Windom Earle
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What the fuck is up with the input lag in Grand Theft Auto V on PS4??
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Mix of magic PS4s/Xbones, cognitive dissonance and insecurity. Pretty bad mkay.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I think it's going to take a Digital Foundry (or similar) article with the lag numbers to get R* to admit it and then fix it. I'm guessing it's in the mid to high 100s.
Same thing with that awful upscaling filter MS had.
Windom Earle
Member
This will not be fixed, just like the tree animations. Maybe on PC with mods.
R* is too stubborn.
Solid Samus
Banned
I just tried this game against Destiny and Call of Duty and the dead-zone really isn't TOO much bigger on GTA. Slightly, but it's not the problem. And the input lag and acceleration disparities are very noticeable. If you do what I did just now, play GTA and Call of Duty/Destiny back to back and shoot some targets or just aim around a little bit, I simply would not believe you if you came back and said they were just as responsive or ESPECIALLY as precise as one another. I see what you're saying about the deadzone a bit but this game is nowhere near controlling with the accuracy or responsiveness of the other games you mentioned.
I love how most of the people who are having problems are attacking those who aren't while claiming the reverse.
FWIW my deadzone gif which are nothing like the above. Smaller movements than Lukas' and every movement has an obvious reaction. There is a very small perceptible delay ("input lag") in the gif thats not noticeable during gameplay, which again is nothing like the others.
I don't doubt some people are having issues, but don't call people liars or ignorant of the problem or R* apologists or whatever just because they are saying, truthfully, it isn't affecting them.
If you can visibly see the input lag with your naked eye and a full-speed gif, then it's pretty atrocious in my book.
Input lag isn't acceptable in modern games, especially not this scale.
AuthenticM
Member
I was planning on buying the game this Christmas, but I am totally not now. Seriously, this garbage is unacceptable in 2014. You'd think that Battlefield 3 for PS3 would have been the final nail in the coffin of this bullshit, but apparently not.
I'm somewhat confused as to the motivations of the apologists here -- I mean, this isn't a first party game and by all reports, the phenomenon may be observed on all the platforms on which the game appears, so it's not like this somehow factors into the ongoing war.
Like, even if the latency doesn't bother you personally, why are some of you arguing so vehemently against a fix for those individuals for whom the latency is a real issue?
Like, even if the latency doesn't bother you personally, why are some of you arguing so vehemently against a fix for those individuals for whom the latency is a real issue?
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
I love how most of the people who are having problems are attacking those who aren't while claiming the reverse.
FWIW my deadzone gif which are nothing like the above. Smaller movements than Lukas' and every movement has an obvious reaction. There is a very small perceptible delay ("input lag") in the gif thats not noticeable during gameplay, which again is nothing like the others.
I don't doubt some people are having issues, but don't call people liars or ignorant of the problem or R* apologists or whatever just because they are saying, truthfully, it isn't affecting them.
Jesus fucking christ.
I fucking knew something was wrong with the aiming in the game, now I know why it's so bad.
That's fucking unacceptable. If you can see a visible input lag like that, it's fucking bad.
The faux outrage and OTT statements you guys have going on has me in stitches. Apologism, defenders, rarrgh rarrgh. Its not like, just disagreeing with you guys or anything like that. Its far more insidious. I especially like the guy who can't figure out why people aren't all just agreeing because theres no obvious console war angle to play. Says more about you dude.
And uhm, I can literally make that .gif for every game, and the minute lag you guys are seeing will be apparent. Console games have x frames latency. In my editing software theres about a 2-3 frame lag, which is uhhhhhhh.....66-99ms?
And uhm, I can literally make that .gif for every game, and the minute lag you guys are seeing will be apparent. Console games have x frames latency. In my editing software theres about a 2-3 frame lag, which is uhhhhhhh.....66-99ms?
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
That's pretty bad, and I'm one of those people who get used to this sort of thing.
Waiting.
Nah. Judging by your post at the top of the thread where you didn't acknowledge my earlier visual evidence (because everyone who isn't experiencing this issues has a "magical version" they dont want to share), I am pretty sure you would just ignore it. How about you provide a .gif of instantaneous console input.
jellies_two
Member
Yeah, no you can't.
At least not for the better games.
Unless your TV has bad lag?
All games have some controller lag, but the best ones try to minimise it when aiming accurately is a huge component of the game.
Luckily in GTA5 aiming accurately is not that important, really.
In driving, you just get used to it (plus, lag is normal in a car that isn't for racing).
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
Working on it.
Solid Samus
Banned
He's absolutely right that a vid showing a delay can be made of LITERALLY any game (first thing I noticed when I tried to make vids with my shit cellphone earlier) but I maintain based on my last post that the lag here is still more pronounced here.this is most easily noticible if you load gta and any other fps on the system back to back and compare aiming left and right quickly and snappily. There's a remarkable difference. And as i had pointed out the acceleration puts this game way outside the realm of dedicated FPS games designed around responsive tactile gameplay. Both of these things are so apparent when compared directly or back to back that if you did as I did and tried the games back to back you could not truthfully entertain the notion that this game's responsiveness and accuracy of control begins to compare.
I'll see ya in the digital foundry thread. Neither party can dispute numbers after all, and I do urge you to recall just how many remote play and kz2/3 threads had people posting "well I notice no lag at all". Reference points and ability to discern are important and in this case so is context considering very few of those posts in here indicate whether or not they are even using aim assist.
I'll see ya in the digital foundry thread. Neither party can dispute numbers after all, and I do urge you to recall just how many remote play and kz2/3 threads had people posting "well I notice no lag at all". Reference points and ability to discern are important and in this case so is context considering very few of those posts in here indicate whether or not they are even using aim assist.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
It isn't perfect; a rough recording. Apologies. But as you can see, the input lag in The Master Chief Collection is negligible, even playing on a large screen DLP. Compare this to GTA V. Also sorry for the shit .GIF.
