SolidSnakex
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Assuming it's about outsourcing, I guess it'd just depend on whether they'd agree to asset sharing (obviously cars).
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GT7 Developer Polyphony Goes on Hiring Spree
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Assuming it's about outsourcing, I guess it'd just depend on whether they'd agree to asset sharing (obviously cars).
Sony coming out and announcing and confirming the release date wouldn't make it any more official, as Kaz can delay the game if he wants. It's the same case here.
I think that if they're ever outsourcing anything it would probably be some placeholder models for the standards, so they can keep them until their own modellers have time to do a full premium version from scratch.
And that would be the best solution imo. Outsource RUF quality models for all the 700 standards, put a Driveclub style dashcam as their default interior view (so only the top of the dashboard would need to be modelled) and call it a day.
BibiMaghoo
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They could have a new Forza out every 6 months and it probably wouldn't change the fact that it feels like I'm playing a shitty car commercial every time I start it up. I mean I get that product placement and marketing agreements are a thing, but Forza has a severe lack of subtlety and grace when it comes to that, and GT seems to mix it all well with a sincere passion that the developers have for cars.
Forza: Here's a generic suburban family car. We're pretty darn sure that you loved driving it! HERE, have some brand loyalty XP points! No need to thank us, in fact have some more! You certainly love X brand don't you?! Your X brand loyalty is now at level 4.
Forza: Here's a generic suburban family car. We're pretty darn sure that you loved driving it! HERE, have some brand loyalty XP points! No need to thank us, in fact have some more! You certainly love X brand don't you?! Your X brand loyalty is now at level 4.
I don't buy the loss leader thing, if it had such poor sales they probably wouldn't keep making them.
As for it being the answer to GT, that's long since been the case but Turn 10's been able to crank out 2 games already to GT's none so far so it's 2-0. Granted the GT series tends to be bigger in scope but I think we should have seen something by now so I hope that by adding more staff they can get GT7 out by 2016-2017.
Jim Carrey would like to know who you're talking to and what about.
Can you list these 2 games that Turn 10 has cranked out since the last GT?
Grover Cleveland
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I'm assuming you mean 2 Forza main-line games (including yet to be released Forza 6) on X1 compared to 0 GT games on PS4?
Because technically, the last mainline GT was released after the last mainline Forza.
I haven't played Forza 5 but that certainly wasn't the case for Forza 4 which was the best iteration of the series. It had an expansive career mode, altavista mode (although limited to certain cars), Top Gear, and lots of cars and tracks.
The Rewards/Tiers are just bonus stuff that rewards your play so it's strange that anyone would consider that bad.
I'm referring to current gen platforms only so Forza 5 and 6 coming up compared to no GT on PS4 for the forseeable future unless they announce it within the next year.
I understand that they released GT6 on PS3 but I don't know if that was such a good idea.
Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. Nice try though.
How is it irrelevant? Does Sony not have a GT sized hole on the PS4 due to releasing it on the PS3?
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Forza 4 is actually what comes to mind when I say that. It was just a passionless corporate train wreck that only decades of watching American cable television could lubricate for entry.
TheSinkingKnight
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This may not be possible, but would it ever be possible for Polyphony have 2 teams there? One team on GT and another team on something else?
Honestly, Polyphony could learn or borrow a lot from Evolution and specifically Driveclub. For example, with the visual representation of speed and thrill through the visualisation of suspension feedback, bumps, camera shake, camera pull, motion blur and so on. The actual audio reproduction, which I feel DC does among the best of any racer out there. Among other things like aggressiveness of AI, weather implementation (physics based rain particles that are affected by wind, angle, velocity etc), even something as small as mimicking the Dash Cam view.
I'm glad they're hiring for the areas they are, but they needn't look so far.
I'm glad they're hiring for the areas they are, but they needn't look so far.
So you're mainly just referring to the presentation? I didn't have any issues with it gameplay wise.
Grover Cleveland
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*Pure conjecture*
I imagine that the original plan was to have Driveclub be the "Horizon fighter" and spell GT every year/two years.
That was of course before DC's delay and then launch and then Sony downsizing Evo
xrnzaaas
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So the game is 5.2% ready instead or 5.0%?
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I think so, yes. The presentation and gameplay of the GT series made me fall in love with cars as an adult in pretty much the same way that I loved them as a kid. Going from that to Forza was disappointing to me.
As for the gameplay in Forza, it was decent in my opinion but it never really grabbed me. I'm not sure if it was because of my distaste with the presentation, or if it was lacking something else,
Wax Free Vanilla
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- Polyphony wants to improve the situational awareness of AI drivers, and their reactions to the ever-changing conditions of the tracks, giving there a more human-like behaviour.
Sony need to give Crammond a suitcase full of money - his GP4 AI is still better than anything released after it, he would elevate GT's AI to GOAT status.
Arise Sir Geoff.
Sony need to give Crammond a suitcase full of money - his GP4 AI is still better than anything released after it, he would elevate GT's AI to GOAT status.
Arise Sir Geoff.
GravityInsanity
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Gran Turismo 7 Probably Coming Before 2017, Will Have Better Crash Physics
It better come next year!
It better come next year!
Yeap. This is the release that could decide if it's still one of Sony's most prominent IP's, or just another fairly decent seller. Going from 10+ million sales to 2+ million in the same generation has got to hurt. They need to make strides to reclaim that market and mind share.
