Hopefully they can double the amount of working games to match that.
2 times 0 is still 0.
Hopefully they can double the amount of working games to match that.
I expect it to quadruple. What now? Exactly.
Fuck Jay Z.
They said while ago that it was a rare case and that don't expect to see 2 main AC games per year at least in the near future.I guess if Ubisoft convinces themselves this can happen they'll convince themselves rushing out two Assassin's Creed games a year is a good idea.
AMD said:Strong demand continued for AMD-based game consoles, with Microsoft and Sony having shipped nearly 30 million consoles to-date.
AMD said "almost 30 million"
Take Two said "exceeds 29 million"
and Ubisoft saying "over 28 million"
I think there is a general consensus that the combined sales Ps4/XB1 were not at 30 million by the end of 2014. This rules out XB1 sold through being at 11.5M. Because 18.5 + 11.5 is 30million and reports are saying it's under that.
They can't be referring to sold through anyway because Microsoft has only updated shipped or sold-in. Microsoft investors don't even know the split. This would also be a shift seeing as how IDG has normally reported shipped numbers. Unless I'm missing something. Does anyone know for a FACT that they are using sold-through?
Also based on Sony's report, we know that they shipped 19.9M at the end of 2014. Microsoft probably hit the 10m shipped milestone by the end of 2014.
But this lines up with the prediction me and a few others had about XB1. But this is only speculation.
But the 2:1 is all but confirmed at this point.
None of this explains why Ubisoft is so low.
Here we go, for those need more clarification. ....http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/press-release-2015jan20.aspx
Geez, give it a rest. You were banned once already for trying to manipulate information.
All the numbers stated are sold through. We've been over this before in other threads (where you also participated) where AMD clarified straight after they meant sold to end users (so sold through).
And at the end of the day none of this matters that much... The main point to take away is that at this point in time the PS4 and X1 are doing better than the PS3 and 360 in the same time frame.
AMD said:Strong demand continued for AMD-based game consoles, with Microsoft and Sony having shipped nearly 30 million consoles to-date.
Take-Two said it exceeded 29 million based off of IDG data. I doubt it's only at 28 million(considering the shipped numbers).
Console gaming...Clearly dying
IDG usually reports shipped numbers, which is why I'm perplexed that some suggest that they are referring to sold-through. Ubisoft could be referring to sold-through though because this definitely does seem on the low end.
So, 9.5 mil. Xbone's sold in 2014. That's a...hm.... MS really has a bunch of unsold Xbone consoles at retailers.
Hopefully they can double the amount of working games to match that.
Here we go, for those need more clarification. ....http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/press-release-2015jan20.aspx
AMD stated shipped and there is no indication from AMD that they were referring to sold-through. I asked for a link to be posted where AMD clarified their statement and I have seen nothing. I Google it and it only brings me here:They referring to sold-through. It would be impossible for it to be shipped anyway because we have 19.9 million shipped for PS4 and XB1 should've shipped around 11.5-12.5 million.
I just think the same person claiming 11.5M shipped is the same one claiming AMD actually meant sold-through even though they stated shipped. There isn't always some lines to read between. Maybe AMD actually meant shipped because Microsoft has only been reporting shipped numbers for the entirety of 2014. There is no article, direct quote, or link provided that supports this claim.Hi Guys, just a quick one regarding sell through.
AMD announced that PS4 and X1 install base was nearly 30 million as of the end of 2014. A lot of people think AMD meant 30 million shipped units between PS4 and X1 but Lisa Su, later clarified that they were talking about sales from their customers (Sony & MS) to end users (consumers).
So what AMD were actually saying is that cumulative sell through of PS4 and X1 was nearly 30m units before the end of 2014. We can say that ~18.5m units were PS4's and that an absolute maximum of 11.5m were Xbox One's.
Take Two have now released information that says sell through of PS4 and X1 has been very strong with a combined installed base of these platforms exceeding 29 million worldwide by the end of December according to IDG estimates.
So now we can narrow down that the install base is more than 29m but less than 30m assuming AMD and Take Two are using the same source.
Therefore we can say with some confidence that estimated sell through of PS4 will be around ~18.5m and estimated sell through of Xbox One will be between ~10.5m to ~11.5m.
Whilst not an exact figure for X1 it's as close as we'll get.
It's not everyone, me and a few others have been saying this since Microsoft's report. It's seems that all the publisher quarter reports being released are vindication of our assertions. Xbox One more than likely hit the 10 million shipped mark before the end of 2014.Wow that means the X1 sold alot lower than everyone predicted. Yikes.
