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[pastrami]

Unless I'm reading this wrong

Sony Games Division: (2015)
Sales: $649 million
Operating Income: $43 million

Nintendo: (2015)
Sales: $946 million
Operating Income: $65 million

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2015/151028e.pdf

MS Games Division: ?

Where did you get Sony numbers? G&NS had $3 billion in sales in Q2, with an operating income of $199 million. Where are you reading sales of $649 million and operating income of $43 million?

Impressive number for Sony. It makes me wonder how large the US market is now. Didn't the PS4 sell less than 1 million in NPR for Q2? So NA could be just 25% of Sony's market? That seems really low.

EDIT: Ah, gofreak figured out where you misread the numbers.

 

[gofreak]

Unless I'm reading this wrong

Sony Games Division: (2015)
Sales: $649 million
Operating Income: $43 million

Nintendo: (2015)
Sales: $946 million
Operating Income: $65 million

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2015/151028e.pdf

MS Games Division: ?

I think you may have confused yen and dollars in Sony's figures.

The dollar figures for the 6 months of 2015 reported for the game division are $5.4bn (649bn yen) sales, $361m (43bn yen) operating income.

 

[tesla246]

Haha, wow, that presentation slide. I miss the days of mud-throwing pr towards the competition, of nintendo and sony. Gaming takes itself way too seriously nowadays.

Anyway, very nice numbers for sony, glad they returned to profit. I just hope their tv division does better in the future, because I love their TV's.

 

[Sidewinder]

I really doubt that Tomb Raider timed exclusive for XB1 deal paid more than all those lost sales would have...

40 million consoles when GT Sport and PSVR comes out. I don't care what anyone says about VR. I'm convinced it's going to sell shitloads, no matter the price (but hopefully under $300/£250!).

I mean, it will outsell Kinect and people will have enough cool, genuine uses for it that none of them will regret their purchase. 40 million potential consumers and growing. Affordable VR that will be a revelatory experience beyond any other single advancement we've ever seen beofre... How can it not sell, seriously?! Sony is showing great support for it and there's already a raft of titles coming to the device. Then there's all the entertainment apps that Sony haven't shown off yet. Remember partnerships with NASA etc. Let people stand on the Moon and show it off to their parents. Wii like success of VR as a platform IS possible.

Mark my words, VR starts with PlayStation 4.

High five! I fully agree, but it really needs a low enough price to get a kickass start, 300$ max or it won't reach the casual audience for some time imho.

 

[cyber_ninja]

don't throw at me, but ain't it funny that this console sells so good even it has by far not all(!) the good features? It has some cool and most of all power, power power. But:
think of a PS4 with snapping Apps, backwards compatibility, the xbox one controller, voice control, windows 10 streaming and ea access - that would be cool. And it would mean 45 millionen sold.
But (in my eyes) unfortunately most of the cool things/features I like are things are on the other side. (Thats why their 14-15 million is good too).
PS4 numbers are fantastic!

Go home, you drunk.

 

[Kinan]

So, here is updated launch aligned graph:

Amazing PS4 sales means that it will keep overpacing PS2 for another quarter or two at least.

After beating Saturn lifetime sales half a year ago, the WiiU is now on track to beat Dreamcast lifetime number during the next quarter. This will be the last success of the console in the sales department, lets hope NX will be significantly more attractive proposition for gamers worldwide.

And X1 is most likely dropped below PS3 curve the quarter, but we will never know for sure. Thanks, MS.

 

[gtj1092]

That's the 8th quarter with PS4 results. Others sales at the end of 8th quarter.

Wii- 34.55m
PS4- 29.30m
PS2- 24.99m
PS3- 16.60m
360- 13.40m

Wow this post should clear up the idea 360 was crushing the ps3 in sales early on. Great ps4 numbers. Exceeding all expectations.

 

[Busty]

I was under the impression that Hotel Transylvania 2 was released 'too late' for its numbers to be included in the Q2 report?

Anyhoo incredible numbers for Sony. I'm glad that Kaz has turned things around though I suspect that they still aren't out of the woods yet.