What?
People still quoting the BS thread with the Chartz numbers?
Anyway, the timing of GT6's release completely justifies its lower sales.
Which is probably why they didn't go with a 2014/15 release
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/yamauchi-says-gran-turismo-7-could-hit-ps4-next-year/0124689
(the article is from Fall 2013)
It looks to me like Fall 2016 it is.
I wasn't going by Chartz numbers, but the Polyphony 2.5 million downloads image, as well as the 2.37m figure from the info they provided in that legal case.
More than anything I want them to implement a more enjoyable career mode. I hate just buying a car to run it in some "themed" race. I'd love a more well crafted career mode that carries you through a sequence of races that are all centered a similar theme. I feel GT2 was really good in this regard, but the series has kind of gotten away from that.
No those were chartz numbers.
That was based on Chartz.
Kralamoonard
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A bit disingenuous OP without crediting the source, even if it's banned (as it looks like you've done all that), so I'd advise a note or edit.
Regarding the topic, I do still think it's on track for a 2017 release although I wouldn't be surprised if the release date slips to an early 2018 release.
Regarding the topic, I do still think it's on track for a 2017 release although I wouldn't be surprised if the release date slips to an early 2018 release.
It sounds like Polyphony are improving their outsourcing operations. Excellent news!
You absolutely don't have to buy it, but the reality is Forza has never pulled in admirable numbers (and never will, unless Turn10 do something out-of-this-world with it). Much like Killzone, Forza was created to counter a major franchise by offering a comparable experience that consumers can look at and say "It's like *insert game here*". If Forza was pulling in comparable numbers to Gran Turismo then I guarantee you there would be a whole lot more Gran Turismo games.
It's important to understand that Microsoft don't look at Forza as a property that will rake in the big bucks. It exists to sell Xboxes (specifically, in Europe) and that's all it has to do -- move a couple of bundles. Not to get 'preachy', but being able to understand market-specific needs (and wants) is really important when looking at why these guys will make or cancel a product. Kinect Sports is another example of a low selling franchise that was created as a pack-in meant to counter a major franchise. Microsoft isn't bothering with it anymore because it did its job -- it countered Wii Sports and moved Xboxes. Now that the market has rejected Kinect, it just doesn't make business sense to make another one.
If you want to learn more about market-specific needs, look at how apparel and footwear companies work. A company like Columbia Sportswear can afford to make a low selling pair of wallets or winter gloves because it costs them almost nothing to make them -- so if they sell almost nothing, they still make enough to justify making them again.
You absolutely don't have to buy it, but the reality is Forza has never pulled in admirable numbers (and never will, unless Turn10 do something out-of-this-world with it). Much like Killzone, Forza was created to counter a major franchise by offering a comparable experience that consumers can look at and say "It's like *insert game here*". If Forza was pulling in comparable numbers to Gran Turismo then I guarantee you there would be a whole lot more Gran Turismo games.
It's important to understand that Microsoft don't look at Forza as a property that will rake in the big bucks. It exists to sell Xboxes (specifically, in Europe) and that's all it has to do -- move a couple of bundles. Not to get 'preachy', but being able to understand market-specific needs (and wants) is really important when looking at why these guys will make or cancel a product. Kinect Sports is another example of a low selling franchise that was created as a pack-in meant to counter a major franchise. Microsoft isn't bothering with it anymore because it did its job -- it countered Wii Sports and moved Xboxes. Now that the market has rejected Kinect, it just doesn't make business sense to make another one.
If you want to learn more about market-specific needs, look at how apparel and footwear companies work. A company like Columbia Sportswear can afford to make a low selling pair of wallets or winter gloves because it costs them almost nothing to make them -- so if they sell almost nothing, they still make enough to justify making them again.
Haha, really? I'm off to read through that thread again then!
Junior member here. Are we not allowed to use ******** numbers?
Edit: V G Chartz where the * are and I guess that answers that.
They are complete guesses, frequently very very off.
I'll explain more what I meant above: Regardless of having accurate sales numbers, it's clear that GT6 was a marked slide in sales from the phenomenon that the previous GTs were. The series did experience a marked fall with GT6, and it's important to impress people when following up something like that.
No prologue this time , already confirmed by Yama.
This is pretty much where I stand. I really don't feel the need for bi-yearly releases of games, especially when that means that risks, innovations and ambitions all get toned down to fit this two-year-cycle. Let them take all the time they need to fully blow me away instead of pooping out a game on a set schedule that has only modest incremental improvements over the last. Every title should be a giant leap forward, I would hate to see them run this franchise into the ground.
I mean fuck, GT5 and GT6 are still being referenced on every page of the racing game graphics thread, boasting a completely dynamic lighting engine that is barely able to be touched even on current-gen systems. That kind of craftsmanship doesn't come cheap nor fast. And that's just visuals.
Take all the time in the world, Kaz.
Fredrik
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Aha didn't know that. Still think 2017 is the year of GT7 though.
MaxwellParrish
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Haven't they already collaborated with other studios for the online structure and similar things ? I know that until now they always kept the assets creation in house, but I'm not sure your quote really indicate outsourcing...
GT is in no need of catching up to a franchise still without dynamic lighting and time of day.