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[Thunder Monkey]

Free will exist. It's a deliberate choice to have sex with a 14 years old.
There's millions of single women his age he could find. He made that choice on purpose.
It's feelings, lust, perversion... not genetics. Humans can acts on that.

"a man refrain himself" Albert Camus.

That's actually the crux of Opiates argument.

Hard determinism in this context is that choice is an illusion. That whatever choice was going to be made, was already in the brain chemistry of the person in the first place. That all roads will lead to wherever the programming dictates.

I can see the argument. We are, in essence, naturally, evolutionary designed machines. With all the flaws such a messy process entails. I generally hope that choice isn't an illusion. That we can be more than we normally are. That our demons aren't immutable.

No matter the reality. I'm still gonna sit here and think "Mothafucka is fucked up!"

 

[chadskin]

Good news!

Both of them were picked up by police in Sérignan, southern France, today: http://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/...-in-frankreich-aufgespuert-40460684.bild.html

No other information are available at this time.

 

[Mimosa97]

He started a relationship with her when she was only 12 ?

And people are defending this guy ...

 

[The Smoking Bun]

He started a relationship with her when she was only 12 ?

And people are defending this guy ...

Love knows no bounds breh....

But seriously there should be bounds... the line should at least be before incestuous adulterous paedophilia (It's like Sin Bingo!)
Two 14 year olds I get getting frisky especially if it's within age of consent, this is just awful

The Uncle being married with kids make it another whole level of wrong even if the girl was a non-relation and also his age
There is no way you can defend the man's actions since it's all criminal leaving behind the moral & ethical complications

 

[Nightbird]

Even if they happen to love each other, sometimes it's just not meant to happen. This was just wrong, and that Guy shouldn't have donde this

 

[Ventara]

Good news!

Both of them were picked up by police in Sérignan, southern France, today: http://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/...-in-frankreich-aufgespuert-40460684.bild.html

No other information are available at this time.

Glad they're both safe. The guy's actions were crazy. Leaving his family to pursue an underage incestuous relationship? Nuts. And now his family will have to live with the shame of him doing that.

 

[Haribi]

Let me get this straight.

Girl is of age, Uncle is 47 years old but not blood related
Legally her Uncle however
Relationship reportedly going on for 18 months (so she wouldn't have been of age)
She is not of age of consent (14) due to him being over 18
Dude is married and runs away with her
Carrying a weapon

So...

Morally wrong things he definitely did:
Cheating on his wife
Runs away with his brother-in-law's child (who must be married to his sibling)

Morally wrong things he might have done:
Started a sexual relationship with a minor
Kidnapping

Illegal things he did:
Run away with a minor (without permission)
Started a sexual relationship with a minor

Illegal things he is reported to have done:
Posession of a firearm
Kidnapping

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Oh COME ON why is there an incest defense force on GAF? =(

EDIT: I didn't understand the German law at first so I had to edit

I am pretty sure that the age of consent in Germany is 14 and it is technically legal for an adult to have sexual relations with a 14 year old unless the minor or her relatives file a complaint and it is proven that he "exploited a 14–15 year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination"


In this case the parents of the girl certainly filed a complaint but if the court rules that the relationship was consensual and he didn't exploit her he wouldn't be charged with sexual relationship with a minor.

Although being her uncle and 30 years older most certainly will and should be counted as "exploitation of her sexual self-determination"

 

[Chariot]

Glad they're both safe. The guy's actions were crazy. Leaving his family to pursue an underage incestuous relationship? Nuts. And now his family will have to live with the shame of him doing that.

Is bringing shame upon the family really athing anymore? Pretty much everyone got a blacksheep or some in the family With varying degrees. I am more concerned about the girl, especially if she genuinly like him and wanted to do this.

 

[Ventara]

I am pretty sure that the age of consent in Germany is 14 and it is technically legal for an adult to have sexual relations with a 14 year old unless the minor or her relatives file a complaint and it is proven that he "exploited a 14–15 year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination"


In this case the parents of the girl certainly filed a complaint but if the court rules that the relationship was consensual and he didn't exploit her he wouldn't be charged for sexual relationship with a minor.

Although being her uncle and 30 years older probably will and should be counted as "exploitation of her sexual self-determination"

Did you miss this part

Relationship reportedly going on for 18 months (so she wouldn't have been of age)

There's nothing to defend here. The dude is a criminal.

Is bringing shame upon the family really athing anymore? Pretty much everyone got a blacksheep or some in the family With varying degrees. I am more concerned about the girl, especially if she genuinly like him and wanted to do this.

Is the girl not his family? Are you implying that every family has some sort of criminal like this in them? I have no sympathy for him, and his family will be the ones most affected by his poor actions.

Edit: Ah, maybe you meant his immediate family, but what's wrong with feeling sorry for them? Are they supposed to just pass it off as a normal everyday thing that a "family blacksheep" would do? They lost their husband and father.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Glad the girl is safe. I was wondering how this story would end up.

 

[Haribi]

Did you miss this part



There's nothing to defend here. The dude is a criminal.

I'm not defending the guy at all I just wanted to correct him in regards to the age of consent in Germany but I admit that I have understood his post wrong.

I thought with the "(14)" he meant her current age and that she isn't in the age of consent with 14.


Sorry for that, english isn't my first language.

 

[KPJZKC]

Fucking hell, she's tall for a 14 year old.

 

[Ventara]

I'm not defending the guy at all I just wanted to correct him in regards to the age of consent in Germany but I admit that I have understood his post wrong.

I thought with the "(14)" he meant her current age and that she isn't in the age of consent with 14.


Sorry for that, english isn't my first language.

It's okay, but even if she was 14, she wouldn't be the age of consent because the dude is older than 18.

 

[MrChom]

So....she's 14 now....and the relationship's been going on for 18 months.....

Find him, try him, convict him if true.
Find her, send her to counselling.

13 years old and having a relationship with a 45-46 year old....I realise if you shift the ages up a bi you could stick a Brazzers logo on it because they're "no blood related" but seriously, the age gap and her youth at the time the relationship started just make this intensely messed up.

 

[Palculator]

It's okay, but even if she was 14, she wouldn't be the age of consent because the dude is older than 18.

The issue appears to be less clear-cut:

(...) die auch für unter 16-jährige Opfer gelten, können sexuelle Handlungen von Erwachsenen, die über 21 Jahre alt sind, mit 14- und 15-jährigen Jugendlichen nach § 182 Abs. 3 StGB bestraft werden, falls ein gesetzlicher Vertreter des Jugendlichen Strafantrag stellt und im Strafverfahren das Gericht feststellt, dass der Erwachsene eine – etwa mit Hilfe eines Sachverständigen – festzustellende „fehlende Fähigkeit zur sexuellen Selbstbestimmung“ des Jugendlichen ausgenutzt hat.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzalter#Schutzalter_16_Jahre

Quick translation:
Sexual relations between teens younger than 16 but at least 14 and adults older than 21 are punishable if a legal guardian of said child decides to press charges and courts can prove the adult has abused some lack of sexual judgement by the teen.

I wasn't even aware of such regulations here, to be honest. I always assumed countries just let sex between two teenagers, even below 18, slide because it's normal for them. Didn't know we had specific laws that allow it and restrict it to teenagers. But all of this seems to be irrelevant if this started when she was 13.

Edit: Also, some EU regulations might supersede any of this. I'm not a lawyer in neither Germany nor the EU so the interplay between each of their regulations confuses me at times.

 

[Ganzlinger]

Glad she's safe.