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[IvorB]

Doesn't Microsoft always mentions something regarding the sales of halo after 24 hrs of release? I wonder what happened this time. Even if the game didn't sell as what people were expecting, I'm pretty sure it still sold very well.

I guess they are still working on the spin for this. Maybe it's taking a bit more time than usual.

 

[Moobabe]

At one point almost everyone on my friends list was playing The Order 1886 so...

 

[Diprosalic]

The title in itself is inflammatory as the OP itself mentions there is no data for Halo 1.

Clearly the title under performed which is likely related to shooter fatigue and a lower console user base

user base is almost the same if not better than the 360 was at H3 launch.
we're running in circles in here.

 

[RichiRamjag]

It will be the same with The Coalition and Gears (and Turn 10). Microsoft wants to gain the loyalty of gamers by saying "hey look, here we have Halo and Gears, and we'll always have that". On the other hand, Sony is saying "hey look, we have Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch and Quantic Dream, those guys will make amazing games for PlayStation, and even if we don't yet what those games will be, they're going to be amazing, trust us, because those dev's are great".

You chose sucker punch over guerilla or media molecule? For shame!

 

[SwolBro]

Wat this is not true at all. Just because they are third person games does not make them the same.

Um, didn't it use the same engine and pretty much 75% of the same assets? that's what i'm saying.

 

[Hasney]

At one point almost everyone on my friends list was playing The Order 1886 so...

Get better friends

Spoiler

 

[valkillmore]

I guess they are still working on the spin for this. Maybe it's taking a bit more time than usual.

They could have sent out a press release noting a spike in Xbox live activity, if the sales aren't spectacular. They're supposed to be focused on that now as a metric, right?

 

[Katana_Strikes]

At one point almost everyone on my friends list was playing The Order 1886 so...

Question is, did they buy physical or digital?

 

[zsynqx]

And Halo hasn't been all well received? And actually sold a lot more? This is just another instance of people going fucking bananas prematurely. The franchise has been on a decline since Halo Reach, this has been known. All franchises experience this at some point. But the doom and gloom being spouted is absurd.

Naughty Dog is talented enough to have some type of control but to say they don't have a leash is, well....they just knocked out 4 of the same title in less than 2 whole gens! And TLOU isn't that far of a departure from Uncharted, lets be honest.

Gears already hit a decline with Gears 2 and 3 in my opinion. They haven't been able to recapture what made Gears 1 great. We'll see what happens with 4. All in all we already heard Phil Spencer say Microsoft will be heavily pursuing new first party IP, didn't we get that thread already? And yet we had people that shat on it as if it was being done because third party games weren't selling high enough on the platform or some shit. There's a theme going on, isn't there?

4 is looking to be the best selling Uncharted, yet Sony have no problem allowing Naughty Dog to talk up the fact that this is their last uncharted and even allowed them to delay it leaving their holiday lineup basically empty (exclusive wise). After the success of Uncharted trilogy and TLOU I am pretty sure Naughty Dog has a lot of say in what they will be making.

You chose sucker punch over guerilla or media molecule? For shame!

Well unlike Guerilla, Sucker Punch have actually released some good games :L. I disagree with the original poster and feel the only Sony Studio that has a massive pull atm is Naughty Dog. Sony Santa Monica probably did about 5 years ago but no so much after Ascension and the cancelled new IP.

 

[Diprosalic]

You chose sucker punch over guerilla or media molecule? For shame!

he chose Quantic Dream over them..

 

[Interfectum]

They could have sent out a press release noting a spike in Xbox live activity, if the sales aren't spectacular. They're supposed to be focused on that now as a metric, right?

MAU's are up 200% following the launch of Halo 5!

 

[BuggeryBugz]

343i ruined Halo.

The plot is ludicrous, the campaigns are shallow and the multiplayer of Halo 4 probably has turned many people away.

Add that not all people prefer 60fps over good graphics and larger scale environments and battles in the campaign.

343i ruined halo for you. For me, it's probably the best halo I've played.

I think worldwide sales will still be lower than previous games but i think that was to be expected.

