Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
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I was gonna say... Zelda games have been delayed since OoT :l
Anyone who saw the footage at Gamer's Choice had to have known that it wasn't quite ready for prime time due to how empty the world felt
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The Legend of Zelda Wii U no longer launching In 2015, will not be at E3 this year
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Anyone who saw the footage at Gamer's Choice had to have known that it wasn't quite ready for prime time due to how empty the world felt
Nintendojitsu
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What a strange post.
YOU'RE a strange post!
2003, wow that's digging up the past. I'd say 2008 was worse (wii music and animal crossing).
In 2003 they atleast had Mario Kart Double Dash and Pikmin 2, with MGS:Twin Snakes, Final Fantasy:CC, and RE4 all exclusive. The Pac Man VS demo was painful, but let's not forget they brought some of the goods.
Without Zelda there is a big elephant in the room, but we don't know enough about Starfox to write it off yet.
RE4 was showing in 2003? Thought that was 2004. But okay, I can dig the comparison to 2008. The point is 2016's gonna most likely suck.
Also, there has been no precedent for this. Ocarina of Time had 1995, 1996, 1997, and 1998. Wind Waker was shown in 2001, 2002, Twilight Princess, in 2004, 2005, and 2006. This decision is absolutely bizarre no matter how you look at it.
Well I guess I'll quote my post on the previous page:
So I think a Zelda trailer is possible.
With that said, I'm excited to see Devil's Third and Starfox's final reveals before release. Iwata said they have other games in development, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions just from Zelda's delay. It's about goddamn time they show off a Metroid.
Yeah, just like TP got the three-day-tutorial treatment. Oh...
Secret Owl
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After some time to think, I'm encouraged by this. Weather it ends up being cross-gen or not, they're spending more time to make the next Zelda as good as they can. I can't see Zelda Wii U being as revolutionary as ALttP or OoT were for games in general, but I get the sense that Nintendo is aiming to set a new bar for the series like they did with those games. I think it'll be worth it the wait.
It's pretty odd that this game is skipping E3 though. I wonder if that means it won't come out until after next year's E3...
It's pretty odd that this game is skipping E3 though. I wonder if that means it won't come out until after next year's E3...
A trailer is the absolute least they could show us.
Elfforkusu
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I expect it to be just like TP. That is, technically a cross-gen release, but they supply constrain the "legacy" console version.
Is it just me or did the delay announcement seem to lean towards personal blame? I mean in the sense that they made Aonuma do the video, not Iwata or another member of their executive management team.
There have numerous delays over the years with various Zelda titles and I can't recall too many instances where Nintendo held anyone personally responsible for the delay (well, maybe outside of Iwata or Miyamoto). If there is disagreement or accountability issue, they don't make it public. Am I wrong here?
There have numerous delays over the years with various Zelda titles and I can't recall too many instances where Nintendo held anyone personally responsible for the delay (well, maybe outside of Iwata or Miyamoto). If there is disagreement or accountability issue, they don't make it public. Am I wrong here?
OrbitalBeard
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Aonuma is the face of the Zelda franchise and has been for many years. Fans identify him directly with this series, so he'll always be the one making announcements, both good and bad.
Aonuma is Ninty's everything-Zelda guy. So no, they won't take his name off the box.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Silent_Ocarina
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Agreed. Personally, I never got the impression that Starfox was supposed to even be a big game. From everything we've heard, it seems more like a side project to me. It didn't seem like it was a significantly "bigger" game than Miyamoto's other side projects Guard and Giant Robot.
This is exactly the impression I got. I don't think Star Fox is going to be that big, Wii U-redeeming game some think it is.
LinkToTheFuture
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Entryhazard
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Starfox is gong to be fucking bare-bones because Miyamoto.
I'll gladly eat crow but how he butchered Sticker Star leaves me little hope.
Yeah I get the impression it's just going to be a little Miyamoto pet project. Nintendo might want to expand on it though if there's time.
That's what happened to Skyward Sword IIRC. It was delayed from Spring 2012 to Fall because they wanted a big holiday title. It had been done for months.
Shikamaru Ninja
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I think otherwise. Miyamoto knows exactly who the game is for, and everything he has said makes it sound like this will be a big Star Fox game.
I know its a joke, but why would Majora be there? lol
I don't think Zelda U will be crossgen with the NX because, if Nintendo are not retarded, they will ditch the Wii/WiiU's architecture completely and move to AMD's x86 like the X1 and PS4 did.
