leatherhat
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Is Morpheus compatible with pc? Because that's where the bulk of vr content will be.
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VRFocus: Big Morpheus push at Sony presser, half of their booth devoted to it
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Thanks for the rational and civil reply.
For the record, I am open to it succeeding. I just don't think it will for the reasons I listed. At least not for the foreseeable future. But once pricing becomes less of an issue, when it's more refined and when it is integrated into more and more things, then sure.
Handy Fake
Member
You reckon?
Having a closed system with an affordable VR solution will probably appeal to publishers and developers more, saleswise.
You think the bulk of vr content will be video games?
Here's hoping to custom drivers/support from the community because gut feeling says Sony probably won't have official PC support for Morpheus.
Initially, that and porn.
EmptySpace
Banned
your "concerns" aren't based on anything.
1) you don't want to wear something on your head. ooookay. that level of ridiculousness isn't even worth responding to.
2) you have problems with resources. how did you know how much of sony is being devoted to vr? in addition, how much of those opportunity cost is actually something that could've turned out better?
you see, you work if "what ifs" instead of "what is". you are pre-supposing the outcome before even seeing actual results. in addition, you are not only narrow-mindedly dismissing content before you have even played it based on reasons but you are also assuming anything but vr is good. see how that logic isn't even worth discussing?
so yes, i don't even find it a bit constructive about your posts at all.
i can say the same things with just about anything. "why the hell are they even making mlb the show annually when they can make something else!"
there are so many things that come out that you don't like yet i don't see you bitching about how that team could've done something else (which of course is baloney again, considering you and i don't even know if making something else guarantees quality).
But with your first response you basically said PM would only be good for games like The Heist and The Deep, where essentially you are limited to a stationary position, in a room. Those games I mentioned do not limit you to those types of experiences, whatever they present, it is not like The Heist or any of the other similar demos they've shown.
And I get where you are coming from, I imagine quite a few games will hold true to your assessment, but I think that might be due to fact that designing games around VR is an new endeavor, and devs are still working out how best to utilize this medium, not solely because the PS4 is too weak.
leatherhat
Member
The crazy experimental stuff that will make vr worthwhile will come from small teams and individuals working in basements not big publishers
They won't even release drivers for the DS4, so what do you think.
It's cool. I just appreciate you taking the time to explain your view points and side of it. I always think if people take the time to articulate, and put some effort into it. I appreciate that. I admit, not every position some have given, made sense to me. It wasn't an issue of just not agreeing. I actually don't get where some people are coming from.
But at the same time, as long as people are having that discussion, and people are talking. I'm always for that. Regardless of whether we agree or disagree.
Which they will have to remove and create a sku without a headset because the XBO2 and the WII Generations didnt have one and they are considerably cheaper.
On the whole morpheus games would be cheaper to make I believe, so I don't see why developers (especially indies) won't give it a try.
vpance
Member
They are actually the most equipped to discount the device, because of the net positives of bringing customers in to the ecosystem. And they are a display manufacturer..
This is nothing new. Wii, Kinect and Move pre-launch threads were full of the same fail talk.
Mihos
Gold Member
Man, games are like the 'least' exciting thing for me so far. The internet based social stuff and entertainment/sports stuff is going to be why some gamers will reject the hell out of 'wearing crap on their face' only to find it is their mother-in-law and grandparents with the crap strapped to their faces.
I don't think it will be. Which actually is a major concern, and why I think Morpheus won't succeed for Sony. I hope I'm wrong. I have nothing to support that it won't work with PC. I just haven't heard anything about it on that front?
So yeah, hmmm.
Oculus and Steam are what i'm more interested in. But I'm still happy a major company like Sony, is using E3 to talk push the tech. I think it can only be a very positive thing for VR on the whole. I of course, would love for Morpheus to be a success. But I'm honestly not sure, and am personally leaning towards Oculus/Steam VR.
That said, if Sony can get it working really well on a $399 system, that in itself might be a major win for them. I have $3,000 invested in my PC gaming rig, so I suppose it makes more sense for me to be more invested in the PC platform. As well as, I agree the bulk of the content will be there.
