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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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Wax Free Vanilla showed that huge 3D maps were used for four of the game's tracks (including Bathurst.)
Some of the new GT6 tracks (like Bathurst) are in a huge 3d environment that spans through dozens of miles around the actual track, as opposed to being just a 360° image in the background like in Forza 5 or older GT tracks.
There's more than four now. Sierra and I think Red Bull Ring are like that too.
TheAdmiester
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Let's not forget about dat tessellation goodness putting DC/PC/FM models to shame.
But they still don't look quite right in their paint and materials. You can have all the polygons in the world but the materials and "reality touches" of the car are what make it work. I agree with the Forza devs, "it isn't about polygons anymore", they're already detailed enough.
Look slightly above and tell me which one looks better. You ain't gonna achieve real life look with polygons edges, materials are important too. Also we haven't seen nextgen GT yet, these are all just their lastgen work. Once PD gets access to PBR it's game over for all other devs. Perfect geometry AND perfect materials, it's gonna blow us away.
Some textures comparison between GT6/FM5 on Mount Panorama Circuit (new to both series).
The top image looks horrid on my 46" 1080p Sharp's screen. The bottom image looks clean and impressive on the big screen.
Are people looking at this stuff on cell phones or 15" screens as thumbnails?
The polycount is obviously very low, there are mountains that are literally the shape of a triangle at the top in some shots. Hey, lets zoooom out and show a massive bad looking terrain with tiny poly count mountains and a lo-res textured land mass that barely would pass in a flight sim from 10 years ago.
Why are we having a theoretical conversation about what GT7 will probably look like too?
That stuff looks awful on a bigscreen at 1080p. What in the world are you guys viewing this stuff on?
Tessellation really is a godsend. Wiring never looked so good.
Nope, we're not even close to being detailed enough in terms of polycount. For instance, this has 42 million polygons:
http://andrejstefancik.blogspot.com.br/2015/01/porsche-911-gt3-update-6_22.html
Psycho_Mantis
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Some of the new GT6 tracks (like Bathurst) are in a huge 3d environment that spans through dozens of miles around the actual track, as opposed to being just a 360° image in the background like in Forza 5 or older GT tracks.
There's more than four now. Sierra and I think Red Bull Ring are like that too.
So these could be potential course maker areas?
TheAdmiester
Member
The Forza one looks better because of the real paint effect on the car.
psn
Member
Still not good footage of GTA V, because the car is matte. Looks much better with that glossy or metallic paint.
eso76
Member
Eeeh, they get it much better than any other dev, tbh,
For GT5/6 they were held back by hardware (stuff like orange peel, light refraction on headlights etc) but anything else looked and STILL looks ahead of its next gen competition.
I am still unsure when tessellation kicks in though. I believe photomode/travel only ?
Well, to each their own I guess, to me the lighting in GT6 looks much better, along with perfect geometry and better materials around the light bulb. The paint material is the only thing that looks really good in fm5 but even then it's downgraded heavily during gameplay which kinda kills the point of it.
Some of the new GT6 tracks (like Bathurst) are in a huge 3d environment that spans through dozens of miles around the actual track, as opposed to being just a 360° image in the background like in Forza 5 or older GT tracks.
Well, I don't doubt they are present as assets in-game but they are not rendered when you are driving. If this would be the case the game would run at several seconds or minutes per frame. Doesn't mean you can't look at it using the engine, though.
TheAdmiester
Member
The paint is exactly the same in gameplay in FM5. Can't speak for FH2.
Yup. You can see the drop off in detail outside of the track too, just because it's there doesn't mean it might be usable. I wonder if it contributes to GT's framerate problems.
SolidSnakex
Member
It's worth noting that Polyphony were obsessed with materials since last gen. You can see a good example of them matching the material look here
But they were still bound by the PS3's limitations. So there's only so much they could do to make them look realistic, even in the photo travel area.
Yes, that's what everyone thinks will happen.
If the course maker ever comes out.
Still more impressive and demanding than a picture as the background, especially considering that's on a last gen console.
