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Sony is officially helping with funding and development with Shenmue 3
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Dreamwriter
Member
Yes, the game is going to ship with an opening cinema recapping the stories of the first two (that was the first stretch goal). Also, don't be surprised if next year Sega ships a "Shenmue 1&2 Remastered".
Personally I'm fine with this type of Kickstarter, but they need to be upfront about it. They don't need to say who is funding them, just that someone is and the $2 million isn't the entire dev cost.
Well people are reacting as if Sony had the power and the final word.
They very likely didn't. The KS campaign was planned and was gonna happen. And you can't blame Sony for not asking Yu to ditch its KS and fund it completely.
People were saying they wouldn't mind a KS for this game if it would help it get funded so why suddenly now it's a problem is weird.
It's now getting funded, has a huge buzz going around it along with VII and TLG and has fantastic backing rewards to make sure peoples donations aren't just going to nothing.
There's nothing to be upset about.
It's now getting funded, has a huge buzz going around it along with VII and TLG and has fantastic backing rewards to make sure peoples donations aren't just going to nothing.
There's nothing to be upset about.
TheDarkKnight774
Member
No issues with this. Just like Iga's game there were going to be other backers to this project. And when they announced it I knew sony was backing it.
I see this is an evolution of the things Sony was doing with Double Fine and the brining Grim Fandango last year. But its one thing to invest in a niche re-release than a new 3D Dreamcast level game.
And the good news is for people that don't like it, then you can not back it. Its ok, others like me will ensure these games you wish for come out without you backing it until its released.
But i know, i KNOW without kickstarter all the games i've backed wouldn't exist.
There'd be no new Tim Schaefer adventure game, no new Torment, no new wasteland, no new tex murphy game, etc
I see this is an evolution of the things Sony was doing with Double Fine and the brining Grim Fandango last year. But its one thing to invest in a niche re-release than a new 3D Dreamcast level game.
And the good news is for people that don't like it, then you can not back it. Its ok, others like me will ensure these games you wish for come out without you backing it until its released.
But i know, i KNOW without kickstarter all the games i've backed wouldn't exist.
There'd be no new Tim Schaefer adventure game, no new Torment, no new wasteland, no new tex murphy game, etc
Completely agree, but selfishly I'm just happy it's getting made. It's quite insidious though to make the claim that there is no involvement, but then claim heavy involvement once the circumstances are more suitable. For any other game, should they have been up front about it, I wouldn't have backed it since I would have assumed even without Kickstarter they would find other ways to get it sorted - although I'm sure they could explain why that couldn't happen since I likely don't understand the whole area enough
Definitely, I think it's just that this is a platform holder with a vested interest that claimed to have little involvement other than "wanting to show it on our stage", and now has apparently u-turned on that. If they were upfront about their involvement and why they needed to do it via Kickstarter and why it wouldn't happen if the Kickstarter failed, I doubt there would be any issue as long as the explanation was sound
I want this to be a joke post but honestly I can't even tell with this thread.
I'm out. See you all in December, 2017.
PixyJunket
Member
Less visibility, mostly. Far less coverage, etc. Stuff like that.
Hobby projects that are generally considered the essence of crowd-funding will go away when they have to complete with billion dollar corporations using it for Twitter buzz or to eliminate traditional business risk.
goldenpp72
Member
Nope, the first time I had heard about Kickstarter (the double fine game) it was my dream for Shenmue III to go to that platform and become a reality. If Sony wants to use it to grab extra cash to recoup an otherwise likely loss (that's right it would likely lose money if funded and released normally) that's fine by me.
LookAtMeGo
Member
Maybe if this was a new IP I could understand the outrage a bit but its a 15 year old SEGA IP.
Well 15 years since the last one.
Well 15 years since the last one.
RichiRamjag
Member
It really is ridiculous. We all made the choice to donate and we helped to make this happen, this is a great event. Folks are always looking for something to be outraged over rather than take the good news.
I can't believe that people think this game was getting funded after 14 years in limbo
Let's wait 14 more years for another one.
Why such a downer? We are getting Shenmue3 dude!!! I really don't see the issue at all dude
Clarkus Darkus
Member
lol
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Good heavens, Sony, doing marketing research? How absurd. This small, plucky underdog company doesn't have the resources for something like that.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I don't want to actually bother a mod about it. I was just venting because it's one of the more common (and irritating) forms of dumbposting on GAF.