Yeah, I mean that's true. It's not like this is ONLY something VR threads face. Although I would like to think, VR is a much more substantial movement (in terms of, more people actually wanting it. And a lot of major companies investing in it, as opposed to Kinect). But I get your point. Wasn't trying to pain VR folks as these victims. Was just saying I get why some people feel burnt out on it. BUT, as long as people are articulating their points, or being reasonable, I have no issue with someone thinking VR will fail.
Holy shit
The craziest thing about the VR boom, is that we've been getting the tech ready and using it for years now... Kinect tech was never meant for gaming on a TV... it was meant for VR.
Another important example of course:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghgbycqb92c
Sticky&Sweet
Banned
Apprehensive.
The point was obviously that vr games on the ps4 will heavily limit what developers can do. They cannot really create the sort of worlds with the degree of fidelity people are expecting unless they either are on rails, take place in voids, or are stationary. All doing the same exact thing - massively reducing the work load of the game. People who think they are going to get, say, uncharted or whatever in vr aren't being realistic. All this was in response to someone rhetorically asking why would sony push vr if the hardware wasn't capable.
Again, compare it to the super fx chip.
Even just traversing real or imagined places with nothing else going on would be amazing.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
If Sony has a big showing of Morpheus and some Morpheus games (they will) and they show some The Last Guardian (they will), then they've won E3 again.
Sorry I am being slightly childish.
Sorry I am being slightly childish.
I don't know. 3D to me was never as ground breaking as VR immersion is. I think if people actually tried it, the response would be a lot different then people experiencing 3D. At least to me, VR is like going from old resolution to HD. 3D was more of a side step in terms of it being cool, I guess?
qa_engineer
Member
haha. so good.
valkillmore
Member
Hell fucking yes
#TLGVR
#TLGVR
VR is like going from 2D sprites to 3D polygons. The way you can experience and can present games is totally changed. 3D tvs didn't change the game experience, just slightly altered how you viewed it which is more comparable to a new resolution.
EmptySpace
Banned
wait 'til virtual tourism kicks off.
it will be "good enough" for most, especially if you want to go to cities/countries which only have 1 or 2 famous landmarks.
imagine being inside the sistine chapel and being able to go up the ceiling to look at the paintings.
or watching the game in the sidelines instead of a broadcast view, all with 3d sounds. depth perception will be there and players won't look "flat".
Mihos
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People still scuba dive.. and that is way more of a pain in the ass
I would actually be up for trying a virtual tour to Tuscany or something. But for gaming hours at a time? No way.
Handy Fake
Member
I think there'll be a good mix. My point was that, as long as Sony make it affordable (God willing, oh God PLEASE), there'll be a huge and pretty much instant userbase that developers and publishers would jump on.
I think with other systems, PC specifically, the specs needed and the price of the actual VR systems would be prohibitive at first. If anything, the closed system of the PS should create a buzz that will benefit Valve, Oculus and other systems further down the line.
In my opinion, naturally.
Oppo
Member
seriously?! is that with R&D? it cannot be component cost. it just can't.
I am impatient.
This is where I disagree with you. I think the novelty of the experience itself will make up for any shorcomings on fidelity of "what people expect", which is nothing, right now.
It uses custom MicroOLED displays. That is $10k in price, and it only displays green and red currently, no blue.
Mihos
Gold Member
Funny, the Tuscany demo was the very first thing I ever saw on Oculus.
And by gaming for hours at a time, the fun stuff isn't playing CoD with stomach whiplash... it's playing table top simulator with your friends across the country.
Uno Venova
Banned
They already have such a bad reputation with pacing, this is just going to tank them even further below expectations.
EmptySpace
Banned
i mean there's just so many ways.
imagine a 360-degree camera underwater with all the coral reefs and sharks and octopi. youtube already has 360-degree videos you can use with your phone.
or being inside a ted talk, or an opera concert.
i mean, there's just so many applications where having vr is just so convenient and nice.
that nasa x sony project with mars as a possible vr experience. i mean, just astounding.
Well, the two minutes reserved for Vita will be given to Morpheus.
I'm excited for VR. Sony needs to have a good strategy to win people over. They have a good brand and can push it hard. I don't mind if they use a good amount of their conference time about Morpheus because they need to. Just hope they don't have their other branches showing up to talk up movies or television. At the very least, cut their time short.