 

[Acquiescence]

The mind boggles at how well Final Fantasy VII Remake is going to perform when it comes out, both in software numbers and the amount of PS4 units it helps fly off shelves. It's going to be insane. I just hope it happens some time before 2019.

 

[Ensirius]

Sony is not going to stop until PS4 is the best console ever made, aren't they?

 

[Numb]

Impressive.
Waiting for that updated/pro controller,

 

[OfTheOverflow]

Solid stuff, only going to be bolstered when Battlefront drops, VR, Uncharted 4, etc. Man I hope VR sticks

 

[PdotMichael]

Reminds me on that infamous next gen prediction thread when a large part claimed that Sony would be the last one this gen. Even if it didn't make sense at the time of the thread because Sony even sold more consoles than Nintendo and Microsoft.

 

[Busty]

The mind boggles at how well Final Fantasy VII Remake is going to perform when it comes out, both in software numbers and the amount of PS4 units it helps fly off shelves. It's going to be insane. I just hope it happens some time before 2019.

The Final Fantasy VII Remake is the epitome of the 'fan boy echo chamber' or (as I like to call it) The Scott Pilgrim Effect in so much as GAF will gush and rave about it but no one in the 'real world' will be that bothered let alone rush out to buy it.

 

[Bold One]

Sony is not going to stop until PS4 is the best console ever made, aren't they?

It will require a lot of software updates, A LOT!!!

 

[BadWolf]

Pretty amazing, outpacing the friggin PS2 (which had a $100 price cut for almost half a year at this point) and being not that far from Wii (which was much cheaper in general since day one).

The Final Fantasy VII Remake is the epitome of the 'fan boy echo chamber' or (as I like to call it) The Scott Pilgrim Effect in so much as GAF will gush and rave about it but no one in the 'real world' will be that bothered let alone rush out to buy it.

Prepare to be surprised, FF7 is a different kind of beast.

 

[wapplew]

And X1 is most likely dropped below PS3 curve the quarter, but we will never know for sure. Thanks, MS.

No way, its holiday season and Halo 5. But we will not know for sure.
Maybe we'll get some Halo 5 numbers PR soon.

 

[LiquidSolid]

Unless I'm reading this wrong

Sony Games Division: (2015)
Sales: $649 million
Operating Income: $43 million

Nintendo: (2015)
Sales: $946 million
Operating Income: $65 million

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2015/151028e.pdf

MS Games Division: ?

Wrong on both counts.

Sony:
Sales: $5.4 billion
Operating Income: $359 million

Nintendo:
Sales: $1.7 billion
Operating Income: $74 million

It's obvious where you went wrong with Sony's numbers (billions of yen != millions of dollars) but I have no idea where your Nintendo numbers came from. Can't have been from the link you posted.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

It must have cost MS a fortune to get Tomb Raider as an exclusive.

 

[SolidSnakex]

The Final Fantasy VII Remake is the epitome of the 'fan boy echo chamber' or (as I like to call it) The Scott Pilgrim Effect in so much as GAF will gush and rave about it but no one in the 'real world' will be that bothered let alone rush out to buy it.

FF7R isn't some GAF thing. The trailer for the remake is the most viewed game trailer ever on the official PS Youtube account. The closest game to it is the U4 E3 demo, and that's even four million off its number. It didn't get there because a bunch of people here kept clicking on it.

 

[gtj1092]

Not yet. Will probably happen in 2016.

What is your estimate for X1?

 

[Rymuth]

The Final Fantasy VII Remake is the epitome of the 'fan boy echo chamber' or (as I like to call it) The Scott Pilgrim Effect in so much as GAF will gush and rave about it but no one in the 'real world' will be that bothered let alone rush out to buy it.

I've heard similar sentiments about Bloodborne - "LOL! GAF is so silly, no one in the real world cares about the Souls game. They're too hardcore, too niche." etc etc.

Look how that turned out.