So predictable that certain platform warriors associated with a specific console will have something to gripe about when it comes to this. The game is being made now otherwise it would not. Your love for a specific company should not dictate every opinion. We should all be celebrating that the game is coming and is now being made with a hopefully big budget.
Veritigo_X
Member
People complaining don't seem to understand this.
I'm of two minds of this. On one hand, it's easy to reflexively respond with "well there'd be no game otherwise lmao" and just leave it at that, but I think that's glaringly dishonest in the face of funding from a publisher the size of Sony, who could very well fund the entire thing themselves.
I get the interest-gauging angle, but I feel like that's only part of the story. Since Shenmue 3 will almost certainly be delivered in the standard retail/digital package style with little opportunity to monetize it otherwise (other than maybe some minor things like cosmetic DLC and somesuch), I almost wonder if the Kickstarter is more used as a way to drain as much cash from the more expenditure-friendly consumers as possible. Thinking about it, there's at least four people set to spend $10,000 on just this game - this is the kind of money F2P games get from whales over years of service, and in comparison this game doesn't have enough content for anything beyond preview footage yet. It's effectively pre-orders on crack - get more money for even less preview, and I can't deny that the thought isn't gross.
If there's some silver-lining, I'm sure the funding put in will be put to good use either way. Many folks have pointed out that $2 million is no where near enough to fund something of the scale of Shenmue, and while that's very true, it's also true that such funding can still contribute a significant chunk of the overall development cost - every little bit helps, so if you look at Shenmue's overall funding comprising of Sony's investment + whatever Kickstarter brings in, then there's plenty benefit for the big contributions to the KS anyway. You just have to look past the fact that Sony could've been putting that kind of money there in the first place.
For what it's worth, it being a KS project rather than a purely Sony-funded project is probably the main reason it's PC/PS4 instead of fully exclusive, so I suppose that can be seen as a benefit in it's own right.
I get the interest-gauging angle, but I feel like that's only part of the story. Since Shenmue 3 will almost certainly be delivered in the standard retail/digital package style with little opportunity to monetize it otherwise (other than maybe some minor things like cosmetic DLC and somesuch), I almost wonder if the Kickstarter is more used as a way to drain as much cash from the more expenditure-friendly consumers as possible. Thinking about it, there's at least four people set to spend $10,000 on just this game - this is the kind of money F2P games get from whales over years of service, and in comparison this game doesn't have enough content for anything beyond preview footage yet. It's effectively pre-orders on crack - get more money for even less preview, and I can't deny that the thought isn't gross.
If there's some silver-lining, I'm sure the funding put in will be put to good use either way. Many folks have pointed out that $2 million is no where near enough to fund something of the scale of Shenmue, and while that's very true, it's also true that such funding can still contribute a significant chunk of the overall development cost - every little bit helps, so if you look at Shenmue's overall funding comprising of Sony's investment + whatever Kickstarter brings in, then there's plenty benefit for the big contributions to the KS anyway. You just have to look past the fact that Sony could've been putting that kind of money there in the first place.
For what it's worth, it being a KS project rather than a purely Sony-funded project is probably the main reason it's PC/PS4 instead of fully exclusive, so I suppose that can be seen as a benefit in it's own right.
Oh man, so great...
I'm actually motivated to play through my copy of Shenmue 2 for xbox now. I haven't bothered before because why would I? Story would never be finished. Now it will be. I loved the original Shenmue.
SkylineRKR
Member
Oh man my Ps4 will get the entire trilogy... i'm getting sickkk
I mean, Sega will surely capitalize on this exposure or strike a deal, right? Shenmue HD should've been finalized about 2 years ago.
I mean, Sega will surely capitalize on this exposure or strike a deal, right? Shenmue HD should've been finalized about 2 years ago.
John Bender
Banned
Gonna back the hell out of this Kickstarter.
Some people really thought 2 million are enough for Shenmue 3?
lol Of cour you need the backup of a big guy like Sony.
All is good! Shenmue is happening now.
That's all we fans wanted.
Bring it!
Some people really thought 2 million are enough for Shenmue 3?
lol Of cour you need the backup of a big guy like Sony.
All is good! Shenmue is happening now.
That's all we fans wanted.
Bring it!
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
yes, this is what it comes down to.
the 2 million dollars already raised is now infinitely more secure of seeing a return now that Sony has stepped into this.