 

[blakep267]

Doesn't Microsoft always mentions something regarding the sales of halo after 24 hrs of release? I wonder what happened this time. Even if the game didn't sell as what people were expecting, I'm pretty sure it still sold very well.

Don't know about that. MS hasn't really given those numbers out at all this gen. The best you'll get is a statement saying Halo has passed 60 million sales or Forza has had 10 million players next gen

 

[SwolBro]

4 is looking to be the best selling Uncharted, yet Sony have no problem allowing Naughty Dog to talk up the fact that this is their last uncharted and even allowed them to delay it leaving their holiday lineup basically empty (exclusive wise). After the success of Uncharted trilogy and TLOU I am pretty sure Naughty Dog has a lot of say in what they will be making.

Right, i agree but that's after 5 whole titles, maybe 6 after another TLOU.

 

[Markoman]

They made Gears better with Gears 2 and 3. Gears Ultimate proved that and not in the most flattering way.

If you are talking about MP, ok.
But SP? I have bought Gears 3 for 5€ in 2013 during a summer sale.
Played the first two levels and got bored pretty quickly.
No, the franchise went from a pretty atmospheric TPS to hillbilly Bro-Squad BS in no time.

 

[Dyson Industries]

I'm enjoying the hell out of this game, but lol at these digital truthers. Come on.

 

[BokehKing]

That thread title change...that's a first for a PAL/NPD related thread that involves sales no?

 

[KurtSloane]

The title in itself is inflammatory as the OP itself mentions there is no data for Halo 1.

Clearly the title under performed which is likely related to shooter fatigue and a lower console user base

Console userbase is the same as 360 at Halo 3 release (if not slightly more than).

More nonsense.

 

[Diprosalic]

4 is looking to be the best selling Uncharted, yet Sony have no problem allowing Naughty Dog to talk up the fact that this is their last uncharted and even allowed them to delay it leaving their holiday lineup basically empty (exclusive wise). After the success of Uncharted trilogy and TLOU I am pretty sure Naughty Dog has a lot of say in what they will be making.

to be fair it's a bit different if you are leading anyway and your first party output is just the sugar on top. if they were at panic mode they would've gotten this out for the holidays.

 

[zsynqx]

to be fair it's a bit different if you are leading anyway and your first party output is just the sugar on top. if they were at panic mode they would've gotten this out for the holidays.

Right, i agree but that's after 5 whole titles, maybe 6 after another TLOU.

Both fair points

 

[Hoo-doo]

Right, i agree but that's after 5 whole titles, maybe 6 after another TLOU.

Why are you still including TLOU in this as if it is a spin-off of Uncharted or something?

It's a brand-new IP that got greenlit before Uncharted 3 was even on shelves.

*Not including digital sales*

This is not a story.

I knew there'd be posts like this because of the new thread title.

 

[Steverulez]

Don't you see a problem there though? I enjoy Gears , even the multiplayer of Judgement had its moments but when is enough going to be enough? Halo 6,7 etc and Gears 4, 5 etc ? I know it's very difficult to make a big hit but for me it comes a time when you feel do you need it anymore? They have invested in these studios such as 343 and Black Tusk to bring out these games every two or three years. Why can't MS get behind them with fresh ideas and new IP ?

Look at Naughty Dog, given the green light for the Last of Us and it was a big hit commercially and critically. Why can't MS do the same ? I'm glad Uncharted is going for a rest after 4, as much as I am a fan I don't want to see fatigue really set in.

I think Microsoft's problem is that when something it big they keep releasing something every year (on top of that broken/disappointing products), Halo 5 was the best response to MCC in that it worked and was great (imo) but Halo Wars 2 next year... what in 2017? Then presumably Halo 6 in 2018... it ends up being too much.

I dont particularly want to get into a "MS does this, Sony does this" scenario because it seems like a silly argument but its not like Sony have studios work on franchises for long periods of time. I don't see a big issue with having a Halo or Gears studios personally, they have plenty of other new IPs coming, the problem is the constant flow of titles in that time, Fable is also guilty of that although Lionhead were on a new IP, we haven't seen it yet, though.

 

[PooBone]

*Not including digital sales*

This is not a story.

 

[crazyprac]

At least 94% of my friends list is playing it(984ppl) and my circle of friends (all 7 of us) all bought digitally too so there is a real shift.

