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PlayStation 4 sales (sold-through) hit 30.2 million worldwide
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eerik9000
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Just reached 2 million. Worse than PS3 did. Still behind Wii U. See the weekly Media Create threads for more information.
Hydrargyrus
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Wow, awesome numbers.
They are killing it
Congrats Sony!
They are killing it
Congrats Sony!
i think next year will be peak year. there's lost of exclusives out to drive variety, plus a $299.99 permanent price point might be in the cards (especially to help make ps vr a bit more attractive?). i have this feeling it'll be the peak year, but 2017 could be instead if we're looking at a long ramp up instead.
it's actually hard to tell if the xb1 has peaked already though. i think this year could be it, with halo 5 being a deciding factor. it's hard to tell though since i can't find better numbers than below:
2013 has 3m xb1 units sold (through) at the end of the year.
2014 has 10m xb1 units sold (in) at the start of november. it's not easy to tell if that covered all of the holiday sales too, but shipments up until november might have amounted to 6m-8m for the calendar year.
2015 has approximately 15-16m units sell-in through the end of september. depending on what 2014 was, that's 4m-6m for the fiscal year. if things work out like it did last year, the xb1 could do 7m-9m. 18-19 million shipped before the end of the calendar year would be a pretty solid result to be honest.
Pjsprojects
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Well done Sony! I guess they simply gave people what they wanted.
So another five mil over Christmas??
So another five mil over Christmas??
SolidSnakex
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Lower than the PS3, but it's been picking up the pace ever since the pricedrop. Next year should be very good for it as it appears there will be a steady flow of Japanese content throughout the year. That's been one of the biggest issues for it so far.
FinalStageBoss
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PlayStation is just a monster brand worldwide tbh
glassgannon
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and to think 2016 is arguably one of the biggest years in PS history.
TLG, Uncharted, ffxv, kh3? , dq 11, nier, street fighter, horizon,no mans sky, VR, ds3, shenmue, tomb raider , gt sport, dreams , detroit?, gravity rush 2 wild etc etc
god knows how many im missing
TLG, Uncharted, ffxv, kh3? , dq 11, nier, street fighter, horizon,no mans sky, VR, ds3, shenmue, tomb raider , gt sport, dreams , detroit?, gravity rush 2 wild etc etc
god knows how many im missing
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
Yes because the PS1 and PS2 never existed where Sony destroyed the competition and Nintendo and MSdidn't even come close. Basically what he's saying is that last generation was sort of a fluke. MS got extremely lucky, Sony fucked up badly. The console was 600 dollars, had an abysmal lineup, came out a whole year later, was tough to develop for, and Sony lost a lot of their 3rd party exclusives like Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, etc. Sony learned from their mistakes this gem though and won't go down that path again.
Unknown Soldier
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I wonder if the JRPG avalanche coming in 2016 will have any real effect on PS4 sales. JP gamers still play Final Fantasy and Persona as far as I can tell and both are coming next year.
US sales are nothing special considering where the PS4 is worldwide.
Of course for other consoles these sales would be fine but when you consider how insane it sells in europe, asia and ME you have to wonder why not in the US?
googleplex
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45 million before PlayStation VR lands?
EventHorizon
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I think it will start slower that the Kinect due to having a higher price but will ultimately do better because it actually works.
The Japanese have sold their soul to micro transactions-heavy mobile games. Shame on them I say.
i think they found that a console redesign and extended marketing can do wonders to keep people interested in a product versus lowering the price (unless extenuating circumstances call for it like the $499.99 xb1, $250 3ds/vita, or $599.99 ps3). plus, if it's profitable and it's beating expectations like the ps4 is doing, there's no need to make it cheaper and cheaper.
TBiddy
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I don't think PSVR will be a systemseller. It might be popular amongst owners, but it won't sell a lot of systems. When the PS4 and the XB1 will peak is a good question. Personally I think the XB1 will reach 20 million shipped this year, which is solid, but nowhere near the PS4 of course. But I keep seeing the argument here on Gaf, that "next year it will explode!". I don't think it will. It may sell a bit more than this year, or a bit less, but considering the price, I think many of the potential customers have already bought in.
