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[Frillen]

Osirisblack gave it a 9/10. Lets get some Gaffer reviews in the OP.

This is the worst suggestion I've heard in a long while.

 

[RE_Player]

Pulled a small patch, only around 30MB. Not sure if there will be another one by Friday.

 

[NullPointer]

Based on how much destiny got dinged for lack of content I don't expect great reviews from what I've been reading.

Destiny was marketed as an epic, a new level of ambition in gaming, and something like an MMO hybrid for the consoles. That kind of thing can come back to bite you in the ass when you leave the gate half-cocked.

Marketing and expectation setting for The Order has been different though. The focus has been on story, visuals, mood and cinematic qualities. So when the reviewers find a game with most of the focus set on visuals, world building and cinematic styling, can that really be held against it?

Review scores imho should be more about how well a game lives up to its own marketed promises. In this case just what promises has RAD made w/ The Order?

 

[ArkkAngel007]

If they are that touchy about details of the game, they shouldn't even be in this thread. I don't know what else they would expect from a review thread.

You would have thought the same when it came to some of the recent threads, but I was seeing things being considered spoilers that I would think were just general knowledge material (specifically game length in total to chapter length breakdowns).

As I said though, I agree it's really nothing. Just the issue of the possibility of that particular thing being discussed further that might make it a bit of an iffy that might make it a touchy subject. Less detail and chance of exposition in saying a boss is [insert general statement of quality] as they do in most reviews than boss fight does this, that, etc. in regards to the mechanics.

Again, not a big deal.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

I can almost feel the bloodlust of hundreds of gaffers waiting for this game to be utterly eviscerated in the reviews.

 

[FLAguy954]

 

[Jarmel]

Destiny was marketed as an epic, a new level of ambition in gaming, and something like an MMO hybrid for the consoles. That kind of thing can come back to bite you in the ass when you leave the gate half-cocked.

Marketing and expectation setting for The Order has been different though. The focus has been on story, visuals, mood and cinematic qualities. So when the reviewers find a game focused on visuals and cinematic styling, can that really be held against it?

Reviews imho tend to be more about how well a game lives up to its own marketed promises. In this case just what promises has RAD made w/ The Order?

The game will live and die by the story.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

This is the worst suggestion I've heard in a long while.

I could come up with worse.

 

[Betty]

Now we know the final boss will reuse animations


...like every boss ever created in existence.

I won't spoil it, but if and when you play the game you'll see why it comes off as a little lazy or that the developers ran out of time or something.

 

[Guevara]

Curious, what leads you to that belief?

1. Graphically it (Bloodborne) looks kind of rough. Some of the screens look really good, but the video last week was pretty bland. I know that shouldn't matter, but people are getting frustrated with From, it sort of came to a head over DaSII lighting. It was cute when DeS and DaS has some issues way back in the early PS3 days, but no longer. One too many boring hallways, low-res textures, or unfurnished concrete-box rooms and the game will get dinged.

2. It doesn't look all that different from the Souls games, you are still basically walking up to waiting groups of enemies, combat looks pretty similar, progression looks sort of similar, etc. Therefore there will be some franchise fatigue, and disappointed expectations (I thought it would be really different but it's only sort of different, etc.) This isn't totally fair, btw.

3. I also expect that some of the changes will be great, but some won't. This is the flip-side of point #2. Some people will go into BB wanted DaS, and those people will be disappointed. Again, not really fair, but possible.

4. Lastly, reviewers are in a bad position: if anything is broken at launch, especially online, they pretty much have to make a big issue out of it. Too many games lately have squeaked by with broken multiplayer.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

This is the worst suggestion I've heard in a long while.

If they can show proof that they have and completed the game and cleared by mods, what would be the problem? Not like it would be used in the metacritic or whatever. It would still be its separate thing.

Unless there's something that makes the people who are reviewing the game for outlets a, b, c, d...superior to someone here. It's all subjective impressions. Only difference is one gets paid for it.

 

[Freeman]

I say this as a Ps4/PC gamer who is probably still years away from buying an Xbox One.