There is no benefit for AMD to report console sold-through over sold-in to investors. Why would they intentionally give their investors a smaller sold-through number when the sold-in exceeds it by millions? It is counter productive. Which is why Microsoft,Sony, even (Ubisoft with AC:Unity/Rogue)both present sold-in (shipped) to investors.
Exactly. Microsoft is no longer disclosing sold-through to their own investors. We are only getting combined XB1/360 shipments. So how would take two, Ubisoft, and AMD (why would they even care) know XB1 sold-through when Microsoft's investors do not know it? I'm not asking people to agree, just see it from a different point of view.Great point there. If the 30 mil was sold thru they would've provided the shipped number as well. No way they would've only put out the lower number to investors and sell their product short like this.
They said while ago that it was a rare case and that don't expect to see 2 main AC games per year at least in the near future.
In addition to that, they also mentioned that Ubi Montreal won't be the lead studio (remember that several studios work on them) in all the upcoming main AC games, that they will swap this position with other studios (Ubi Quebec was mentioned for the next one) as other IPs like CoD do.
So it sounds that starting 2015 there will be a main AC per year, and (every 2 years?) Ubi Montreal would be the studio lead. The other years other Ubi studios take the lead.
AMD stated shipped and there is no indication from AMD that they were referring to sold-through. I asked for a link to be posted where AMD clarified their statement and I have seen nothing.
Do they mean install base as in total sold or total users of either ?
I don't know, 56-60 million by the end of the year seems a bit much. I expect more around 45-50 million with anywhere from 30-35 million of those being PS4 and Xbox being somewhere around 15 million. Unless either Xbox's sales pick up drastically in Europe or PS4's sales explode beyond what people expect I just don't see it happening.
So cold it BURNS.2 times 0 is still 0.
You will find the shipped vs sold through answer on page 17 of AMD's quarterly report transcript. In a question from Sanjay Chaurasia, Lisa Su said "Sure, so Sanjay, let me just clarify. In terms of the unit shipments, those are unit shipments from our customers to end users, and most of that is publicly available data from what Sony and Microsoft have published."
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MjY3MjM0fENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1
[UPDATE]
Here is the link to the Investor Relations page for AMD where I found that file: http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=quarterlyearnings
Uhmm in case you didn't know most of MS data available is shipped not sold.
...That results in 9.5 millions Xbox One, doesn't it? not even 10 millions sounds too low.
MS have never officially announced 10 million sold. 9.5 to 10 sounds about right to me.
Don't know why don't you give us the actual sold numbers then I'll agree or disagree?
Your low end X1 number points at close to 9.5m sold. So what exactly are you trying to argue here anyway?
Thanks for this.
So you're telling me that the Xbox 360 sold double what the PS3 sold in 2014?
Because 29m-30m sold in means that Xbox One shipped 10m or less units cumulatively by the end of 2014.
It also means Xbox 360 had record sales (despite MS saying sales sharply declined) and is officially better selling than the PS2 or any other console in it's 9th year and sold almost the same as it sold in 2013. Also it means that sales outside for the USA for Xbox 360 were over 4x as much.
It also means that Xbox One had less than 600k units in channel compared o PS4's 1.4m.
Seriously. Maybe think of the implications before posting. Because if you think this is a sold in number (despite all the evidence it isn't) then you have a lot of explaining to do on how Xbox One was able to sell through all the stock it shipped and how Xbox 360 is now a record breaking console in it's 9th year selling better than the Wii U + PS3 combined.
As has been stated multiple times. AMD refer to sell through, as do Take Two and Ubisoft. We can say that the number will be between 28-30m sold through with it likely to be ~29m or over.
Therefore we can say that PS4 sold through more than 18.5m whilst Xbox One will be around or between ~9.6m to ~11.4m.
They said publicly available data, which means they may be using sold through numbers from Sony, and estimating sold through numbers from MS.
Seriously what are you talking about anymore? Ubisoft's 28m is sold to consumer. Where did I say it's sold to retailer?
They said most, not all. They have accurate data, and are saying most of that data is publicly available.
They said most, not all. They have accurate data, and are saying most of that data is publicly available.
Just as a point of fact in regards to Microsoft. You have to read their statements very carefully since they tend to muddle words and phrases which easily leads to confusion.
Microsoft usually gives us shipped data, but on occasion they will announce sold through data.
It's a confusing mess and you have to actually go to the statement(s) from Microsoft and figure it out each time.
You said AMD wouldn't state sold through and must be talking shipped.
Getting NPD data should be easy for them, however rest of the world is a different matter.
surely if MS had passed 10m we would have heard about it, not something they would hide even if they are behind Sony.