The same can be said about the XB1, of course.
Attributing the succes of the XB360 solely to the failure of Sony is just as arrogant as Sony was when they launched the PS3. The XB360 was a fantastic console at a great price, which is why it sold well.
If Sony locks marketing rights for Mass Effect, that will be huge. If they do, I can see MS try to get rights for Hennig Star Wars game.
Yup.
Japan is a lost cause.
Thankfully the rest of the world is there to pick up the slack.
HellofaMouse
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wasnt it 28 around e3?
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
Nice going. Glad to see PlayStation reclaiming it's throne. In my opinion when PlayStation is on top it brings out the best in its competitors. The PS2, GameCube, and OG Xbox days was the best generation of gaming ever. Even though Sony was on top by eons, Nintendo and MS still put out their best efforts and some of the most memorable games ever. The NX will be out in a few, and it seems like Nintnedo will go HAM this time and attempt to go for the PlayStation's throne once again. MS is going HAM with the X1 as well. This is the first time since the OG Xbox days that MS appears to be very serious about their 1st party efforts. I think this generation hasn't even started yet. Can't wait.
Nightengale
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The way Sony talked about SW at E3, I think they locked a deal with EA and Disney for a blanket comarketing deal for all games Star Wars for multiple years.
Cthulhu_Steev
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But PS4 is hardly out in Japan.
You're enjoying yours, but you're still baffled as to why it's selling so well? Makes no sense.
~23 million at E3.
Stilton Disco
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Fantastic news, and well deserved!
Easily one of the best consoles ever made, and so many, many incredible games already. Next year looks like it's going to blow the barn doors off and take the industry to even greater heights too. Cannot wait!
The NX shouldn't even be trying to compete with the PS4. It'll get destroyed.
They need to aim for stealing MS's lunch.
The PS4 is untouchable, but if they can marry up their first party brands with at least comparable western third party support and maintain relations with Japanese Devs, then they can give the XO a kicking.
Then next gen, when everything gets set back to zero, then they can have a go with the NX2 at going head to head with Sony and the PS5.
Easily one of the best consoles ever made, and so many, many incredible games already. Next year looks like it's going to blow the barn doors off and take the industry to even greater heights too. Cannot wait!
The NX shouldn't even be trying to compete with the PS4. It'll get destroyed.
They need to aim for stealing MS's lunch.
The PS4 is untouchable, but if they can marry up their first party brands with at least comparable western third party support and maintain relations with Japanese Devs, then they can give the XO a kicking.
Then next gen, when everything gets set back to zero, then they can have a go with the NX2 at going head to head with Sony and the PS5.
The PS4 is selling well compared to the Vita though so accepting a lower margin on the hardware to make it up, and more, with games and PS+ sub's is a strategy that is more viable on PS4 than the Vita.
Is this a meme that went over my head?
Panajev2001a
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On one side semiconductor manufacturing process improvements are slowing down, but it is possible that the processor is not the only thing keeping the costs from falling. It is possible that the investment required to have a single SoC for CPU+GPU+Southbridge/SCC, simplify the motherboard, reduce power consumption much further, and consolidate other components is too high compared to the profits they would make of it.
It is possible that PS4 will not drop in price as fast as PS2 did, but it is not impossible that they were able to design a better cost reduction model from the start and beat the PS3 in that metric too.
the thing i see with sony and the ps4 is the exclusive kind of variety building for it next year that becomes hard to ignore. i think the 3ds was meant to be more heavily in decline in 2013, but instead it was basically steady in 2012, its sales kept up by a lot of high profile games that were exclusive to the platform. now numbers for ps4 won't come in droves for people buying the platform to play japanese rpgs or ps vr, but i think the perception will be that the ps4 is the one with all the games. it's a game of perception that should help it out as long as good games are being kept in the spotlight. microsoft in comparison doesn't really have that coming their way. that's not to say that rare's game, or scalebound, or the other exclusives microsoft's got coming their way won't be good, but i think there's more coming sony's way that'll really kick things into high gear.
it all depends on the price point too. i think $299.99 is mass-market stuff. we should find out this holiday season actually. if sales are still down year over year like they were in october in the us, we might be seeing 2015 as the peak year instead.
it's just a little airborne.