Microsoft be kicking Sony's ass yo. Three of the top five in that list are Xbone exclusive, and only the last entry is a Ps4 (and ps3) exclusive. OUCH

EDIT: Read the list wrong, not scores in descending order haha. But my point still stands, lots of Xbox representation, almost none for Sony.

The list is incomplete, according to metacritic Xbox One has about 37 games equal or above 80 while PS4 has about 60 games that meet those conditions(unless I made some mistake).

 

[Mushroomer25]

MLB 14, FFXIV, Guilty Gear Xrd, many more etc.

But from the first party studios yes Microsoft has a better metacritic average. Neither company seems to have a "killer" current gen exclusive yet though.

Agreed. It's not for a lack of trying (Titanfall, Infamous) - but the most compelling stuff this gen so far has been multiplatform.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

please dont tell me this is a 800 post topic for just one review.

 

[De_Legend]

1. Graphically it (Bloodborne) looks kind of rough. Some of the screens look really good, but the video last week was pretty bland. I know that shouldn't matter, but people are getting frustrated with From, it sort of came to a head over DaSII lighting. It was cute when DeS and DaS has some issues way back in the early PS3 days, but no longer. One too many boring hallways, low-res textures, or unfurnished concrete-box rooms and the game will get dinged.

2. It doesn't look all that different from the Souls games, you are still basically walking up to waiting groups of enemies, combat looks pretty similar, progression looks sort of similar, etc. Therefore there will be some franchise fatigue, and disappointed expectations (I thought it would be really different but it's only sort of different, etc.) This isn't totally fair, btw.

3. I also expect that some of the changes will be great, but some won't. This is the flip-side of point #2. Some people will go into BB wanted DaS, and those people will be disappointed. Again, not really fair, but possible.

4. Lastly, reviewers are in a bad position: if anything is broken at launch, especially online, they pretty much have to make a big issue out of it. Too many games lately have squeaked by with broken multiplayer.

Mid 80's.

Nope.

 

[meanspartan]

Review thread is turning into Uncharted vs Tomb Raider

Well we came here to see blood spilled and all we have to go on for now is some weird outlet that uses a 20 point scale we don't really get.

So....

FUCK NATHAN DRAKE TOMB RAIDER FOR LIFE YO


haha

 

[bananafactory]

1. Graphically it (Bloodborne) looks kind of rough. Some of the screens look really good, but the video last week was pretty bland. I know that shouldn't matter, but people are getting frustrated with From, it sort of came to a head over DaSII lighting. It was cute when DeS and DaS has some issues way back in the early PS3 days, but no longer. One too many boring hallways, low-res textures, or unfurnished concrete-box rooms and the game will get dinged.

2. It doesn't look all that different from the Souls games, you are still basically walking up to waiting groups of enemies, combat looks pretty similar, progression looks sort of similar, etc. Therefore there will be some franchise fatigue, and disappointed expectations (I thought it would be really different but it's only sort of different, etc.) This isn't totally fair, btw.

3. I also expect that some of the changes will be great, but some won't. This is the flip-side of point #2. Some people will go into BB wanted DaS, and those people will be disappointed. Again, not really fair, but possible.

4. Lastly, reviewers are in a bad position: if anything is broken at launch, especially online, they pretty much have to make a big issue out of it. Too many games lately have squeaked by with broken multiplayer.

I guess, I just expected DS2 to be hit by most of those complaints (graphically underwhelming, franchise fatigue, multiplayer issues), and it still scored incredibly high, so it's hard for me to imagine Bloodborne will suddenly be taken to task.

 

[Krusenstern]

 

[Alienous]

I could come up with worse.

I don't know why, but this is weirdly endearing.

 

[twobear]

Seems to confirm a lot of the stuff I was expecting. Will definitely consider picking this up in a few months.

 

[Zombie James]

I can't guess at how well The Order will do, but I will say that if it does poorly and this type of gameplay doesn't click with people anymore, I'd be really worried about the next Gears of War.

 

[cleveridea]

Until Dawn confirmed for Summer 2015? Nice.

I plan on buying Order with the Target deal

But I got more excited for Until Dawn than The Order looking at that. Probably prescient.

