I should have been more carefully with my words, I'm not trying to start a debate.
I honed in on the AI piece of the job postings and that's what came to my mind.
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GT7 Developer Polyphony Goes on Hiring Spree
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I should have been more carefully with my words, I'm not trying to start a debate.
I honed in on the AI piece of the job postings and that's what came to my mind.
It's not that I don't understand the concept of a loss leader but we don't really know if the Forza series for certain falls into that category. Are there hard numbers for it and do they line up with MS's expectations for it? FM5 is the first entry in their Motorsport series to go both disc and digital and they don't tend to reveal those numbers. There's also all those car pack/season pass DLC's that are additional revenue for the series.
We know that the GT series usually pulls in good sales because they've been revealed aside from maybe GT6 which we don't know much about unless Sony or NPD's revealed those numbers and I missed it.
MaxwellParrish
Member
The info in that legal case were possibly Chartz number and anyway were provided only 6 months after the release of GT6, that clearly coudn't have a good start thanks to launching a mere week after the PS4.
Don't want this to turn in to a franchise comparison thing, but I doubt that is the case. They both excel in different areas, and Forza has as much catching up up to do with GT as vice versa.
Agreed
nismopower
Member
Glad too see PD expanding their crew.
Im a huge gt fan, and also a day one forza fan. But in my opinion, gt doesnt need to catch up to forza. They do their things different, but gt is the better series in my eyes. They dare to try new stuff as one of the first in the scene. Also Kaz is such a perfectionist, and gt games show this.
Sure it has problems, but so do forza games. But damn gt5 with nordschleife in the dark with rain in 2010, was just the best gaming experience i had last gen. Forza never came close to that fealing.
Gt7 will be a masterpiece. Better sounds, dynamisc weather and day night. Beautifull graphics. And hopefully stable 60fps, but some drops dont matter for me.
So come on sony show me gt7 as soon as possible!!
Im a huge gt fan, and also a day one forza fan. But in my opinion, gt doesnt need to catch up to forza. They do their things different, but gt is the better series in my eyes. They dare to try new stuff as one of the first in the scene. Also Kaz is such a perfectionist, and gt games show this.
Sure it has problems, but so do forza games. But damn gt5 with nordschleife in the dark with rain in 2010, was just the best gaming experience i had last gen. Forza never came close to that fealing.
Gt7 will be a masterpiece. Better sounds, dynamisc weather and day night. Beautifull graphics. And hopefully stable 60fps, but some drops dont matter for me.
So come on sony show me gt7 as soon as possible!!
Yautja_Warrior
Member
It's been in development since late 2013 / early 2014 and Kazunori Yamauchi has said they are finding PS4 much easier to work with and want the game to be out before 2017, so hopefully we won't have a massive delay like what happened with GT5.
Also with the recent Bugatti pics (PS4 blue Bugatti with a 16 on the front, another pic of 7 pit crew in the same blue and a video of Kaz driving a classic Bugatti Type 51) I would say 2016 is very likely, with announcement at pne of the next shows this year.
Also with the recent Bugatti pics (PS4 blue Bugatti with a 16 on the front, another pic of 7 pit crew in the same blue and a video of Kaz driving a classic Bugatti Type 51) I would say 2016 is very likely, with announcement at pne of the next shows this year.
Both Forza and GT do different things and have prioritized pushing various aspects due to their different histories. I don't think either is solely playing catch up to the other. In fact both of them could also take a few lessons for Project Cars and Assetto Corsa and vice versa.
Vicetrailia
Member
That's what I hope will happen, but also not without all of the bells and whistles experienced in GT6. And then of course, they gotta add more!
So much wrong in a single post I don't even know where to begin. Turn10 have a 2 year dev cycle for their Forza games which to most people seems pretty quick but is according to you nuts. Also the GT name is big because it's not an annual release in fact one of the quickest ways to devalue a brand is to release too many of them too fast (like Tony Hawk, Guitar Hero, Sonic etc).
So baked lighting and static weather are the differences that make racing games great? Come on man...I prefer GT to Forza personally...but there are LOTS of areas where GT needs to play catch up...
GT brings dynamic lighting and time of day...but can't hold a steady framerate or keep itself from tearing frames...
Forza is also exponentially more in touch with what the public wants from a racing game...it also doesn't have assets left over from previous console generations...
crazepharmacist
Member
Just bring back shuffle racing and I'll buy it.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
How did we start talking about forza? And how did people start saying gt needs to catch up to it? Catch up to what exactly.
Anyway i wanna believe this is coming next year, i can only imagine how much love is going into this as the first(and judging by how they operate)and only Gt for the ps4
Anyway i wanna believe this is coming next year, i can only imagine how much love is going into this as the first(and judging by how they operate)and only Gt for the ps4
I got a good laugh out of this. Not at you, cause your post was fine. It's just a very NeoGAF moment.
thelastword
Banned
It's going to be worth the wait though.....Even PS3 assets need to go.
Sales numbers don't support that contention. It seems like the bulk of the racing game buying public who live in Europe favor the GT approach.
A.I. isn't that bad. Really! Well, improvements are welcome.
2nd bolded...Guys, do you know what that means? Finally that True Audio DSP will be used properly! True 3D sound! Like that Virtual "Barber shop" ( listen only with headphones and close your eyes ) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUDTlvagjJA
AstoundSound 3D demo :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKnhcsRTNME
3rd bolded....GPGPU compute for physics, yes, yes, yes!!!
