Hard for Sony to win this month for sure. Not sure why people believe otherwise cause "MS is hush hush about Halo".
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October 2015 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes November 10th
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Hard for Sony to win this month for sure. Not sure why people believe otherwise cause "MS is hush hush about Halo".
Judging from my friend circle halo should be dead because none of them bought it.
Pretty sure.
Judging by my group of friends, Undertale is the best selling game of the year.
is this ever the case? Usually digital is higher afterwards usually when there is a sale.
I guess we don't have numbers for either, just estimates, Halo 3 + ODST sold 14.5 million, presumably 3 sold 10 million and ODST 4.5 million, or close to it. Halo 4 definitely sold worse than vanilla 3, Aqua confirmed that in one of the NPD threads a while ago.
We don't have UC3 numbers either way, but its range should be 11 million > UC3 > 9 million, depending on how leggy UC2 was.
I guess "likely" is not the right word to use, because both games have a wide range of approximate LTD sales, any difference in sales would have been minimal either way.
Goodacre0081
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I still think the "off-season" releases by Sony are a strategy. Bloodborne, UC4, Infamous. seems like they realize the same thing consumers are, the holidays are packed.
EdReedFan20
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Have they said any more about those games? We don't know if they will be available on day 1. We do know they will be coming to PSN for purchase individually. The thing is, three of the four classic games are PS2 games on PS4 with trophies. They still haven't technically confirmed PS2 classics with trophies on PS4 (which those games are). Last year Eurogamer rumored that PS1 and PS2 classics with trophies would come to PS4. I wonder if the PS1/PS2 classics will be unveiled at PSX and that's when the free games from the bundle will be released (if they are not available immediately on the 17th). I sincerely thought PS1/PS2 classics would be announced at PGW, with the three Star Wars PS2 classics being the first releases.
'Off Season' planned releases can be good for if they have to delay as well. I don't really see a negative in having to delay something closer to the holidays if the need (as long as it's not too close to the release of that years CoD).
That quote listing digital download percentages also says that digital sales percentage in the first week is notably higher than that average you see later on. Tack on the LE Halo bundles with their digital codes and I wouldn't be surprised if Halo's digital download percentage was higher than even the high range of other games (20-30%). Just making a case.
And sales are poor by Halo standards. Even if the 1.4m-1.5m number materializes, it's still one of the biggest exclusives in NA. Quickly losing selling power, of course, but still in a tier of its own.
Sure, if the bundles are included, then it should be 25% easily, assuming the bundle sold at least 250K and another 250K-300K were bought digitally, making a total of 2 million in the US, with digital sales being >500K, roughly 25%, including bundles. Just a hypothetical situation. But the poster I replied to made no mention of bundles and instead mentioned his friends as evidence.
I've heard concrete information that Halo 5 launch numbers will be some of the lowest yet. Like 1.4-1.5M low. I'm willing to polygraph with an admin if need be, I've seen how inside information is dealt with here
Thanks for the numbers.
Microsoft's PR makes a whole lot more sense now. Wow.
Anytime we get numbers, the digital is typically highest % on launch, yes.
Big Green Anus
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Is the Halo 5 1.5 million worldwide or just North America?
perfectchaos007
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[3DS] 114K
[PS4] 222K
[WIU] 58K
[XB1] 163K
[PS4] 222K
[WIU] 58K
[XB1] 163K
You can't be serious?
AmaterasuOni
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I've heard concrete information that Halo 5 launch numbers will be some of the lowest yet. Like 1.4-1.5M low. I'm willing to polygraph with an admin if need be, I've seen how inside information is dealt with here
RIP Tomb Raider then. :/ Damn, what a way to destroy great IP.
NA and the 1.5 million is for the physical copies.
It's not. The best selling exclusives last gen were released on the holidays (on PS360 it was Halo 3/4/Reach, GT5, and UC3), it's not a coincidence. People are really overstating the effect of third party games.
Holiday sales boost > competition from third party games.
Well, some bigger titles doesn't have big digital sales :
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=183851009#post183851009
AmaterasuOni
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Well, you answered yourself. Sony knew TR and UC4 would come out with the huge games and set up a trap for MS and SE. MS and SE took the bait and soon they'll see how Sony's trap unravels in reality. Business chess.