2 million wasn't getting you a game by itself. the 2 million is the catalyst for getting Sony to get you the game
Audioboxer
Member
I really hope we can hire someone from DetectiveGAF on a cheap enough hourly rate to scour this whole thread and take note of everyone who has said they're out and/or boycotting.
Then store that list in a locked vault till release, and then cross reference with everyone in the OT. Sure we will have lots of grey names by then, but some of you will be caught.
DetectiveGAF assemble.
Then store that list in a locked vault till release, and then cross reference with everyone in the OT. Sure we will have lots of grey names by then, but some of you will be caught.
DetectiveGAF assemble.
FTFY
WrenchNinja
Member
Maybe if Microsoft had ponied you'd got one there
Projects that enter Kickstarter aren't hobbies. They are independent development. It's all business.
The fact that you can pledge $30 to get a game that is probably going to retail at a higher price and to have it equated as an 'exploitation' just makes my head spin.
Also the calling for Sony to refund the cash. I understand if you're personally uncomfortable with this whole situation and no longer feel like you're willing to pledge the money anymore.
But from my understanding, you're able to pull your pledges anyway. So...why would you want them to cancel the KS then?
freeofgreed
Member
What?
Not sure what's so funny about what I said. This was a move to gauge interest in the game. Now that that's been fulfilled is there any reason to keep the kickstarter up?
Patapwn
Member
CheDominik
Member
I'll gladly take my copy of Shenmue for 30 bucks. Does that make me a whale?
Veritigo_X
Member
Is that what this is about?
maquiladora
Member
Justify taking advantage of someone else money? What does that even mean? Sony are being open about their involvement in this less than 24 hours after the game was announced and everyone who has pledged is free to remove their funding at any time over the next 31 days if there is something about this they don't like.
And_Gignac
Member
I really don't see how having 35k supporters (as of now) guarantees Sony that this game will be a hit. I
mean, you can make market analysis research and you would get similar answers. The kickstarter is just a PR thing. And it's fine, but i don't find it ethical. People dismissing the ethical implications well, there's a lot to say out of that.
Suzuki couldn't fund it by himself or through Kickstarter alone. A $2M Kickstarter goal is already one of the larger ones, and a proper Shenmue game would take at least $10M to make. Suzuki needed someone big to provide for the shortfall, and Sony stepped in.
What I've learned from my short time here on GAF is that if you don't get the Mods involved than these people start thinking its okay to do their shit and keep doing it.
Its moderation, its his job.
amstradcpc
Member
yeah, but Sony wasnt the publisher investing.Thats not fair guy.What a world.How they dare.
One serious thing: if you loved Shenmue games and wanted a Shenmue 3 you are happy
Its on PC as well. It isnt exclusive.
And there's no evidence they wouldn't have otherwise: it really goes both ways. I think they could, since I believe that the budget for a game like this is much bigger than $2,000,000. Maintaining that trend of thought, I also think there are other ways to evaluate market viability, ways that don't involve ask people to fund a game that is already funded. But it's just an assumption, which is the reason you believe they couldn't make this game happen by other means, and that's perfectly ok.
If the game turns out good, I'll buy it as any other. And repeating myself: I'm happy that it's happening. I just think that it's okay to question things, that's all.
Mendax
Member
what else. not "ethics"
This game is going to lose money after release.
DC1
Member
Here's the deal.
You nor I have insight into the structure of the investment group that backed the KS concept for a measure of market adoption.
However you and I can be sure that Sony engage into a mutual agreement where they (Sony) would grant exposure with or without the commitment of capped founding provided certain threshold are achieved through the KS.
If successful, then the game will come to market and all parties will rejoice.
If unsuccessful, then ..we tried and my pockets have enough cash to buy my last beer for the night.
They basically told him they would support him and back a large portion of the project if consumers showed they were still interested. You know the series that's been irrelevant for fourteen years and never came out on PlayStation. The kickstarter has shown that the demand is still there, so therefore the project moves ahead.
People keep saying "they should refund people then." Number 1, no money has been taken, and number 2 if every kickstarter worked that way then the site wouldn't exist. People can fake pledge anything and not buy it later. Learn how to business please.
People keep saying "they should refund people then." Number 1, no money has been taken, and number 2 if every kickstarter worked that way then the site wouldn't exist. People can fake pledge anything and not buy it later. Learn how to business please.
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