These sales charts are not even telling half the story any more, it's a new dawn and all you non-digital dinosaurs just don't get it.

Lol yo. That made me giggle.

 

[Hasney]

*Not including digital sales*

This is not a story.

Feel free to add 20% on top to take into account digital. The title reamins the same.

 

[shandy706]

Doesn't include digital.

Well, digital didn't really take hold until late in the 360's life and has become the norm in the X1's.

Hard to make a realistic comparison without digital sales data.

Feel free to add 20% on top to take into account digital. The title reamins the same.

Ah, we got confirmation of it being 20% more somewhere in the thread? Can you link me?

 

[Gnome Scat]

I'm sure digital purchases will pick that number up to normal.

 

[Mr.Fletcher]

I think Halo is in an odd spot. It is Microsoft's biggest franchise but I feel we are hitting a saturation point. Five mainline games, several console spin offs, re-releases, mobile titles, TV shows and so on.

There's only so long you can return to the well.

Halo needs a reboot if you ask me.

 

[-MD-]

*Not including digital sales*

This is not a story.

Lol, was a matter of time.

 

[ebullientprism]

I bet rushing the MCC is sounding like a great idea now. Lets just sell whatever we can now, no one cares about a year or two down the line.

Edit LOL digital sales. Yeah I am sure with them its the best selling Halo ever.

 

[SwolBro]

Why are you still including TLOU in this as if it is a spin-off of Uncharted or something?

It's a brand-new IP that got greenlit before Uncharted 3 was even on shelves.
.

I'm not going to derail the thread. if you want my feelings on this you can PM me.

 

[Hasney]

Doesn't include digital.

Well, digital didn't really take hold until late in the 360's life and has become the norm in the X1's.

Hard to make a realistic comparison without digital sales data.

The norm? I don't think many console games are doing the majority digitally, if any at all.

So for the digital people, we already have a statement every three months from major third parties that digital on traditional AAA is about 20% on the high end, which would still leave this as the worst selling entry.

Even if we assumed 30% for week one buyers, it would still be the lowest by far.

So I think it would need evidence as to why this would be statistical anomaly rather than anything else.

 

[visiblemode]

The digital sales argument is tremendously weak. Yes digital sales have increased, but if they sold equal numbers digital and retail (no way) that would still leave them at 300k which is 70k less than Halo 3 did with a smaller install base. So yes, there is some significant shrinkage in that market, no matter how you look at it. These are just numbers, there's no emotion involved.

I'm not saying the franchise is dead, by any means. I do think the FPS genre as a whole is feeling the effects of buyer fatigue, though. The COD hype, for example, just seems to be fading exponentially every cycle. Beyond even the point of people complaining about them. Worse, now people are just used to them coming out.

I also wonder if releasing the collection so close to the launch of the next mainline entry might have contributed to fatigue instead of, as intended, hype. Especially with the technical challenges.

 

[Mpl90]

*Not including digital sales*

This is not a story.

Maybe not, but Halo franchise will be story soon.

Spoiler

Obvious hyperbole is obvious

 

[SMOK3Y]

I like triggering full pages of green for myself when I'm bored at work.


I can't argue with that. Obviously my friendship circle is in the digital demographic, with a 1/9 split. Although, I can't see that averaging out to 4/1 for the nation, but that's just my thoughts rather than actual figures. It is worth noting a lot of my friends do buy physical, and wait for sales, but they all wanted this day one and pre-ordered digitally.


The price I mentioned in the quote? I bought H5 brand new for £16, cheapest elsewhere is £40. It's also ready at midnight with all the ridiculous day one patches installed, I can't see why you wouldn't.

Out of the 15+ constant friends i play online with only 2 of us have gone digital

 

[R3TRODYCE]

I think Halo is in an odd spot. It is Microsoft's biggest franchise but I feel we are hitting a saturation point. Five mainline games, several console spin offs, re-releases, mobile titles, TV shows and so on.

There's only so long you can return to the well.

Halo needs a reboot if you ask me.

Agreed. I think it might need a good break but I know that wouldn't happen.

