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Microsoft buys Havok from Intel, GAFfers tear skin off while screaming about endtimes

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Jarod McChicken

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Considering Microsoft already earn something like 5 billion dollars each quarter, I wonder how making some royalties from Havok multiplatform games can cause any upheaval.

If anything, having Microsoft excellent engineer team to make the Havok tech evolve is probably going to benefit to everyone, including PlayStation and Nintendo games.
 
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vio

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This could be a good thing. Maybe we will finally get gpu physics on both nvidia and amd, in more games.
 
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gai_shain

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NolbertoS said:
Big news for console gaming. Just googled Havok's portfolio and there engine is mostly used for gaming. Anybody saying that MS bought it for the royalties is deluding themselves, they bought it to get more gaming exclusives. Of course this means Nintendo and Sony will have to partner up with somebody else. Why on earth would Sony or Nintendo pay royalties to the MS corporation?? That would be like Sony buying the UE4 engine and asking MS and Nintendo to pony up cash for royalties. With the minecraft license, I fully expect Nintendo and Sony to try to kill it off with there own version sometime in the future.
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thats not how it works sorry. Those companies arent at war with each other no matter what fanboys will want you to believe
 
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Gnasher

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Minecraft 2 to use havok confirmed!

I imagine this is just a royalties thing, the price must have been right.

I'm a big fan of decent physics in games. I really felt that models reactions to explosions in mgs 5's fox engine was one of the reasons I couldn't be bothered blowing people up. They just flopped on the ground like a dead fish, I want to see some flight damn it!
 
cebri.one

cebri.one

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kinoki

Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Microsoft's current strategy seems to be: buy anything that's profitable. Let's see how this plays out.
 
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Calabi

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SmartWaffles said:
Software wise MS always maintain their stuff well, they are world's most successful software company for a reason, it'll be fine.
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Well not always, I'm thinking of GFWL and their Windows Essentials Defender/Security software, I'm sure there's others I cant think of right now. Maybe they'll fold it into DirectX or something though.
 
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solis74

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Jarod McChicken said:
Considering Microsoft already earn something like 5 billion dollars each quarter, I wonder how making some royalties from Havok multiplatform games can cause any upheaval.

If anything, having Microsoft excellent engineer team to make the Havok tech evolve is probably going to benefit to everyone, including PlayStation and Nintendo games.
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Indeed.
 
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Durante

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c0de said:
That's what I suggested on the previous page. Why did Intel buy them at all?
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I think Havok was bought at a time when Intel considered getting more serious about games (see e.g. also Project Offset). That didn't pan out.

Macrotus said:
Like licensing it for a very cheap price for third party Xbox exclusive titles?
Hmm...
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That's one of the few console-related ideas in this thread which I could actually see happening.
 
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Toro

Banned
NolbertoS said:
Big news for console gaming. Just googled Havok's portfolio and there engine is mostly used for gaming. Anybody saying that MS bought it for the royalties is deluding themselves, they bought it to get more gaming exclusives. Of course this means Nintendo and Sony will have to partner up with somebody else. Why on earth would Sony or Nintendo pay royalties to the MS corporation?? That would be like Sony buying the UE4 engine and asking MS and Nintendo to pony up cash for royalties. With the minecraft license, I fully expect Nintendo and Sony to try to kill it off with there own version sometime in the future.
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lmao, you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Silent Chief

Silent Chief

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Jarod McChicken said:
Considering Microsoft already earn something like 5 billion dollars each quarter, I wonder how making some royalties from Havok multiplatform games can cause any upheaval.

If anything, having Microsoft excellent engineer team to make the Havok tech evolve is probably going to benefit to everyone, including PlayStation and Nintendo games.
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One of my co-worker left to go work for Microsoft in Seattle. Better pay, less likely to get lay off, but he complains about the low level of competence compared to his old team here. Would the "always on" have been implemented in a workplace where everybody can speak his mind?

Havok is based in Dublin, Ireland with teams in Germany and San Francisco. They are currently hiring.
 
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Diddy Kong

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NolbertoS said:
Big news for console gaming. Just googled Havok's portfolio and there engine is mostly used for gaming. Anybody saying that MS bought it for the royalties is deluding themselves, they bought it to get more gaming exclusives. Of course this means Nintendo and Sony will have to partner up with somebody else. Why on earth would Sony or Nintendo pay royalties to the MS corporation?? That would be like Sony buying the UE4 engine and asking MS and Nintendo to pony up cash for royalties. With the minecraft license, I fully expect Nintendo and Sony to try to kill it off with there own version sometime in the future.
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I'll have what he's having.
 
