BassForever
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TBF if we're going by sales Rayman has sold 26 million so he's not so far behind Mega Man as a franchise.
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Cloud announced for Smash Bros
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TBF if we're going by sales Rayman has sold 26 million so he's not so far behind Mega Man as a franchise.
Apparently Crash Bandicoot has sold 50m over the entire franchise.
Let's get on the Crash Smash hype train!
Karsticles
Member
The fact that he actually goes into a pose while the "LIMIT" bar charges makes me think you are right. However, that's a bit odd of Sakurai - he's usually more faithful to the material in these situations.
Troubled Bat
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Apparently Crash Bandicoot has sold 50m over the entire franchise.
Let's get on the Crash Smash hype train!
I would welcome Crash. lol
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They also missed that the second jump is taken straight from Dissidia.
Someone was able to find a full size render of Cloud. So that'll be the amiibo pose. Makes sense since it's based on his FFVII artwork.
Green Mamba
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Is this the first time Cloud has actually physically drawn the rune in Cross Slash with his sword?
Apparently Crash Bandicoot has sold 50m over the entire franchise.
Let's get on the Crash Smash hype train!
I had this conspiracy theory idea after Cloud's reveal the other day but
what if the Activision Skylanders deal for Bowser and DK was a tradeoff for Crash or Spyro in Smash
Professor Beef
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Not at all. He's done it in Dissidia, and he...might have done it in KH1, I can't remember.
Aaron Strife
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Crash would be really dope.
I wouldn't want to see Spyro because he would most likely be his Skylanders variant and eww.
TheBaldEmperor
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This is amazing.
Seven Force
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Nah, just Dissidia. He never uses any of his signature Limit Breaks in KH for whatever reason.
I dunno, I bet Sakurai would definitely pull a Pac-Man and just flatout reject Skylanders Spyro in that scenario like he did with Ghostly Adventures Pac-Man.
Not true. Cloud does nearly all of them including Omnislash and Ver 5 in Kindom Hearts 2
At first, I think the limit break meter works like Mac's that is the FF7 original mechanic, but the trailer would have to explicitly display that, like in Mac's case we actually see that in his trailer it fills up as the takes a beating or getting hits. In Cloud's case, he seems to be in a paused animation while the limit break bar fills up, and the bar only displays during that animation sequence rather than seeing it while he gets hit or makes a hit. My theory is that limit break meter works like WFT's deep breathing mechanic.
Seven Force
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I forgot about that, even though it looks nothing like it does in AC. He has Braver and Cross Slash (sans rune animations), too.
Kinda sucks that they gave Zack all of the cool ones in Birth by Sleep (Blade Beam, Meteorain, a way more faithfully anmimated Omnislash)
Waaay behind in commenting and replying to this, but you're completely and utterly wrong here. I know you have not played the games making this comment. Doubt you've even read the reviews. The game and writing are very charming. This is one of its highlights, the game does have issues, many addressed in the sequel. The game blends Battle Network, Pokemon, and DQ.
The show is also much more entertaining than Pokemon in its current state (making western references and even references to looney tunes). It seems Pokemon got super babied out like they are afraid of western audiences becoming offended.
But I will agree and say that the cat is forced into the mascot role pretty badly, but it seems to work for the kids so hey.
Someone was able to find a full size render of Cloud. So that'll be the amiibo pose. Makes sense since it's based on his FFVII artwork.
While that will be the amiibo pose (as evidenced by his actual render), that's actually not the official render, that's actually a mockup by Warchamp and Omni. (Based on the official one, of course.)
Funny thing is that's not even Cloud in that game, its gear to dress up as Cloud if I'm not mistaken. It's not even a cameo of the character lol. I can at least say that Snake got a remake of his original game on the GameCube it's at least something noteworthy.
Still it's really damn cool to have him in and can't wait to hear the music we get. This feels like the game that represents my childhood.
I do feel a bit off about this whole thing though. It feels kind of like Sakurai is just throwing his own "rules" out the window, Cloud really is stretching it as far as consistency with the Nintendo theme. That bothers me for some reason. I'm one of those people that is either hot or cold, and being luke warm agitates me greatly, swaying back and forth or drifting off into a totally different direction. But I guess that's what makes people interesting. He jokes about Chrom being just another swordsman yet adds Cloud and compares him to Ike at the end with the final smash display. Glad he's having fun with this though, I can tell he enjoys everything that comes positive about working on these games.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Say, did Cloud trend two days ago?
Yep.
But nothing about his final smash showing is made to be a comparison to Ike. It was just a fun reference to the final fight with Sephiroth.
Not everybody has much care about Cloud and thinks it's silly when other more Nintendo-affiliated characters would be better.
Not everybody has much care about Cloud and thinks it's silly when other more Nintendo-affiliated characters would be better.
I dunno...I'd have to see some of his moves before making a decision. Any taunts?
So...Cloud in Smash means Cloud amiibo. Cloud amiibo potentially means 8-bit Cloud in Mario Maker!
Would be pretty cool if it was in the style of a FF1 sprite.