Here.
For some reason the GTA .GIF I had here to compare is broken so, for the time being, I removed it.
Here.
For some reason the GTA .GIF I had here to compare is broken so, for the time being, I removed it.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
66-99ms of lag would actually be great for a 30fps game. GTAIV had 166ms of input lag (making it one of the laggiest console games ever made), and GTAV sounds even worse. And that doesn't include the HDTV input lag (another 30-40ms).
Yeah I think terrible controls should prevent a game from getting (near) perfect scores. I mean how is it totally overlooked or forgiven? I'm not saying it makes an otherwise perfect game bad, but a 10/10 or almost shouldn't be let off the hook for bad controls. Even disregarding lag or dead zones GTA games have a legacy of mediocre handling.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
Probably been discussed before, but isn't this just lag caused by the tv or are we talking about tvs that actually have fast response times, work well with other titles but GTA is looking like 100 ms lag?
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
I've played it on a high speed monitor and still experienced awful lag. It's not the screen, it's the game, unfortunately.
The Artisan
Member
I don't think it;'s the game. it's the controller. I've had input lag with ghosts, minecraft, hell practically every game I've played on Ps4.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
It's your TV then. Playing Spelunky with my friend on the PS4 is extremely tight and responsive on my monitor. Different story on his bad Sylvania TV set.
Striek, I have no horse in this race. I didn't even know about this until 10 minutes ago, and I don't give a shit about GTAV, nor do I pay attention to frame rates and input lag, but your gif was hard for me to follow because of the lag between your actions and your character's. At the end, after you pop up to see the sky, you're thumb is going in the opposite directions as your character. Your thumb goes one way, then the other, and as it's going the second way, your character is starting to move the initial direction, and when you then revert back, the character again is only then going the opposite direction. That looks laggy as hell, and again, it was frustrating to watch because what you were doing in the gif was so far removed from your character's movements.
jellies_two
Member
well that gif of not-gta5, is all that we need
I think you can make the same acceptable lag gif for destiny and far cry 4 and bf4 - only gta5 shows the extra lag that makes free aim a pain.
I think you can make the same acceptable lag gif for destiny and far cry 4 and bf4 - only gta5 shows the extra lag that makes free aim a pain.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
Yes, most-- if not all --games I've played on Xbox One and PS4 are extremely responsive. Games like Spelunky or other fast-paced games would be IMPOSSIBLE with the amount of input lag present in GTA V.
But it's ignored for GTA V. You know why? Because it's a critically acclaimed title and there are aiming options that mitigate the problem. That's good enough for a lot of people, but not for me.
Okay, do it for one game, or else you're just talking shit. Preferably a game that GAF deems to have low input lag (Far Cry 4 has been mentioned in this thread, or a fighting game).
MInd you, I don't think input lag is a huge deal in a game like GTA V, but that doesn't mean that I'm flat out denying that it's there.
check your tv.
andrerobot
Member
It isn't perfect; a rough recording. Apologies. But as you can see, the input lag in The Master Chief Collection is negligible, even playing on a large screen DLP. Compare this to GTA V. Also sorry for the shit .GIF.
Here.
Holy fucking shit.
Now I get why FPS mode is pretty much unplayable.
If it was the controller I would lag in the PS4 OS menu --- but I don't, its fucking lightning fast.
Stealthcobra
Member
Lag or no lag?: http://youtu.be/4JUjeOo9nug
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
Lag, bad. I mean, look when you flick the stick left and right moderately fast. The direction the character aims is opposite where your stick even is.
It's better in 3rd person. I also play with auto-aim which is the best way to play with GTA games.
Not just in first person mode. Maybe some peeps are noticing it more easily in first person but its obviously there all the time. If you can spare the resolution difference and the better foliage on the PS4 version, you might want to play the PS3 version for now. I mean, especially if atrocious input lag is a concern for you.
M.W.
Member
It's prevalent. It's not tied to certain PS4's.
Great point.
Because reviewers, like a lot of people, including myself, thought the controls were excellent? Because some of us don't mind a bit of lag, and judge the controls holistically?
I blame the euphoria engine for the lag, personally, yes. And I think what euphoria brings to the game makes it 100% worth it.
Stealthcobra
Member
I guess i'd rather judge it if i can do the shooting challenges...which i can...so i guess it doesn't effect my enjoyment of the game and thats all that matters.
It's weird, I haven't noticed it at all if it is prevalent.
It's like the CoD lag compensation, that shit is obvious, but his GTA input lag, no trace of it for me.
Lord of Castamere
Member
I'm not sure what went wrong. The acceleration is a bitch which makes fp mode a pain in the ass without autoaim. It's really apparent in the gun training exercises, which I don't remember having issue with in the last gen versions.
thx, then I'll just wait till they fix it, have enough games to play anyway (for now)
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
I can't blame you for having your own preferences and opinions, but the input lag is an objectively and technically bad thing. Either it's a technical fault due to the engine or a design decision (which would be 100x worse). A game where you control a character in 3D space, trying to accurately aim a gun at people, needs as little input lag as possible. You can't argue that.
Free-aim, too? Hey man, if you're having fun with it that's all that matters.
Those are two totally different things man.
Fleshfeast
Member
It's not even tied to PS4. I'm on Xbox One and experiencing it.
M.W.
Member
Yeah. Rockstar needs to patch this ASAP
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
Yep. I'd hop on right now and play all night if it got fixed.
Agreed. I'm not talking about the technicality of issue, but more of the observability from the player's POV...