 

[liunli]

Charts from ZhugeEX



https://zhugeex.com/2015/10/sony-fy2015-q2-ps4-ships-4-million-cumulative-sell-in-at-29-3-million/

Ps4 sales have stalled in comparison, and they will fall behind unless thy don't introduce a price drop.
Look at ps2's steep climb for 3d year. It sold 20 Million! Sony can only dream to sell that many PS4s next year without a significant price drop.

They should have a $300 console by Holyday 2016.

The best would have been to already have had a $350 console and $300 before holyday season for next year.

 

[RexNovis]

The Final Fantasy VII Remake is the epitome of the 'fan boy echo chamber' or (as I like to call it) The Scott Pilgrim Effect in so much as GAF will gush and rave about it but no one in the 'real world' will be that bothered let alone rush out to buy it.

Right because 12million views of the official trailer not to mention all the reaction videos of which some have 10+ million views gives every indication that nobody cares about it in "the real world." The digital version of FF7 is, to this very day, one of the highest selling games on PSN. You are in for a rude awakening.

 

[wapplew]

Ps4 sales have stalled in comparison, and they will fall behind unless thy don't introduce a price drop.
Look at ps2's steep climb for 3d year. It sold 20 Million! Sony can only dream to sell that many PS4s next year without a significant price drop.

They should have a $300 console by Holyday 2016.

The best would have been to already have had a $350 console and $300 before holyday season for next year.

Maybe PSVR or $299 slim PS4 will make it happen.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

don't throw at me, but ain't it funny that this console sells so good even it has by far not all(!) the good features? It has some cool and most of all power, power power. But:
think of a PS4 with snapping Apps, backwards compatibility, the xbox one controller, voice control, windows 10 streaming and ea access - that would be cool. And it would mean 45 millionen sold.
But (in my eyes) unfortunately most of the cool things/features I like are things are on the other side. (Thats why their 14-15 million is good too).
PS4 numbers are fantastic!

Cool, an xbone advert.

 

[Acquiescence]

The Final Fantasy VII Remake is the epitome of the 'fan boy echo chamber' or (as I like to call it) The Scott Pilgrim Effect in so much as GAF will gush and rave about it but no one in the 'real world' will be that bothered let alone rush out to buy it.

Uhh, I don't even know how to respond to that.

FFVII-R, the E3 trailer of which has reached over twelve million hits on Youtube and is considered the biggest announcement of E3 this year, is only going to sell to the fan boys? No one in the real world will be bothered?! Even the original, after all these years, continues to sell. It's practically the biggest-selling PS1 game on PSN. Scott Pilgrim is, and never was, anywhere near the commercial heights reached by FFVII.

Dude, I think you're nuts.

 

[RexNovis]

I've heard similar sentiments about Bloodborne - "LOL! GAF is so silly, no one in the real world cares about the Souls game. They're too hardcore, too niche." etc etc.

Look how that turned out.

Better yet ask Chobel.

 

[Pancakes R Us]

What a hit. Well done, Sony.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

People talking about the PS4 needing a price drop? In THIS thread? Jesus.

 

[PdotMichael]

A move too early by MS could backfire quite easily, a 4 year cycle? Would be a poor move by MS.

The software publishers wouldn't be capable of utilise the more powerful hardware anyway. Engines and tools are designed to be used for the next years. They will not invest again so much money just because Microsoft.

 

[Rymuth]

It must have cost MS a fortune to get Tomb Raider as an exclusive.

I don't believe that to be true, in fact I think it's the opposite...Otherwise, Square-Enix wouldn't have broken rank and file and revealed the PS4 release date. You can actually pre-order the PS4 version right now, despite Microsoft still calling it an Xbox Exclusive

 

[Boke1879]

Will almost definitely be at 35 million+ by the end of the year. COD and battlefront bundled will propel it

 

[Mr. Giggles]

The Final Fantasy VII Remake is the epitome of the 'fan boy echo chamber' or (as I like to call it) The Scott Pilgrim Effect in so much as GAF will gush and rave about it but no one in the 'real world' will be that bothered let alone rush out to buy it.

What is the 'real world'?

Is the world I'm currently living in fake?