 

[Stet]

please dont tell me this is a 800 post topic for just one review.

you might say this topic is...800p

 

[Floridian]

please dont tell me this is a 800 post topic for just one review.

This is not an 800 post topic for just one review.

 

[Always-honest]

Ummm... isn't the first part of my post "You could wait for more reviews"? My point was that just because people have disappointing things to say about the game before it was out, that doesn't mean it's a spoiler. It should be put out there for everyone to see, so they can make a decision on whether to get it and not be disappointed after they've payed for it.

I'm not sure where I was telling anyone that they shouldn't buy the game.

Maybe i misinterpreted.. I don't know. You were talking about saving me the 60 bucks.
Anyway. I'll just keep avoiding threads untill friday. I still have the final,level of Wolfenstein and i just bought The Last of Us on OS4, so i'll be good for a while anyway.

 

[TharpDaddy]

The list is incomplete, according to metacritic Xbox One has about 40 games equal or above 80 while PS4 has about 60 games that meet those conditions(unless I made some mistake).

I imagine both are being heavily padded by indie games also released on PC. I'd be curious of the numbers without those.

 

[Elandyll]

We're almost there already, and it's 2 days before the Review embargo ends ...

 

[LegalEagleMike]

The list is incomplete, according to metacritic Xbox One has about 40 games equal or above 80 while PS4 has about 60 games that meet those conditions(unless I made some mistake).

the discussion started with AAA exclusive game reviews being lackluster so far this gen. Either way it seems to be heading towards console war discussion that this thread is not about.

 

[cleveridea]

1. Graphically it (Bloodborne) looks kind of rough. Some of the screens look really good, but the video last week was pretty bland. I know that shouldn't matter, but people are getting frustrated with From, it sort of came to a head over DaSII lighting. It was cute when DeS and DaS has some issues way back in the early PS3 days, but no longer. One too many boring hallways, low-res textures, or unfurnished concrete-box rooms and the game will get dinged.

2. It doesn't look all that different from the Souls games, you are still basically walking up to waiting groups of enemies, combat looks pretty similar, progression looks sort of similar, etc. Therefore there will be some franchise fatigue, and disappointed expectations (I thought it would be really different but it's only sort of different, etc.) This isn't totally fair, btw.

3. I also expect that some of the changes will be great, but some won't. This is the flip-side of point #2. Some people will go into BB wanted DaS, and those people will be disappointed. Again, not really fair, but possible.

4. Lastly, reviewers are in a bad position: if anything is broken at launch, especially online, they pretty much have to make a big issue out of it. Too many games lately have squeaked by with broken multiplayer.

1. I dont remember any of DS games being particularly amazing graphically

2. Not a bad thing

3. Yeah change means this, worth the risk

4 MP is optional though right like prior games

I am getting Order but really looking forward to blood borne. After the prior DS games I know From have the talent to make it a fun game as well as great looking (from trailers)

 

[Grady]

Why would you even bother making this thread at this point in time. All its going to do is add more fuel to the fire. This review has been up since yesterday afternoon posted in one of the order threads where it should have stayed.

 

[bananafactory]

I imagine both are being heavily padded by indie games also released on PC. I'd be curious of the numbers without those.

Many of those indie games are better than the AAA games on the list but this isn't the thread for that.

 

[Guevara]

Mid 80's.

Nope.

Too high or too low?

 

[Schryver]

This is not an 800 post topic for just one review.

Thanks for the laugh

 

[Seventy70]

Maybe i misinterpreted.. I don't know. You were talking about saving me the 60 bucks.

You said, "I'm not sure I want to buy this game anymore." and I said, "It's good that you realized that before buying the game and not after."

 

[Mushroomer25]

If they can show proof that they have and completed the game and cleared by mods, what would be the problem?

Because it opens a massive Pandora's Box of bullshit. Especially for a game as loaded as The Order. You'd be giving equal value to impartial media outlets, and people who are actually buying the game on day one.

I'd support a separate User Reviews thread, though

 

[Blastoise]

Wait so the embargo is still a couple of days away...

Whats the point of this thread?