That's not what I wanted to hear..
Hope Lara makes it out alive, the reboot was one of my favourite games last gen and I'm gonna be so mad if this exclusivity deal ends up killing the franchise.
Really don't understand what MS planned to do with TR, even if UC4 came out this year still it wouldn't have helped counter anything if they were just gonna send it out to die like they are now.
Nightengale
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1. Add another AAA game to their holiday line-up
2. Create a marketing campaign around "Greatest Lineup in History"
3. Use that marketing dynamo effect to sell XB1s
4. ????
5. Profit
TR was just a checklist they wanted to bolster their holiday line-up, especially since Fable Legends is apparently going to miss it despite being originally positioned as one of their Holiday Quadfecta.
perfectchaos007
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I think Holidays sell consoles more than games. I know big games were released in October but at the end of the day, November and December are when consoles really sell well. That's the logic I'm going with at least
I don't think it was a check list thing, I think they genuinely wanted to increase their market share in Europe, remember that the deal was announced one month before the Tier 2 launch of XB1.
StrongBlackVine
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That's not what I wanted to hear..
Hope Lara makes it out alive, the reboot was one of my favourite games last gen and I'm gonna be so mad if this exclusivity deal ends up killing the franchise.
Really don't understand what MS planned to do with TR, even if UC4 came out this year still it wouldn't have helped counter anything if they were just gonna send it out to die like they are now.
If this deal kills the franchise then Square Enix are idiots. If they were not guaranteed a certain amount of sales(many of us expected an AC Unity style bundle that didn't happen) then they should be have negotiated an out clause if certain thresholds were not met. Time to see if the marketing muscle of Microsoft pushes the franchise to new heights like Crystal Dynamics claimed it would...
gundamkyoukai
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Those halo 5 sales are okay but far from when it was a power house .
Funny enough both Sony and MS main line games under perform GT and Halo .
The question is if they can recover we will find out about GT next year , while halo it will take a while longer.
Funny enough both Sony and MS main line games under perform GT and Halo .
The question is if they can recover we will find out about GT next year , while halo it will take a while longer.
Kenzodielocke
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Tbh, next year I won't buy Tomb Raider either, A because SE will make it a full priced game, I would only play 39,99 and B I will play Final Fantasy XV, NieR: Automata and Persona 5 by that time.
Sorry SE, you've done fucked it up.
But then again, I am buying two of your other games, so that's not that big of a fuck up
Sorry SE, you've done fucked it up.
But then again, I am buying two of your other games, so that's not that big of a fuck up
biglittleps
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GT release time was bad just around the PS4 launch and little to no marketing push which is why it suffered the low sales, but Halo was released on next gen console with big marketing push which is different.
StrongBlackVine
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Tbh, next year I won't buy Tomb Raider either, A because SE will make it a full priced game, I would only play 39,99 and B I will play Final Fantasy XV, NieR: Automata and Persona 5 by that time.
Sorry SE, you've done fucked it up.
But then again, I am buying two of your other games, so that's not that big of a fuck up
Yeah I won't to pretend to try to boycott SE. Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Nier Automata and FFXV are all probably buys for me. Not the timed exclusive though.
To be fair, GT6 released during a horrible time. Literally a few weeks after a successor to the console it was released on was launched. Consumers were so focused on the PS4 that they almost ignored GT6. GT:S should see the franchise return to its heights or at least remain close to it. That's what I think, at least.
Majmun
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Pricedrops sell consoles as well...
Okay, caught up. What a ride.
I don't think they cared if it will sell well, they just wanted a feather on their cap to escape the 'Xbox is the shooterbox' moniker (which they now seem to be proudly wearing, given Greenberg's recent interview) - in which case, Crystal Dynamics were the biggest losers here.
I could point you to posts by Nirolak and Nightengale talking about this. It was a desperation move to artificially pad out their anemic line-up in terms of diversity.
I don't think they cared if it will sell well, they just wanted a feather on their cap to escape the 'Xbox is the shooterbox' moniker (which they now seem to be proudly wearing, given Greenberg's recent interview) - in which case, Crystal Dynamics were the biggest losers here.