And for your information I enjoyed the hell out of Scott pilgrim (both movie and game) so I don't give a damn if my 50 year old neighbours didn't

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Wow...PS4 killing it

 

[Hyun Sai]

People talking about the PS4 needing a price drop? In THIS thread? Jesus.

Some people seem to think PS4 is a failure and consoles are dead if it doesn't beat PS2 sales.

 

[AtkO]

Ps4 sales have stalled in comparison, and they will fall behind unless thy don't introduce a price drop.
Look at ps2's steep climb for 3d year. It sold 20 Million! Sony can only dream to sell that many PS4s next year without a significant price drop.

They should have a $300 console by Holyday 2016.

The best would have been to already have had a $350 console and $300 before holyday season for next year.

Sony wants to make money and not outpace the PS2. If they can manage to outpace the PS2 with their current strategy, it'll only be as a bonus.

In the meantime the only thing we can do is be amazed by a console that sold 30M within 2 years with no price drop, only beaten by a Wii that cost far less (250).

 

[ShemhazaiX]

The Final Fantasy VII Remake is the epitome of the 'fan boy echo chamber' or (as I like to call it) The Scott Pilgrim Effect in so much as GAF will gush and rave about it but no one in the 'real world' will be that bothered let alone rush out to buy it.

Aww, that's cute.
You realise that FF7 is the final fantasy game that most people in the "real world" know about and actually have nostalgia for right? If it was only GAF that cared about it, FF9 or 6 would be the most popular and be the one getting a remake.
The amount of "casuals" with fond memories of the game is insane.

 

[nib95]

Damn. PS4 is killing it. I wonder how much the small price drop will improve things?

In any case, Hirai must be pleased. He's done a good job of turning the company around.

 

[klee123]

Wow


No one can stop the train.

 

[jelly]

They haven't even hit a much cheaper price yet or a slim console. Still have many cards to play.

 

[ps3ud0]

Sounds like a lot of PS4 shipped, it really doesn't feel like the NPD comparison matter at getting an idea of the whole picture, probably though still a good indicator how well XO is selling considering there aren't that many being sold outside of US/UK (is that still fact?).

Guess XO shipment numbers must have dropped below the PS3 which is why they changed to the XBL engagement number, not long until they fall under the X360 too (within a year easily). Gonna be fun to speculate...

ps3ud0 8)

 

[liunli]

Sony wants to make money, not outpace the PS2. If they can manage to outpace the PS2 with their current strategy, it'll only be as a bonus.

In the meantime the only thing we can do is be amazed by a console that sold 30M within 2 years with no price drop, only beaten by a Wii that cost far less (250).

Greater numbers also increase revenue from software sales don't they?
If they dropped the price by $50 and assume that drop puts them at a loss, they will eventually catch up and surpass by increased install base, people buying more games + dlc etc. Just in time that PS4 becomes cheaper to produce hence more profit for sony + bigger install base, and eventually make more money than if they didn't drop the price. And bigger install base is never bad, it establishes the winer. It gives sony more brand name recognition and it might even help them sell some other their other products.
They could have timed it better.

 

[Busty]

Uhh, I don't even know how to respond to that.

FFVII-R, the E3 trailer of which has reached over twelve million hits on Youtube and is considered the biggest announcement of E3 this year, is only going to sell to the fan boys? No one in the real world will be bothered?! Even the original, after all these years, continues to sell. It's practically the biggest-selling PS1 game on PSN. Scott Pilgrim is, and never was, anywhere near the commercial heights reached by FFVII.

Dude, I think you're nuts.

*shrugs shoulders*

We shall see. But there's a world of difference between people clicking on a video for something that's been discussed to death on the Internet and actually buying something with their hard earned cash.

I'm not saying that the game will flop by any stretch of the imagination but I don't think that it will be some kind of all consuming phenom either. The original was a hit, people loved it. Are the contemporary gaming audience (the kids who grew up with the PS2, not the PS1) going to rush out and experience that game for themselves?

In saying that, mindless nostalgia made frankly awful Jurassic World the third highest grossing film of all time.

I've heard similar sentiments about Bloodborne - "LOL! GAF is so silly, no one in the real world cares about the Souls game. They're too hardcore, too niche." etc etc.