I'm excited for VR. Sony needs to have a good strategy to win people over. They have a good brand and can push it hard. I don't mind if they use a good amount of their conference time about Morpheus because they need to. Just hope they don't have their other branches showing up to talk up movies or television. At the very least, cut their time short.
Mihos
Gold Member
The Mars stuff in the default GearVR gallery sold my wife's parents on it all. And those are just static images from the rover. You really feel as if you should be able to walk around.
Oppo
Member
Oh well then, what you showed is not even viable, despite cost, it's just not ready for anyone yet.
I'm with you Krejlooc but the omission of one of the 3 primary additive colours is a problem
Sony has a big, big incentive to get out in front of VR tech, and the Playstation platform is the easiest and least-controversial way for them to do that. As a company though, Sony has always had a major foot in imaging and production level stuff; personally I think VR will play at least as big a role in therapy and training as games, if not more so; it behooves them to look like leaders in this space early. They will give it more than 2 minutes.Reule said:
It's not just about some cool game experiences, it could be an entire market sector. They are just betting with their strongest brand.
Stuff like that for short spurts would sell me on it more than gaming. As I like to game for hours and don't want to be taken out of the world for that long. Plus, coming out of a fast and action heavy game would be disorienting as hell.
But again, you say the PS4 is limited to those experiences, when I've given you examples of games that stray from that idea. Whatever the case may be regarding the quality of graphics for said titles, they still present an entirely different experience to the games you mentioned.
I'm not saying something like GTA V will be running on PM next summer or anything, I'm just saying the PS4 was made with VR in mind, and that it's not "too weak" to run VR games. Now take that however you want, but that claim has been proven false. At the same time, you mentioned how you can see a game like NMS being utilized for PM (and I believe that is the case as well, and it will be the killer app for PM). If that's the case then the wait for the game and PM is even more unbearable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmwG6Sj1Yfg
Another thing, I never pointed to graphics being on the level of Uncharted or Star Citizen, I never assumed such a thing. I just said it was a silly notion to think VR on PS4 is not capable because it's "too weak", which again has been proven false. I do think games will look good enough for PM, and considering the type of experiences VR brings to the table, the graphics are going to be less of a factor compared to say the actual gameplay or scenario you find yourself in, at least in these early stages of VR development.
Oh – well then, what you showed is not even viable, despite cost, it's just not ready for anyone yet.
I'm with you Krejlooc but the omission of one of the 3 primary additive colours is a problem
The reason was cost. They can obviously add a blue subchannel, but didn't, because of cost
All the examples you gave falls into what I just said: either are on rails, take place in voids, or are stationary. None of your examples strayed from what I said.
You don't have to be photorealistic to be an experience.
shadowsdarknes
Member
PT and The Last Guardian with Morpheus are going to steal the show.
Definitely not. I have played a few really cool VR games like Project Cars, Elite Dangerous, etc... but the non-game did is way more impressive IMO. Apollo 11 is just incredible.
Oppo
Member
Most will be, but no one will care if Adrift is basically on rails (or whatever) because of the novelty of it. No one. The thing is wired, the fidelity is lower, the control scheme is suspect; no one will care.
Even ignoring non-gaming apps, PC always has far more games than on console. That's not going to be any different with VR.
Aces&Eights
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People have a right to be skeptical. We've seen peripherals come and go over the years but I think once someone actually puts on the VR and experiences it first hand then they will see the light. I finally got to use one (occulus) at a friends house and holy shit I couldn't believe what I was experiencing. It's not just up close graphics, it's immersion on a whole other level. Your mind actually tells your inner ear that what you are seeing is real and your body reacts.
Once we have apps like standing on stage with your favorite band for a concert, flying through space, and what I hope will be No Man's Sky then people are going to lose their minds. 400 bucks to be able to go fly around and really, truly FEEL like you are there? Can't get my debit card out fast enough.
Once we have apps like standing on stage with your favorite band for a concert, flying through space, and what I hope will be No Man's Sky then people are going to lose their minds. 400 bucks to be able to go fly around and really, truly FEEL like you are there? Can't get my debit card out fast enough.
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