It's not exponentially more in touch. I find Forza's approach to be a bit lacking. It's not arcadey enough to be fun, and it's not precise enough to be gripping as a simulator. It's just in this awkward middle ground with really nice polish.
But it's also not trying to be GT so it doesn't have to worry about that. GT isn't trying to be Forza.
Paladin CL
Member
Good for Polyphony, they are in a point where GT is not being as big as its been. I hope this bring more inovation and polishing above all.
For a studio with ~200 devs, getting 13 new people is not a hiring spree.
And if they are indeed hiring big, they should get some community managers. They are studio with one of the worst relations with their fans, with almost zero interactions outside of conventions/various events.
And if they are indeed hiring big, they should get some community managers. They are studio with one of the worst relations with their fans, with almost zero interactions outside of conventions/various events.
Much less. ~140
SolidSnakex
Member
They have an online specific studio setup in Tokyo. I think that it handles all of the online aspects of the game.
The framerate and tearing issues are definitely there, but how much of it comes down to the hardware they were on? Kaz has talked about how difficult and limiting the PS3 was for them. They couldn't even do the heat haze effect that we saw on the PS2. But it was still important for them to build those systems last gen so that they didn't have to go through all the trouble of figuring out how they work this gen. Now they can focus on improving them for the PS4.
Neuromancer
Member
Ooh rally. I hope it's proper timed point to point rally, and not just regular races on dirt as it was in GT6.
You can force VSync on in the game graphics menu in GT5&6, and it will rid of the tearing.
SolidSnakex
Member
Point to point has been in the plans since GT5 as there were those course maker images showing PtP settings. If there's no preset drag racing locations in GT7, then a course maker PtP would solve that.
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
In photo mode maybeI expect premium car models, lighting and textures to look close to this
What were the sales like for F5? Honest question, because we know GT6 tanked in comparison to previous entries...
Whatever the reason for the framerate issues, it comes down to the developer to properly utilize the hardware...its actually quite funny, because the most ardent GT fans like to point to Forza being less of a hardcore sim than GT...and I tend to agree...but they also gloss over the glaring performance issues that the past two entries in particular have had, when framerate is probably the most important performance factor of a true sim, outside of its physics engine...
Anddddd the framerate?
Framerate issues remain, but you mentioned the game can't keep itself from tearing frames, which isn't true.
SolidSnakex
Member
Insane Metal
Gold Member
I'd put a $100 on that they will do the prologue a year or so out thing again. It'll look amazing and max out the hype-o-meter and it'll bring in the $$$ like mad.
Remember how long GT5 took to make? GT5 prologue meant it was already in the black at launch, GT5 sales were pure gravy.
I could see GT7 prologue next year, GT7 2018 or holiday 2017 at the absolute earliest.
Remember how long GT5 took to make? GT5 prologue meant it was already in the black at launch, GT5 sales were pure gravy.
I could see GT7 prologue next year, GT7 2018 or holiday 2017 at the absolute earliest.
Turn10 has a really good pipeline and is only making mainline Forza games. Horizon is done by Playground. And no, GT games are neither more robust nor better games. There's a reason Forza's the best-rated racing series of all time.
Turn10 will likely only have one additional game out before Poly launches their next game (GT6 launched after Forza 5). No point counting Forza Horizon because that's made by a different studio altogether. But to answer your question, Poly has a smaller number of developers (by a fair margin) and tends to release more content rich titles. Whilst Turn10's releases may be more polished in many areas, the GT games are already offering certain key features that won't even exist in Forza 6 (Eg number of tracks, dynamic time of day and dynamic weather etc). It's not that cut and dry.
No prologue.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Oh damn, it's a Japanese company well I can't work for them if I don't understand the language.
SlaughterX
Banned
Forza 7 will probably still come out first.
I mean Forza has sold a fraction of what GT has...also Forza 5 was a disaster. Hopefully Forza 6 doesn't follow that.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
It still has shitty car sounds, and 80% cars treated as 2nd hand material with bad cockpit view.
They need to focus on small and make those things perfect. Now GT is more about quantity then quality. At least that's the way I see it. I hope GT7 is awesome.
Disaster? I wouldn't call it that. It was a solid launch title. Less content, but whatever was there, it was awesome.
It's not actually accurate either if going by critical reception. GT actually has a higher meta average across its six main titles than Forza has across its five. The last GT was also better received than the last Forza game. It'd only be fair to say that Forza is a higher rated franchise if sticking exclusively to the last generation of consoles only. Personally I think which people prefer is going to be a completely subjective thing, and that neither is obviously better than the other. They excel in different areas.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
People here seriously think PS4 is capable of running a game like GT7 on a VR? lmao the graphics has to be so toned down to maintain a proper fps its not even funny.
Imagine the marketing, here play this game which looks better without the VR but buy VR?
So you've seen GT7 in the flesh then? Because unless you have, I don't honestly see how you can make that claim.
Also - the toning down could be something other than dropping graphical fidelity - fewer cars on track (which has been speculated how PCars will manage it) for example, or limiting the VR races to specific times of day, no weather and so on
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
No I have not. But I have seen some VR games, and specs it requires to run those games. So first of all, GT7 is going to be a looker, because every GT game has been pushing PlayStation hardware. And I can imagine what it could look like. just look at Uncharted 4 for an example, the compromises they will have to make to run that thing smooth on VR would be crazy. They can't even run that thing at 60fps on PS4 ATM. And they are ND, one of the finest developers we have in the industry.