Cthulhu_Steev
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Passion will save TR.
Oh wait, maybe they meant 'Passion' in the biblical sense. Poor Lara.
This whole "greatest lineup in the history of Xbox" has been such a wet fart to me. When it comes down to it, we have the Gears remake (met with middling to positive reception), Forza (which did what Forza does very well), Halo 5 (receiving largely positive if somewhat deflated responses relative to its implied significance) and Tomb Raider 2 (which is sitting in some Best Buy warehouse next to the Wii U bundles).
From discussions earlier this year you would be ridiculed for thinking the Playstation holiday lineup could compete with Microsoft in terms of both sales significance and quality. But really, it's been and will be far less one sided than that. Marketing and bundles will provide the sales and then more niche games provide the quality "exclusives" - Tearaway, Dragon Quest, Disgaea, Tales of and Until Dawn are all very solid titles that carry little weight in shifting units. For fans of the game, The Old Hunters is also a pretty big deal. It's very very easy to see how these titles are more interesting to some than what Microsoft had to offer - even if their releases likely appeal to the larger base.
It's just interesting looking back on old discussions with some perspective. I suppose it also draws attention to how marketing positions certain games as tent pole releases and others as unimportant, and I think it's something the community buys into more than we'd like to admit. If either of the above games were marketed in a way comparable to Halo I doubt the discussion would have gained as much traction (not to imply any of these titles could sell like Halo - combined, even haha).
From discussions earlier this year you would be ridiculed for thinking the Playstation holiday lineup could compete with Microsoft in terms of both sales significance and quality. But really, it's been and will be far less one sided than that. Marketing and bundles will provide the sales and then more niche games provide the quality "exclusives" - Tearaway, Dragon Quest, Disgaea, Tales of and Until Dawn are all very solid titles that carry little weight in shifting units. For fans of the game, The Old Hunters is also a pretty big deal. It's very very easy to see how these titles are more interesting to some than what Microsoft had to offer - even if their releases likely appeal to the larger base.
It's just interesting looking back on old discussions with some perspective. I suppose it also draws attention to how marketing positions certain games as tent pole releases and others as unimportant, and I think it's something the community buys into more than we'd like to admit. If either of the above games were marketed in a way comparable to Halo I doubt the discussion would have gained as much traction (not to imply any of these titles could sell like Halo - combined, even haha).
That's not what I wanted to hear..
Hope Lara makes it out alive, the reboot was one of my favourite games last gen and I'm gonna be so mad if this exclusivity deal ends up killing the franchise.
Really don't understand what MS planned to do with TR, even if UC4 came out this year still it wouldn't have helped counter anything if they were just gonna send it out to die like they are now.
Talk about an overeaction. Smaller JRPGS have survived Xbox exclusivity...
How about X360 version? Is there any demand for it?
Nightengale
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Keyword smaller, Tomb Raider is a big duget game. Not saying it will die but If it fails someone will have to take blame for it.
If it does then it will be Microsoft because they're financially responsible for it now, risk has been minimized to Square Enix once the deal happened. The worse thing that could happen to Crystal Dynamics if sales are poor would be missing out on bonuses, which will be backed up with metacritic bonus anyway.
Katana_Strikes
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1.5m Halo was what I expected from the UK numbers so adding bundles and digital on top for the 5? Days on the market isn't too bad. I mean compared to past Halos it's poor but it's an OK number but quite a decline for the series.
it won't kill the franchise. If it really got to that point J could see it going the way of Dead Rising where MS funds the game as a true exclusive
I guess they figured they were "stuck" with it after the launch, so that's why they decided not to spend anything on marketing or bundling.
The deal is probably sunk costs at this point.
Psycho_Mantis
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50%+ decline for Halo compared to Halo 3 and the worst selling Halo debut by a notable significant amount....still in absolute terms its still a big IP. I looked back and GOW3 did 1.1 million in its debut.
maquiladora
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Don't forget the Guinness World Record for Most Viewed Internet Livestream Of A Video Game Launch Event.
Well, there's a bundle in Europe with TR DE.
Dumb of them to not bring it to NA, though.