 

[Always-honest]

You said, "I'm not sure I want to buy this game anymore." and I said, "It's good that you realized that before buying the game and not after."

Ah, okay.. Haha. Time to go to bed for me. Sorry dude.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

We're almost there already, and it's 2 days before the Review embargo ends ...

This is how I feel. I want to wait for the reviews for once. In the sense of site reviewers instead of the huge amount of mishmash going on in this thread and the impressions thread.

Reading through some of this makes me go "huh?"

 

[cleveridea]

If the game has 1.5 hours of actual gameplay (which is the last estimate I saw broken down into segments), and the stealth is bad, then I would say a yellow metacritic is the best they can hope for.

I think its in the 60s that being the case

 

[AHA-Lambda]

I think we all know the answer to that...

But to sum things up.

Its a PlayStation exclusive which will bring the Xbox fans.

Its also the best looking video game of all time, from a £349 box which will bring the PC fans confusingly thinking how its possible when their set up is twice that amount.

Much like the Uncharted 2 and 3 threads.

 

[Late Flag]

This is not an 800 post topic for just one review.

Out of the 800 posts, I think only a handful have anything to do with the one review. A hundred or so are about Bloodborne, another couple hundred are about Tomb Raider vs. Uncharted, and the rest are general shtick.

The "ban proof suit" is winning so far IMO.

 

[TheExecutive]

Destiny was marketed as an epic, a new level of ambition in gaming, and something like an MMO hybrid for the consoles. That kind of thing can come back to bite you in the ass when you leave the gate half-cocked.

Marketing and expectation setting for The Order has been different though. The focus has been on story, visuals, mood and cinematic qualities. So when the reviewers find a game with most of the focus set on visuals, world building and cinematic styling, can that really be held against it?

Review scores imho should be more about how well a game lives up to its own marketed promises. In this case just what promises has RAD made w/ The Order?

Yes, I believe it can be held against it if they find the experience lacking. The expectation may be set but in the end the expectation shouldn't sway the scores if they don't like the offering.

Mid 70's I think on metacritic. I don't necessarily think that's a bad score either...

 

[De_Legend]

Too high or too low?

I think it's a little too low, 88-90 is what I'm thinking but yeah, we'll see

 

[Averon]

Thread's been up for only two hours and we're already 17 pages deep?

This thread is going to be a graveyard.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

Because it opens a massive Pandora's Box of bullshit. Especially for a game as loaded as The Order. You'd be giving equal value to impartial media outlets, and people who are actually buying the game on day one.

I'd support a separate User Reviews thread, though

As if that doesn't happen already. And while the outlets may be impartial, the reviewers themselves are definitely not and they have full control of what scores they give.

Again, no one is asking for the reviews to be lumped together in the listing. I'd be up for a separate thread too, but by Day 1 there would be the OT anyways. This is for early verdicts from people like Rapier and Osiris.

But I do see the issues as well with people possibly influenced by having to pay for their copy too and other things.

 

[Jarmel]

I think it's a little too low, 88-90 is what I'm thinking but yeah, we'll see

This isn't last gen.

 

[Freeman]

the discussion started with AAA exclusive game reviews being lackluster so far this gen. Either way it seems to be heading towards console war discussion that this thread is not about.

I wasn't the one who started nor the one who posted a list that didn't illustrate the whole picture for AAA titles or otherwise.

 

[Tainted]

If they can show proof that they have and completed the game and cleared by mods, what would be the problem? Not like it would used in the metacritic or whatever.

Unless there's something that makes the people who are reviewing the game for outlets a, b, c, d...superior to someone here. It's all subjective information. Only difference is one gets paid for it.

You answered it yourself. Once you pay money for something the review then has a chance of losing its objectivity. Also, fanbois of a particular game will always rate a game higher even if they were a little disappointed in it

At least for the most part, external reviews are fairly objective. Filling the OP with GAF reviews would be a terrible idea.

 

[De_Legend]

This isn't last gen.

What?

 

[pager99]

You know what I'm beginning to think patcher might be right and this game might sell gangbusters because everytime I go on the internet it's order this order that
anyways can't wait till Friday