Look how that turned out.

I can see where some people are coming with this Bloodbourne comparison but I feel like remake of a Final Fantasy game (albeit the most popular one) just isn't directly comparable to an original game that was released during something of a drought of PS4 releases.

Aww, that's cute.

It's true, I am adorable.

You realise that FF7 is the final fantasy game that most people in the "real world" know about and actually have nostalgia for right? If it was only GAF that cared about it, FF9 or 6 would be the most popular and be the one getting a remake.
The amount of "casuals" with fond memories of the game is insane.

'Fond' memories do not, and have never, translated into definite sales.

 

[Sum-Mischief]

Sony have to be very happy. From the announcement of the PS4 to now . They done an outstanding job .

 

[EGM1966]

I really doubt that Tomb Raider timed exclusive for XB1 deal paid more than all those lost sales would have...

40 million consoles when GT Sport and PSVR comes out. I don't care what anyone says about VR. I'm convinced it's going to sell shitloads, no matter the price (but hopefully under $300/£250!).

I mean, it will outsell Kinect and people will have enough cool, genuine uses for it that none of them will regret their purchase. 40 million potential consumers and growing. Affordable VR that will be a revelatory experience beyond any other single advancement we've ever seen beofre... How can it not sell, seriously?! Sony is showing great support for it and there's already a raft of titles coming to the device. Then there's all the entertainment apps that Sony haven't shown off yet. Remember partnerships with NASA etc. Let people stand on the Moon and show it off to their parents. Wii like success of VR as a platform IS possible.

Mark my words, VR starts with PlayStation 4.

I always felt the TR deal was a risk from a business perspective and right now it feels like fate has really decided to hammer SE.

It's launching directly against Fallout 4 (clearly unplanned and they got surprised by Fallout release date) and it's within week of CoD and Battlefront and all of those three are multi-platform. It's on 360/XB1 and IIRC the reboot sold less on 360/XB1 than PS3/PS4 so it's launching to the smaller install base from reboot and it's then launching later on PC/PS4 (no idea about PS3) so it's likely going to sell less due to delay and see more sales at reduced prices on those platforms as a result (punishment really). Add to that the way the market has played out PS4 is much more popular than XB1 globally and the deal looks worse and worse gamble for SE.

All in all I think the way events have turned the next installment of TR is facing a real tough market challenge to stand out and sell well.

Shame actually because while I had issues with a number of elements of TR (oddly enough the tone and excessive blood/violence was my main one not that I normally care about that in general) but I liked it well enough overall and had hopes to see a much improved second installment (ideally with toning down of the "I spit on your grave" exploitation grime and more of a tough action heroine vibe) but I feel SE might have put the franchise in a rocky place again - but you never know. Maybe it'll find it's audience amongst the bigger titles (and let's make no mistake right now CoD, Battlefront and Fallout are all bigger titles) and sell well enough.

 

[I'm Spartacus]

Superb business by Sony - they are slowly and surely climbing out of that rut, with the Playstation brand leading the way. And to think that these numbers are about to go ballistic with the behemoths that are COD and Star Wars BF on the near horizon, coupled with a price drop.

 

[roninwarrior92]

so anyone want to guess what number they will tout at e3?
my high guess:

Spoiler

50m

my low guess:

Spoiler

45m

what will probably actually happen:

Spoiler

press release before the event of 42m

 

[DarkLordMalik]

So many people are buying PS4 after the FFVII: Remake announcement at E3. Happy to see the console sell so well

 

[Boke1879]

Superb business by Sony - they are slowly and surely climbing out of that rut, with the Playstation brand leading the way. And to think that these numbers are about to go ballistic with the behemoths that are COD and Star Wars BF on the near horizon, coupled with a price drop.

Sony is about to have a great month overall in November. COD in a week, fallout 4 a few days later and then Battlefront afterwards. And this is before Black Friday and whatever deals pop up.

Sony is about to see so well in the US and abroad this Holiday.

I'm interested to see how they do this month. No doubt the Uncharted Bundle and the price drop are pushing sales right now.