It looks worse because the reflections are downgraded to simple environment maps that vaguely resemble the track you're racing on, it's not present on AI cars at all giving it a strange look.
But they are rendered when you're driving, since that's where the scenery you see on the track is coming from.
Sure, it may be lacking in details, but the point remains: there's some geometry to render here.
No, it's not.
There is nothing more impressive in the bottom image than the top. Not one thing.
Also, that view going into the distance in Forza is not JUST a 2D backdrop. The poly-count of the first half inch of landscape in the top image is probably double (10x?) that of the entire bottom one.
On a full size HD set, especially during gameplay, it just isn't close. Ignoring Forza's messed up yellow tint...it just isn't.
Also, in real life, you can't see those buildings like that on Bathurst. The trees are really thick in that area around them. It's not just a bunch of pointy ones randomly in the middle of them.
What do you see while driving? The post I was replying to has images. Please provide gameplay screenshots which tell us what from those pictures is really rendered into the scenery.
Damn, this is pretty awesome, especially when you consider that GT6 is a PS3 game.Some of the new GT6 tracks (like Bathurst) are in a huge 3d environment that spans through dozens of miles around the actual track, as opposed to being just a 360° image in the background like in Forza 5 or older GT tracks.
There's more than four now. Sierra and I think Red Bull Ring are like that too.
No, it's not.
There is nothing more impressive in the bottom image than the top. Not one thing.
Also, that view going into the distance in Forza is not JUST a 2D backdrop. The poly-count of the first half inch of landscape in the top image is probably double (10x?) that of the entire bottom one.
On a full size HD set, especially during gameplay, it just isn't close. Ignoring Forza's messed up yellow tint...it just isn't.
Also, in real life, you can't see those buildings like that on Bathurst. The trees are really thick in that area around them. It's not just a bunch of pointy ones randomly in the middle of them.
I'd say that the amount of buildings is definitely more impressive in GT6, yes.
Beyond the hotel I don't see any in Forza 5, maybe because that's where the geometry ends? Its kinda hard to tell by that picture...
bull.Also, in real life, you can't see those buildings like that on Bathurst. The trees are really thick in that area around them. It's not just a bunch of pointy ones randomly in the middle of them.
No, it's not.
There is nothing more impressive in the bottom image than the top. Not one thing.
Also, that view going into the distance in Forza is not JUST a 2D backdrop. The poly-count of the first half inch of landscape in the top image is probably double (10x?) that of the entire bottom one.
On a full size HD set, especially during gameplay, it just isn't close. Ignoring Forza's messed up yellow tint...it just isn't.
Also, in real life, you can't see those buildings like that on Bathurst. The trees are really thick in that area around them. It's not just a bunch of pointy ones randomly in the middle of them.
This is what the real thing looks like.
GT gets pretty damn close if you ask me.
This thread has become a trainwreck...people posting screenshots and claiming things they don't even have a clue about... and the blatant anti-Forza/MS trolling by ShamePain is also kinda shameful /punintended...
Can we go back to some a little bit more constructive discussion like track accuracy, physics, etch in NEXT GEN racing games like the thread title indicates?
Can we go back to some a little bit more constructive discussion like track accuracy, physics, etch in NEXT GEN racing games like the thread title indicates?
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Sweet Jesus.
I wonder how they'll improve reflections in realtime and offline multi-second render scenarios. Could we see some ray-tracing implementation, in smaller photo-shoot locations at least?
Yes, that's my opinion, too. I think we now know quite good from the high post count from many here who has which preference but it would be nice to get back to the actual talk instead of what's happening the last days in here.
Why exactly do you want to discuss things other than graphics in a graphics thread? That's what is already being discussed, track accuracy.
You calling people clueless instead of contributing to the thread is actually more trolling than any comment I've seen so far. Other than that caddle guy who was banned for calling people fools earlier.
Maybe you should read the thread title again.
Should have hyped even more. Easily the best current gen racing game and looks absolutely marvelous.
Not many people are sharing pictures of it though. I personally would like to see some here to mix things up a bit.
