth Kazekage's grandson

Sarada is the entire future of the Uchiha clan

Hanabi is an aunt

Also, from what we saw of the kids, the new Ino-Shika-Cho trio looked like it could get some serious mileage as an interesting set of characters. Inoshi in particular seemed like a really cool guy - I loved the scene when he was considering ditching his training, and he's apparently bros with Bolt.

Yeah didn't think about those facts either.
And who's Inoshi? You mean Shikadai? Or Inojin? That's totally a girl

And lmao about NaruSaku fanboys. Apparently eating and drinking at work now means you have no time for your family and you're a bad dad. Really? REALLY? Stop being so pathetic please.
 

Frog-fu

Banned
I saw the booze as a slight nod to his parallel with Jiraiya.

Possibly, though Tsunade was the heavier drinker out of the two and probably drank at her desk as well. It just seems odd and out of place for Naruto. He did promise Kushina he would avoid the bottle after all. From the looks of it, he has a dependency problem, lol.
 

Rebel Leader

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Someone tumblr pointed something out about Naruto's kids that made me think there may be more credence to the theory he's an neglectful father.

When Himawari and Hinata visited Neji's grave and Himawari talked about bringing Bolt with them the next they went, she didn't even mention Naruto, as though the possibility of him having the time didn't even cross her mind.

That's kind of fucked.
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It's grade A bullshit if true
 

Yado

Member
Someone tumblr pointed something out about Naruto's kids that made me think there may be more credence to the theory he's an neglectful father.

When Himawari and Hinata visited Neji's grave and Himawari talked about bringing Bolt with them the next they went, she didn't even mention Naruto, as though the possibility of him having the time didn't even cross her mind.

That's kind of fucked.

People are looking too deeply into this.
 

EhoaVash

Member
yeah the 700 naruto doesn't even feel like naruto which makes me kinda sad :(

I was hoping he would be the best dad ever since lol he had no dad <.< but nooppe

naruto ended up like a mix between Itachi and Sasuke's own father. sigh...

Really hope the Movie ending has family BONDING ^^
 

Frog-fu

Banned
It's grade A bullshit if true

People are looking too deeply into this.

That's exactly what I thought at first, especially when I read the bit with Himawari not even mentioning her father, and then I read the epilogue to confirm whether that was true. Turns out it was, and now I can't unsee it. It's like Aang in the Legend of Korra. You don't want to believe Aang, of all people, would be a neglectful father, but it's evident he was, and now it looks like Naruto might be as well. Perhaps it's a little childish to expect him to be a dedicated Hokage and a great father, but the manga made me think that's exactly what he would be. Now I'm not so sure.

The miniseries should clear this up hopefully.
 

EhoaVash

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well even Kishimoto is a neglectful daaddy ;d

anyway naruto's neglect shouldn't be a factor of paring wars lololol
I agree with this post on another site

"Naruto doesn’t ignore this, he actually takes the time to talk to him about it (and is late for his meeting because of it) because he loves his son."
 
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