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New King of Fighters XIV teaser reveals Leona and CHANG KOEHAN
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man how can you tell? its like 3 seconds of people doing combos with incredibly long hitstop. it doesnt say much about the game at all.
Mr. Pointy
Member
I hope we get the tag battle system back again. I don't know why they ditched it after XI.
Finaika
Member
If it looks as good as SF4 (which I'm sure it will) all will be good.
Douche McBaggins The 3rd
Junior Member
It was so successful that only the broken KOFs used it. Gato Oswald and Duck King? Hell nah. Keep the 98 style. Those were actually successful.
If when you say "all will be good" you mean this will probably be the death of the series, I agree.
I guess good in that KoF can finally be at peace?
Shifu-Sushi
Neo Member
lol...
Yes please. Death bound all day, every day.
Maybe their Metal Slug Defense presence can help tide you over for a while: https://twitter.com/SNKPofficial/status/662173492285038592
Shifu-Sushi
Neo Member
Leak about the roster ? : http://shoryuken.com/2015/11/04/king-of-fighters-xivs-roster-may-have-leaked-months-ago/
You're late
DiipuSurotu
Banned
I'm still on board but man do I miss 13 sprites.
I don't know what it is about these teeth but there's something cringy or creepy about them.
I get why they probably went with a yellow top for Leona (the color would go well with the blue hair) but it seems like such an odd choice for her character.
Wonder what Ralf and Clark will look like this time, classic size or plus size. Leona losing that grenade belt, or whatever it was, probably means that they also won't have it.
Can't say awesome just yet but it certainly has potential. Even if the game ends up being butt ugly there is still a good chance that the gameplay might feel very much like classic KOF, going by the newest trailer.
Hope they reveal the new mechanics soon.
The classic 3v3 style is great (especially as it was done in XIII where meter management played a huge role) but it would be interesting if they give tagging another try.
It would also be something that would set XIV apart from the other major fighting games since non of SFV, GG, BB, Tekken 7 etc. focus on tagging. It would also speed up the pace of the matches.
Wonder what Ralf and Clark will look like this time, classic size or plus size. Leona losing that grenade belt, or whatever it was, probably means that they also won't have it.
Can't say awesome just yet but it certainly has potential. Even if the game ends up being butt ugly there is still a good chance that the gameplay might feel very much like classic KOF, going by the newest trailer.
Hope they reveal the new mechanics soon.
The classic 3v3 style is great (especially as it was done in XIII where meter management played a huge role) but it would be interesting if they give tagging another try.
It would also be something that would set XIV apart from the other major fighting games since non of SFV, GG, BB, Tekken 7 etc. focus on tagging. It would also speed up the pace of the matches.
Phat Michael
Banned
It looks awful. KoF XIII was beautiful..
freeofgreed
Member
Yeah I thought so too, but all the other new characters have unique identifiers like "Kim's wife" or "new comer prisoner". I assumed the ? marks where them not being able to translate the kanji but I'm probably wrong.
Yeah I was watching some 98 videos and noticed that as well. Seemed like a really cool feature.
It was probably due to the additional work needed in animating their background animations.
The best chance of us getting the feature back is definitely XIV since they are using 3D models, though then again the Maximum Impact games didn't have the feature either iirc.
It was cool how you could mash in the older games and the teammates would jump in from the background to break a throw for you.
I prefer the belt without all that volume from the grenades, so that's fine.
Her pants now having a camouflage pattern is a neat touch, and I wonder if that's supposed to work with the now yellow top as camouflage for some story element involving a mission in a desert environment - I like the older darker colors, so I wonder if the new ones have particular relevance...
Agreed, though not sure if there will be an explanation since they seem to be freshening up a lot of the character designs in general.
It is kind of funny though that they revealed both Chang and her in the same trailer since a relationship of some kind between them was kind of hinted at in the past iirc.
I really hope they start releasing official art soon (by Hiroaki, Ogura etc.) so we can get a better look.
That hint appears to have been a programming typo in 98, where Leona would salute Chang (a salute which I think was meant for Ralf, I'd have to recheck if she salutes Ralf there, like she does Heidern and Clark) - he's the 2nd member of the Kim team while Ralf's the 2nd in her team.
If in the game's code the teams are numbered in the order they're displayed, with Kyo's as 1, Terry's as 2, Ryo's as 3 and Leona's as 4, then the teams can be represented like this:
Code:
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9
10 11 12
13And if the characters are referenced by their team and position in it, Chang would be team7(2) and Ralf team4(2).
So maybe the Chang salute was a typo - on a numpad, 4 and 7 are pretty close, so Leona could be programmed to salute team4(2), but it ended up as team7(2) by a programmer's slip of the finger, and it wouldn't be a game-breaking bug, just an oddity.
Just a theory, really.
That hint appears to have been a programming typo in 98, where Leona would salute Chang (a salute which I think was meant for Ralf, I'd have to recheck if she salutes Ralf there, like she does Heidern and Clark) - he's the 2nd member of the Kim team while Ralf's the 2nd in her team.
If in the game's code the teams are numbered in the order they're displayed, with Kyo's as 1, Terry's as 2, Ryo's as 3 and Leona's as 4, then the teams can be represented like this:
Code:1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
And if the characters are referenced by their team and position in it, Chang would be team7(2) and Ralf team4(2).