Since someone said that we have two more stages which isn't in case. That's big if it's not pirate ship leftover. I strongly believe Cloud and Midgar have been worked on for long time so it might be between Mario Maker and Duck Hunt. So we might have two more stages to go.
Warning: Sorry for lazy edits. I was in rush with the image.
Edited: for people who don't understand the images, there are 6 available slots for stages. Due to omega stages, there are two slots per stages.
Didn't the same people found 3 additional roster spots found as well?
So if Cloud takes 1, next Smash Bros direct is the last one ever. I take it the last two are the ballot winners then? (And I'm sure we all can agree that Wolf is going to end up being released.) Or would it be 3 slots for characters already in development like Cloud was and 2 additional characters for the ballot winners added later?
edit: I shouldn't read too much into this and hope/expect even more characters.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I really love the concept behind Midgar stage where we would fight over Summon Materia in order to summon the summons. Yeah, it is going to be a lot of fun with friends.
Right, We should expect 2 more characters, along with Cloud; and Midgar and maybe two stages.
what are you doing gamexplain? lol How can you talk so much and still get it all wrong.
Like, i can't tell for sure that they are wrong, but that analisis looks like overthinking. Serious overthinking. The "safe" thing would be to say:
(and i'm not going to say anything surprising here, as this is likely what most people think when seeing that trailer)
- what they called his sideB is his fair (forward aerial)
- what they called his fair is his nair (neutral aerial)
- what they called his downB is his sideB
- the limit charging move is his downB and gives you one power up special (B) attack each time you have it changed (you may or may not lose the chage from getting hit)
- saying that his smash attacks also get powered up seems like another crazy/risky bet. It would surprise me if the limit charge attack had so many uses. The cyclone like attack could simply be his downB when fully changed (because if the limit move is indeed his downB, it would have to do something if the player press downB again once it is fully charged). Like, after showing cloud charging the limit bar, the trailer shows four powered up moves. You have four special attacks. Coincidence? i think not!!
The safe thing to say is that the trailer shows, in order, the powered up versions of: sideB, neutralB, upB, and downB.Just seems like the safe thing to say.
Did anyone post this? 5 Reasons why Clouds inclusion is the most important event in Smash history
I'm not so sure about 1, but 2-5 are really good points in my eyes
I'm not so sure about 1, but 2-5 are really good points in my eyes
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I started playing FFVII yesterday after my last attempt eons ago only lasted a few hours (I'm really not big on most JRPG's without the word 'Mario' in them) and I'm already halfway through the game and what the fuck why is it so much goofier and upbeat than everything else surrounding Cloud nowadays?
It reminds me of a slightly more mature Super Mario RPG in all the right ways and I'm surprisingly having a ton of fun with it but god damn does it seem like this particular branch of the FF series dramatically changed in tone over the years. I'm honestly legitimately worried that the FF7 remake is going to ditch a lot of what I'm liking about this game so far, even if it'll help leverage the admittedly-now-cheesy dramatic bits I've gone through.
Once I'm done with it is the Advent Children movie (which I watched way back but had zero context for) or the other spinoffs/prequels worth checking out?
It reminds me of a slightly more mature Super Mario RPG in all the right ways and I'm surprisingly having a ton of fun with it but god damn does it seem like this particular branch of the FF series dramatically changed in tone over the years. I'm honestly legitimately worried that the FF7 remake is going to ditch a lot of what I'm liking about this game so far, even if it'll help leverage the admittedly-now-cheesy dramatic bits I've gone through.
Once I'm done with it is the Advent Children movie (which I watched way back but had zero context for) or the other spinoffs/prequels worth checking out?
peanutbutterlatte
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Haha love reading how bitter the OP is everytime I come in here...
what are you doing gamexplain? lol How can you talk so much and still get it all wrong.
Like, i can't tell for sure that they are wrong, but that analisis looks like overthinking. Serious overthinking. The "safe" thing would be to say:
(and i'm not going to say anything surprising here, as this is likely what most people think when seeing that trailer)
- what they called his sideB is his fair (forward aerial)
- what they called his fair is his nair (neutral aerial)
- what they called his downB is his sideB
- the limit charging move is his downB and gives you one power up special (B) attack each time you have it changed (you may or may not lose the chage from getting hit)
- saying that his smash attacks also get powered up seems like another crazy/risky bet. It would surprise me if the limit charge attack had so many uses. The cyclone like attack could simply be his downB when fully changed (because if the limit move is indeed his downB, it would have to do something if the player press downB again once it is fully charged). Like, after showing cloud charging the limit bar, the trailer shows four powered up moves. You have four special attacks. Coincidence? i think not!!
Just seems like the safe thing to say.
My guess is Cloud's limit break bar works the same as Lucario's aura, but isn't a permanent buff. Taking damage fills it and gives you a few attacks or an amount of time to go nuts.
Glad you're enjoying Goofy Cloud. Mopey Cloud is from AC mostly. Wish they'd run more with Cloud as we know him in the game.
AC is worth watching, but only the complete version as it fills in a few gaps from the original AC release that should never have been there in the first place.
Woody Invincible
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The best thing about Cloud being announced is watching Max's reaction vid for it.