This means the port goes from easy to hard and very time-consuming.
I really like that Nintendo cares about the quality of their games enough not to rush anything. If EA made Zelda, you can bet your sweet ass it would come out in 2015!
This means the port goes from easy to hard and very time-consuming.
I really like that Nintendo cares about the quality of their games enough not to rush anything. If EA made Zelda, you can bet your sweet ass it would come out in 2015!
stan423321
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Yeah, no. Wii and Wii U don't share the general architecture. They share CPU architecture, but that's an entirely different, less involving thing.
Devs control CPU with HLLs anyway, so CPU architecture doesn't matter programming wise, except for one in Wii U just slowing it down compared to other stuff. Wii U / Xbox One general architectures are reasonable and will probably stay.
Astral Dog
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In the end it does seem like Zelda U was shown faaar too early, Nintendo should have waited a year, they likely regret it now and only showed it because Zelda is popular and made their lineup look better.
Elfforkusu
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I said this in the thread that got locked, but ARM makes more sense for Nintendo than x86. The 3DS is ARM based, but more importantly, the whole world (with the exception of the high-end server market) is shifting in that direction. It's the forward-looking move to skip over x86 entirely.
As for the difficulty of a crossgen title, that depends entirely on the quality of their internal tools. But considering it's the Zelda team (+ whatever devs are needed), it seems pretty reasonable. Obviously, they've already done crossplatform between ARM and PPC with Smash Bros. (and the CPU architecture was probably the easiest difference to overcome)
I'm not really willing to take that explanation at face value. I lean heavily towards the successor console + Twilight Princess "delay by a year for crossgen release" interpretation.
There's likely a grain of truth to what Aonuma said, but ultimately this is a business decision. And the TP delay announcement from 10 years ago reads almost exactly the same.
I very much believed it would come out this November.
A lot people did, myself included. Look in any thread.
Hindsight is making people say funny things...
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lol, that Miyamoto quote about Zelda being able to have been shown E3 2013 is kind of funny now
TheDarkTriforce
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WOW! I have no problem with that they delay the game in order to make it better or bigger, but they could at least show a new trailer at E3 2015 :. (
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I half-believed it but worried that it would be rushed. I'm pleased with the delay for that reason.
As for your second point...Nintendo does that quite often. Majora's Mask 3D, Super Mario 3D World, A Link Between Worlds, and Hyrule Warriors are all recent examples off the top of my head. The list really is quite long for Nintendo. That's why it wouldn't be a surprise if Nintendo has another big Wii U title for this holiday. That said, I'm not sure if a mainline home console Zelda has ever been released that quickly after being fully shown for the first time.
You can add me to the table. Bon appétit! I should have known better but I don't see anything filling Zelda shoes this Christmas. Is it too soon for a new EAD Tokyo game?
TheDarkTriforce
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From me too
And I really don't understand all the hate against Nintendo. If a game get released broken like AC: Unity or Battlefield 4 then everyone is complaining, and when a game gets delayed in order to make it better or bigger than also everyone is complaining. Nintendo proved now enough with their high quality games that they exactly know what they are doing and gamers should appreciate that that they are not rushing and releasing unfinished games with 1000 day one 10 gb patches and stuff like that! Nintendo cares about making good games, and that's today a rare and in my opinion very good thing Just recently?
Super Mario 3D World
Mario Kart 8
Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze
Splatoon
Kirby and the Rainbow Paintbrush
Captain Toad Treasure Trackers
Hyrule Warriors
Also this would be within 2 years if it had come out Holiday 2015 which includes a few more examples including Pikmin 3 and Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U (which were within 1 and a half years). Nintendo does it quite often.
Iriscomeback
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So how about Hyrule Warriors 2 while we wait Nintendo?
nintendo actually does that all the time
though I mainly believed it would release this year because nintendo has literally nothing else that is big for this holiday
dampflokfreund
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But Aonuma said they won't show Zelda at E3, so there will be no trailer :/
It wasn't that hard to believe in a 2015 release, because Nintendo was so adamant about the game hitting its target release. But I guess it's no surprise either, seeing that newer console Zelda games have always been delayed.
This kind of implies development difficulties, sadly. I bet they don't have enough material for a real trailer as of yet...
This kind of implies development difficulties, sadly. I bet they don't have enough material for a real trailer as of yet...
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