So maybe the Chang salute was a typo - on a numpad, 4 and 7 are pretty close, so Leona could be programmed to salute team4(2), but it ended up as team7(2) by a programmer's slip of the finger, and it wouldn't be a game-breaking bug, just an oddity.
Just a theory, really.
I remember seeing some art before and also this in the wiki:
So they could do something with it if they liked but yeah, you're theory makes sense either way. Thanks!
freeofgreed
Member
Don't think this has been posted but here's a translation of the interview with the producer.
http://www.orochinagi.com/2015/10/i...ii-hits-top-3-sales-charts-fgc-ebook-free-pdf
Most important info from this is:
-Producer seems to be aware of the complaints about the art style doesn't seem to care, as long as the gameplay is good.
-We all probably figured but it pretty much confirms this is the start of a new arc.
http://www.orochinagi.com/2015/10/i...ii-hits-top-3-sales-charts-fgc-ebook-free-pdf
Most important info from this is:
-Producer seems to be aware of the complaints about the art style doesn't seem to care, as long as the gameplay is good.
-We all probably figured but it pretty much confirms this is the start of a new arc.
If they are gonna have a 60 person cast like the leak implies... for them to have KOFXIII or GGXrd level visuals it will cost them an astronomical amount of money. And even if they had the budget, is there enough talent out there to produce models and animations of such quality within the time frame? You have to decide between the graphics and roster. whynotboth.gif can''t apply here unfortunately.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Master Thespian
Member
Seems that he's speaking for character visual design and not so much system wide art style or graphics.
Well...that's not what most players play KOF for. For most, it's the the large character roster that makes a KOF game. And that's what made KOF the clear moneymaker for SNK, even though games like MOTW and Last Blade were decidedly much prettier games on the MVS (not to mention what Capcom was running with on the CPS2 and CPS3 at the time).
Again, trying to get things back to a "MVS era" pace, where they can churn KOF games out quicker, and add oodles of characters each time, seems to be what SNKP is aiming for, starting with XIV. Not everybody is going to like that, but it's what I imagine will most delight KOF players out east.
Says who? The competitive scene in 13 is like 4 characters and dont even get me started on 2002. I very rarely see any character variety.
King of Fighters 13 Results
1. Karn (Kula, Elisabeth, Chin)
2. AlvinG (Duo Lon, Shen, Kim | King, Shen, Kim)
3. Hype|TSF (EX Iori, Mr. Karate, Kim)
4. HopperLi (EX Iori, EX Kyo, Kim)
Top 4 from a recent tournament has 10 unique chars
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
It's so weird coming in here seeing the reactions to the graphics,than going to that fallout thread and seeing completely different opinions. Guess its a franchise/developer thing. I mean it doesn't look to good but if game play is good that's all that matter's
freeofgreed
Member
Hope the netcode is up to snuff this time. I honestly believe the shit netcode was a big contributing factor for why 12/13 sold so bad. For those who played the steam release how was it?
Yeah, plus the small roster was part of the reason XII got so much heat.
Yeah, plus the small roster was part of the reason XII got so much heat.
Cool. Thanks for posting.
Np, the game isn't as stagnant in character selection as some people think. There was even a Leona in top 8 for that tournament.
They were only talking about Kyo and Iori's new designs.
There was good character variety at SCR too iirc.
King of Fighters 13 Results
1. ON|Misterio (Athena, King, Yuri)
2. Qanba|Xiao Hai (EX Iori, Mr. Karate, Kim)
3. AS|Reynald (EX Kyo, Duo Lon, Benimaru | Others)
4. ST|Khannibalito (Mr. Karate, EX Iori, Vice)
5. MXKOF|El Rosa (Hwa, Shen, Vice)
5. Fabricio (K', Kula, Maxima)
7. TC|ChrisKOF (Duo Lon, Shen, Iori)
7. ON|Vicio (Leona, Mature, Vice)
Very nice variety. I feel like people see a couple recent matches from the usual suspects and think the game has stagnated to just those chars.
Chang model is pretty good:
Make Kyo and Iori look like prototypes made while researching art direction for the game!
Strangely in that pic, it actually doesn't look bad. Maybe they just need to get some better Antialiasing and soften the whole image a bit
definetly, but i desperately need at least the classic costumes, cause those awful redesigns arent doing anything for me
And scrap the awful stage they keep showing.
freeofgreed
Member
Ah ok fair enough. Don't know why people are complaining about the costumes though. They're are far from being the worst problem here.
I think my biggest issue with that stage is that it feels like it's design for a 3D fighting game but KOF is only on a 2D plane.
Finaika
Member
The little details like the belts on Iori's pants is pretty amazing.
The brazillian ninja could be black and the list is not confirmed.
People here were kind of taken aback as well, changing the design of clothes is one thing but they changed Kyo's hair style and hair color as well.
XIII didn't have any either.
freeofgreed
Member
Lol you're right. Maybe one of the new characters? They need to bring back Heavy D and Seth as well.
Lots of Spanish characters at least.
The thing is that they "could be" and I know it's not confirmed list , so they could not exist at all.
My low belief that there is one is based on past games.