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Trup1aya

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NolbertoS said:
Big news for console gaming. Just googled Havok's portfolio and there engine is mostly used for gaming. Anybody saying that MS bought it for the royalties is deluding themselves, they bought it to get more gaming exclusives. Of course this means Nintendo and Sony will have to partner up with somebody else. Why on earth would Sony or Nintendo pay royalties to the MS corporation?? That would be like Sony buying the UE4 engine and asking MS and Nintendo to pony up cash for royalties. With the minecraft license, I fully expect Nintendo and Sony to try to kill it off with there own version sometime in the future.
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Lol these companies already pay royalties to each other ALL THE TIME... This won't be any different...

Paying royalties to MS, will be cheaper and easier than trying to develop their own middleware. This has nothing to do with exclusives... The whole point of owning middleware is the prospect of licensing it out to as many people as possible...
 
OmegaDL50

OmegaDL50

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The Artisan said:
i guess because now mS is gonna be making money off of playstation games?
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They already do.

As I've said in this thread several times, Visual Studio is one of the tools developers use for development on Playstation 4, along with the Unity Plugin for Visual Studio.

Microsoft owns Visual Studio.

Hell if a developer uses Office for text work, again another Microsoft Product.

Havok changing ownership from Intel to Microsoft in the overall scheme of things changes nothing, other than instead of licensing royalties being given for Intel for use, it's now Microsoft.
 
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Three

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Dreadx_Jecht said:
So what does this mean? Ms makes money from Sony exclusives that use it or do they deny use of it altogether?
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They won't deny use of it I don't think. They may start charging more though which might make some developers change their engines. MS are often quite aggressive with royalties.
 
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protomouse

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I'm having a hard time telling the trolls from the legit obtuse.

Dreadx_Jecht said:
So what does this mean? Ms makes money from Sony exclusives that use it or do they deny use of it altogether?
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It means they make money off of everyone that uses the engine, including Sony. I'm not entirely up to speed on the Havok licensing model, but I'm assuming Microsoft will collect royalties for every copy of Uncharted 4 sold.
 
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Footos22

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protomouse said:
I'm having a hard time telling the trolls from the legit obtuse.



It means they make money off of everyone that uses the engine, including Sony. I'm not entirely up to speed on the Havok licensing model, but I'm assuming Microsoft will collect royalties for every copy of Uncharted 4 sold.
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I doubt it, it's probably just an expensive licensing fee and that's it.I doubt they get royalties on top of that
 
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wildfire

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jaypah said:
Right. So win what? Money? What was at stake? Money? So they couldn't win money so they bought money? Y'all are making this into some sinister crazy fanboy mad scientist shit and it is amazing.

All jokes aside I honestly don't understand your previous post. "What MS can't win, they buy". I'm lost as to the context of this announcement.
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I like you.
 
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Sho_Nuff82

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NolbertoS said:
Big news for console gaming. Just googled Havok's portfolio and there engine is mostly used for gaming. Anybody saying that MS bought it for the royalties is deluding themselves, they bought it to get more gaming exclusives. Of course this means Nintendo and Sony will have to partner up with somebody else. Why on earth would Sony or Nintendo pay royalties to the MS corporation?? That would be like Sony buying the UE4 engine and asking MS and Nintendo to pony up cash for royalties. With the minecraft license, I fully expect Nintendo and Sony to try to kill it off with there own version sometime in the future.
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PLEASE be sarcasm. I honestly can't tell anymore.
 
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etta

my hard graphic balls
Collingwood said:
MS playing it smart. It's like they've conceded the console race and are finding ways to actually profit from losing.

Buy Minecraft and keep it Multiplatform
Now buy Havok and make money off literally every game being made right now given almost everything uses Havok.

Smart moves.

I'm aware Havok is also used outside gaming.
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Pretty much. I wonder what the rate is, though.
 
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Miracle

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NolbertoS said:
Big news for console gaming. Just googled Havok's portfolio and there engine is mostly used for gaming. Anybody saying that MS bought it for the royalties is deluding themselves, they bought it to get more gaming exclusives. Of course this means Nintendo and Sony will have to partner up with somebody else. Why on earth would Sony or Nintendo pay royalties to the MS corporation?? That would be like Sony buying the UE4 engine and asking MS and Nintendo to pony up cash for royalties. With the minecraft license, I fully expect Nintendo and Sony to try to kill it off with there own version sometime in the future.
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Woah. That's just, not correct...at all. Nothing in this rambling, incoherent response is even close to be considered a rational thought.

I award you no points...and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
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timlot

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Just saw Havok on the splash screen when I pop in the Sonic Generation game in the XB360 for my daughter. Its everywhere...
 
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Carn82

Member
I think that people should be aware that MS might not have bought Havok for just for their Physics-related portfolio.
 
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