Sakaguchi was still around for VII (I believe he did some story stuff) so that might have helped.
I FUCKING LOVE VIDEOGAMES SO MUCH
You can, in general when you find them, what they liked the most about Sonic 2006 - beside the OST - is the whole concept of the thing. They know the shortcoming of the gameplay but still, it's the kind of Sonic they want to see as a "concept" (that sort of "Sonic Adventure 3" feel) and that's what keep them bear all the bugs and graphical inegality.
Personally, it's not enough for me to like the game but i can understand an opposite opinion. So yeah, Sonic 3D can be great or simply just nice, Cloud is also one of my favorite video game character (even if i kinda hate how Square show him nowaday)
All opinion like "Yeah this character is shit, it's only because of popularity" is nonsensical for me. It's unfortunate you don't like Cloud but I don't think you should make that judgment more absolute than it really is.
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In b4 ugly stand to hold the Buster SwordSomeone was able to find a full size render of Cloud. So that'll be the amiibo pose. Makes sense since it's based on his FFVII artwork.
Now you know why people don't really like how Cloud is represented those days, only keeping the "emo" part and ditching all the comic and goofy moment the original game had.
It was a strange almost non coherent mix but it's why i loved FFVII so much.
Regulus Tera
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Because Nomura mistook Cloud for Squall when making Advent Children.
Many of the story scenarios were written by Nojima, Sakaguchi, and Nomura in tandem. The idea to kill Aeris was Sakaguchi's, for instance.
Did anyone post this? 5 Reasons why Clouds inclusion is the most important event in Smash history
I'm not so sure about 1, but 2-5 are really good points in my eyes
While I agree that Cloud's inclusion is a big one, I don't agree that it's the most important event in Smash history based on his points.
5. All the DLC characters were never leaked by developers as far as I know. So it's not just Cloud's development being secretive. The only reason why Ryu and Roy got leaked is because of the patch file being datamined. In Cloud's case, the dev team may have taken certain measures not to happen again in Smash updates as it really ruins the surprise for everybody.
4. It's just fans that think that they fully knew of these "rules" by Sakurai. Sakurai has been known to defy some of these "rules" set by fans' expectations.
3. Probably, but I'm keeping my expectations low on that one. While SE hasn't been hot on Nintendo consoles as far as the latest FF games are concerned, SE has been producing FF remakes and spin-offs to Nintendo consoles since the GC/GBA days, so Nintendo has been getting some FF games, just not the latest main series ones.
2. While Square and Nintendo had a strained relationship in the past, I think their bad past is really been overblown. Square (Enix) has been supplying RPGs to Nintendo consoles (especially in the handheld department) up to now, from FF spin-offs and remakes, mainline DQ titles, to new RPG franchises like TWEWY and Bravely Default. Though I agree that Cloud's inclusion may foster a collaboration project between Nintendo and SE, maybe a Super Mario RPG 2 for example. It happened with Sonic and SEGA, so maybe there's a chance.
1. While I hope that happens eventually, again I'm keeping my expectations low since we still don't have a clear idea on what NX is, and we don't even know how far FFVII:R has been developed. Snake's inclusion in Brawl didn't net the Wii, or even a Wii U a port of the latest at that time MGS4 for example.
DICKS AHOY
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I mean, I can easily see how a more mature/serious take can dramatically improve scenes like the first major confrontation with Reno as Sector 7 blows up, Cloud's time with Sephiroth and obviously when Aeris/Aerith (which name is supposed to be her proper spelling?) dies. I can see how it'd have looked cool back in the 90's at least. Stuff like the switch between FMV and pre-rendered backgrounds even now is also neat, but obviously loses a ton if you're not playing on an old blurry TV where the 'switch' isn't as obvious. Basically a ton of visual tricks that would've blown my socks off as a kid but now you can easily see the seams, which you can't as much with something say like, Ocarina of Time. So with that all in mind, I think the remake's fully justified.
I just don't want that stuff improved at the cost of stuff like your entire party threatening to castrate a mafia don or Red XIII fucking about in a sailor outfit because it's too light-hearted and/or would look awkward in today's graphics.
Dr. Buni
Member
"Haha look at them, they are salty xDDDD lmoa"
It seems like people aren't allowed to dislike an inclusion in the Smash roster.
On a more relevant note, I hope the music selection for Midgar isn't as awful as it is for Suzaku Castle. FF has so much good music it would be a crime to have two songs with the other four songs being remixes of the two main songs.
BassForever
Member
Sonic 06 was terrible but I generally agree its kind of the direction I wanted the series to go in (multiple character stories adventure 1&2 style each with unique gameplay).
Oh they are completely allowed to dislike any inclusion and share their opinions on it. Just I am allowed to disagree with their opinions and even laugh when they get overly bothered by fictional characters.
People's salt over Cloud is just as entertaining as people's joy over Cloud. It's all fun.
Dr. Buni
Member
If you like acting immature in internet forums, then yeah, I guess you are allowed to "laugh at them" or whatever. I guess to respect that some people don't want/like certain characters in a game they are passionate towards is too much to ask for, right?
BishopLamont
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like geno is so much more visible