 

[Dyson Industries]

So for the digital people, we already have a statement every three months from major third parties that digital on traditional AAA is about 20% on the high end, which would still leave this as the worst selling entry.

Even if we assumed 30% for week one buyers, it would still be the lowest by far.

*Not including digital sales*

This is not a story.

welp

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I'm from the UK and when Halo 4 was released, 1 person on my best mate's friend list was playing it on launch day. Fast forward several years and that same friend list hasn't got anyone playing Halo 5. So it's definitely sold worse than any other Halo from the last few years.

 

[BokehKing]

Doesn't include digital.

Well, digital didn't really take hold until late in the 360's life and has become the norm in the X1's.

Hard to make a realistic comparison without digital sales data.

Why now, is everyone in here talking about digital now, is it because the game the #'s are effecting?

I noticed this in the metacritic thread too, suddenly it was like "down with metacritic, who needs these numbers anyway, use open critic instead"

 

[MisterR]

So I guess now any time a title underperforms we can just pretend some magical digital sales make up all the difference. Despite the fact we have knowledge that digital is 20% on the high end for AAA titles. Good deal. I'll remember that when one of my favorites bombs.

 

[oo7]

Too many games coming out around the same time. Christmas time sales will jump.

 

[Coxy100]

Don't you see a problem there though? I enjoy Gears , even the multiplayer of Judgement had its moments but when is enough going to be enough? Halo 6,7 etc and Gears 4, 5 etc ? I know it's very difficult to make a big hit but for me it comes a time when you feel do you need it anymore? They have invested in these studios such as 343 and Black Tusk to bring out these games every two or three years. Why can't MS get behind them with fresh ideas and new IP ?

Look at Naughty Dog, given the green light for the Last of Us and it was a big hit commercially and critically. Why can't MS do the same ? I'm glad Uncharted is going for a rest after 4, as much as I am a fan I don't want to see fatigue really set in.

Agree with this. I love my Xbone - but I wish microsoft were more like Sony in actively seeking original and unique games. I love forza, halo, GoW etc - but can't help be jealous of PS4 and their variety of games / new IP.

On topic - it's low sales for sure, but low sales does not mean a bad game. Still sad though

 

[Radec]

At least 94% of my friends list is playing it(984ppl) and my circle of friends (all 7 of us) all bought digitally too so there is a real shift.

These sales charts are not even telling half the story any more, it's a new dawn and all you non-digital dinosaurs just don't get it.

Damn, now I'm curious how many facebook, twitter, and instagram friends you have.

 

[RichiRamjag]

Numbers can't mean much. Almost every person that I invited using the Gaf halo Google doc has been playing halo. Same for the people in my halo clan. Destiny schmestiny

Spoiler

 

[SwolBro]

The digital sales argument is tremendously weak. Yes digital sales have increased, but if they sold equal numbers digital and retail (no way) that would still leave them at 300k which is 70k less than Halo 3 did with a smaller install base. .

And this argument is also weak. Halo 3 was a monster, it was at the peak of it's popularity with one of the greatest marketing campaign pushes ever seen in video games. It was on the more popular platform during a very different gaming landscape (mobile games, free to play games, and even other FPS weren't huge)

 

[Kosma]

Um, didn't it use the same engine and pretty much 75% of the same assets? that's what i'm saying.

75% of the assests in TLOU are reused from Uncharted?

 

[Hasney]

Too many games coming out around the same time. Christmas time sales will jump.

It's unlikely unless there's a really good XB1 bundle including Halo 5. The sales are so front loaded in the UK that Christmas doesn't spike them past release week sales, bar some exceptions usually around kids games.

 

[LifEndz]

Actually, out of 100 friends and I, 99 of us bought Halo 5 digitally; so my conclusion is that 9900% of Halo 5's sales must be digital!

Lmao. I read those posts about the buying habits of that poster and his nine friends and was wondering what in the world his point was.

 

[Markoman]

I'm from the UK and when Halo 4 was released, 1 person on my best mate's friend list was playing it on launch day. Fast forward several years and that same friend list hasn't got anyone playing Halo 5. So it's definitely sold worse than any other Halo from the last few years.

good one

 

[hammertomb]

Looks like halo really is dead.