TheAdmiester
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"(Next gen means current gen)"
Thread is from 2014, meaning that even at that time, the PS4/Xbox One gen is the current gen. GT6 shouldn't be part of the discussion, so he's right.
He was talking about physics comparisons which don't belong here. As for GT6, I don't know, graphically it still gives currentgen a run for it's money, technologically it certainly belongs in the discussion, but if mods say it's out of bounds, then so be it.
I'm not sure what the mods think of it but these type of threads in the past were created as a catchall to stop other threads from going off topic with comparisons.
This set of rules were from the other mod created next gen comparison thread
If anything it's the rules about personal attacks and images of other games like Ryse and The Order (all of which have been broken in this thread) which are frowned upon. Rule number 7 actually permitted last gen in the other next gen thread because comparisons were bound to happen.
There are many gameplay videos available on the net to check by yourself.
These are horribly compressed, but you can still see the buildings and all the shit rendered in the distance:
Wax Free Vanilla
Member
(Red Bull Ring isn't one of these big open environments)
GPS Course Maker is the future. I can't wait to make me some 50 mile tracks.
If only Rushy had listen to me...
Driveclub wouldn't be lumped with a load of shit for tracks
Lol. Yeah the GPS course maker is a huge deal if they ever actually launch it. I'd love to make some tracks.
(Red Bull Ring isn't one of these big open environments)
GPS Course Maker is the future. I can't wait to make me some 50 mile tracks.
If only Rushy had listen to me...
Driveclub wouldn't be lumped with a load of shit for tracks
(Red Bull Ring isn't one of these big open environments)
GPS Course Maker is the future. I can't wait to make me some 50 mile tracks.
If only Rushy had listen to me...
Driveclub wouldn't be lumped with a load of shit for tracks
How do you take these pictures aside from having a custom firmware? Do you just like enable free camera during gameplay or something?
Psycho_Mantis
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How is ShamePain trolling?
GT6 is so good that its considered comparable
(Red Bull Ring isn't one of these big open environments)
GPS Course Maker is the future. I can't wait to make me some 50 mile tracks.
If only Rushy had listen to me...
Driveclub wouldn't be lumped with a load of shit for tracks
You know in that Kaz documentary there was a trackside artist who was saying how she detailed objects/places even if you could never see them in the game.....maybe she knew all along.
This thread is a continuation of this thread, in which the mod even included GT6. lol. If a last-gen game still holds up well and even does things better than current-gen in some ways, I don't see the problem.
I come to this thread to mostly look at nice car pics, not wank over GT6 and shit on every other game, which seems to be like 70% of the chatter here.
And saying things like "Everyone else will be put to shame when PD turn up to PS4" is really just dreaming. We barely know anything about the game yet, for all we know it will have GT4 cars again, reused tracks and have the same background as GT6 because they class it as "good enough!".
It's like me saying Forza 5 was a crock of shit, but Forza 6 will make PD consider leaving the industry because they just can't compete
Gimme dem sick PCars pics, yo!
And saying things like "Everyone else will be put to shame when PD turn up to PS4" is really just dreaming. We barely know anything about the game yet, for all we know it will have GT4 cars again, reused tracks and have the same background as GT6 because they class it as "good enough!".
It's like me saying Forza 5 was a crock of shit, but Forza 6 will make PD consider leaving the industry because they just can't compete
which is of course true
Gimme dem sick PCars pics, yo!
TheAdmiester
Member
The worst part is we do actually know this, the standard models are here to stay.
lol
Lack of pCars in this thread is making me sad. Surely someone has something to contribute...
I don't necessarily blame anyone for not wanting to post shots of it. It may be cynical of me, but this thread comes off as a "post shots of a racer you like so others can tear it apart" party over the past couple pages lol. There is good conversation mixed in but then there are some comments that are massive exaggerations. People implying that X game doesn't look good enough to be a part of this thread and stuff like that lol.
Here are some shots I liked in the console screenshot thread of PCars (XB1). The IQ isn't all that great but the game looks fine otherwise.
