So, is this a game one could enjoy if they've never played the previous Shenmues?
I admit, I know nothing about it but I am curious.
Also, I think it's completely fair for them to gauge this. I mean if it doesn't reach goal, no one pays anything. And if it does, since they already had serious backers (like Sony), it will be made. I'd be better though if they would say who was backing it before it meets goals so you can decide if you trust those companies to get it done if it makes the goal.
how is this backwards from what is suspected? This is probably exactly what happened almost without doubt.
If Sony went to own the IP they would get money back from all sales, and they wouldn't make a PC edition, they saw this as a way to get good PR while getting another game....
Definitely not mad. I just prefer a different funding model.
They're puttin money in and gettin money out. One can blame the wording but it's not like Boyes had an inspiration in the moment, those things are scripted and tested. They said something to negate risk, kept silent, and then came out on top when the situation meant only good things.
I think it's a sneaky practice
Almost every "big" kickstarter project has used kickstarter funds in addition to publisher investment. Pillars of Eternity, Yooka-Laylee, Bloodstained all did the same thing.
Crazy talk. There were more than enough publishers which were ready to pay for it but they just waited until Kickatarter became a thing and to lose unecessary money this way.
Less visibility, mostly. Far less coverage, etc. Stuff like that.How will it hurt them. Please do explain.
So to the real Shenmue fans out there; are any of you actually outraged by this initiative?
Same. If people want to drown in their own salt just because they can't use their brain and think reasonably, that's their choice. What a shitshow over what should be fantastic news to fans of the series.
Definitely not mad. I just prefer a different funding model.
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Really not a fan of this approach.
yes and do you know of other ways to gauge legitimate interest without spending a shitload on market research and while actually creating some working captial for the project?
I'll wait, I have a pen and paper.
PM Bish, he can and has done it before.
Almost every "big" kickstarter project has used kickstarter funds in addition to publisher investment. Pillars of Eternity, Yooka-Laylee, Bloodstained all did the same thing.
Shenmue III was announced in 2015. We are living in a weird and wonderful time.
The point to take away from this is that Sony could afford it, Sega could afford it. The problem is Shenmue, regardless of how critically acclaimed, is a FINANCIAL failure and cost Sega a lot of money.
Now, if people really wanted the game, they were putting their money where their mouth is. I would rather the decisions on a game like this be left to fans of the game rather than someone who, for 15 years, weighed up the options and decided Shenmue III was not viable and would continue to come to the same conclusion.
I have no doubt there was a deal in place but I'm also certain that funding only came about because they were able to get $2m in funding. At that point, there's less risk on Sony because there's an obvious demand. That $2m secures people the game and additional items, it's not just handing over money and getting nothing back. In fact, Sony's funding makes the return more, not less, likely on those "preorders" and if someone wants to spend $10,000 to get dinner or a jacket, who are you to stop them?
Shenmue III was announced in 2015 and people on GAF are complaining about it. We are living in a weird and wonderful time.
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Less visibility, mostly. Far less coverage, etc. Stuff like that.
Hobby projects that are generally considered the essence of crowd-funding will go away when they have to complete with billion dollar corporations using it for Twitter buzz or to eliminate traditional business risk.
I read "this is a scam by Sony" and "people are being exploited" even though the game is being offered for $30.
Close enough?
Yeah, all those people who bought it for $30 now get to pay $60. Great idea.
All you can do is laugh at this thread.
*sigh* please just stop
:lol that's a nice way to spin it. There's interest, the goal has been met, why not stop it now and just open a pre-order page? Because they want the free money whales give them
Definitely not mad. I just prefer a different funding model.
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What about WiiU? No?Maybe if Microsoft had ponied you'd got one there
So? What's the difference? Aside from the owning part which I obviously know and understand 100%. Or are you trying to justify taking advantage of someone else money while still keeping the exclusivity deal with the fact that they don't own the IP, is that your argument? Because if so, never mind, I think I actually got your point
They do. And those beancounters came up with the reasonable conclusion that Shenmue is a money loser. That's why they went to Kickstarter to see if it's still worthwhile to make the game.
Suzuki couldn't fund it by himself or through Kickstarter alone. A $2M Kickstarter goal is already one of the larger ones, and a proper Shenmue game would take at least $10M to make. Suzuki needed someone big to provide for the shortfall, and Sony stepped in.Guys, what if you have it all backwards ?
My guess is that Yu was going to launch a KS campaign for Shenmue 3 anyway. He already has the rights, he doesn't need anyone. And he was probably motivated by all the recent success like Bloodstained. And they would have campaigned for a PC only release (look at the KS campaign, the emphasis is completely on PC, not PS4).
Sony heard of this and went to Yu. They offered to give them E3 exposure and offered to pitch in for the financing on the condition that 1/ the goal is reacher and 2/ the game comes to PS4 as a console exclusive.
And that's pretty much it. It completely makes sense.
I don't want to actually bother a mod about it. I was just venting because it's one of the more common (and irritating) forms of dumbposting on GAF.
yeah, but Sony wasnt the publisher investing.Thats not fair guy.What a world.How they dare.Almost every "big" kickstarter project has used kickstarter funds in addition to publisher investment. Pillars of Eternity, Yooka-Laylee, Bloodstained all did the same thing.
None of those games could be made with their stated budget goal.
What about WiiU? No?
Then it IS an exclusive.
Ok so you are going to spin in circles around it. There's been no indication that Sony would have fully funded this game without Kickstarter. Maybe they should have put that notice, but I don't know if that would have damaged the game enough so it doesn't get made. But it is getting made and the people who read all the content will get everything they paid for. There was 0 mention that it would come on anything else.
I'm going to be happy that I will pay for this game for 70$ when it is out while you complain that the only way to get the game to be made was done since it was a little shady
Is that what this is about?
Not sure what's so funny about what I said. This was a move to gauge interest in the game. Now that that's been fulfilled is there any reason to keep the kickstarter up?
And what? It means they still have nothing to do with this game besides handing over money and resources. This isn't boxed for Sony Computer Entertainment Studios.
This is boxed under who ever this mysterious publisher for this game will be. What are you not understanding. Sony does not OWN this