Check out any Halo 5 sales thread.
TBiddy
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I disagree. Well, I agree with the notion that it's a game of perception. But the average consumer doesn't really care about Shenmue, KH3 and 20 JRPGs. For them it's about the price and the big blockbusters (Fallout, FIFA, NHL etc.).
As long as the 'big' games arrive on both platforms, I think the main reason for Sonys succes is the price and the value of the brand here in Europe (and Asia).
HellofaMouse
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i remember ppl were saying the same thing about 2015 last year. we got witcher and fallout this year tho, i dont think 2016 can surpass that.
also tlg, ffxv, kh3, shemue, gt sport, dreams, detroit, wild, all very questionable in terms of when they will release. if i had to bet id say most of em will be 2017.
do people actually care about marketing deals as regular customers tho?
neurosyphilis
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PS VR, Gran Turismo, Uncharted 4, Ratchet & Clank, Detroit, Horizon, The Last Gaurdian, Persona 5, Gravity Rush 2, and the list goes on and on. Next year will be a great and expensive year. 45 million by next years end is possible.
i think nx is going to be a weird 'beyond generations' platform in that the form factors will be more regularly updated to keep up with the times, so that everything that comes out is backwards compatible. i think it'll be more competing with steam in a sense than other dedicated hardware.
some of this is my assumption that the 8th generation won't last quite as long as the 7th did, which basically overstayed its welcome. even if we go by the ps2's length on the market, the ps5 should be out in four years. i'm sure microsoft will have tried wiping the slate clean by then though, probably with an idea similar to nintendo's nx plan, except involving windows.
EventHorizon
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I think PSVR will be a system seller but it won't be immediately obvious. PSVR greatest influence early on will be as one more reason to pick the PS4 over the XB. The high combined price of the console + PSVR + controls won't cause a massive influx of gamers to buy the PS4 just for PSVR. The PSVR will be an aspirational product that gamers will anticipate eventually owning. However as the price comes down and Sony, Samsung, Valve, and Oculus advertise to promote VR, that will change.
well yeah, no one really cares about those. it's more of a factor of every game site reporting on ps4 stuff so often with good stuff (or at least the theory goes), that i makes the ps4 sound like the obviously superior choice. more of death (well in this case, success) by a thousand cuts
I think diversity is a big reason for the platforms success as well. Sure the majority of gamers may not care about a niche title from Japan or a game like Until Dawn, but when people try out or buy them, they know that those kind of experiences can be hard to find elsewhere.
Little by little over time, the diverse range of games stack up to make for a compelling reason to own the system.
PS4's worldwide success motivated several Japanese devs to develop current-gen exclusives (K-T with Ni-oh, S-Enix with Nier 2, SEGA with Valkyria, etc)
Hopefully this'll motivate the rest who seem to be dragging their feet. The sooner they make the jump and end cross-gen, the better for all of us.
Hopefully this'll motivate the rest who seem to be dragging their feet. The sooner they make the jump and end cross-gen, the better for all of us.
Stilton Disco
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Absolutely agree with you. When I say NX2, I'm thinking more a soft relaunch in the vein of the yearly iPad refresh, or PS3 Slim.
I also actually think the more standardised hardware will allow PS5 and the Xbox Two to similarly just carry their predecessors libraries forward, with MS in particular going platform agnostic with Windows 10 devices.
I can see everyone trying to copy the Steam/iOS model to some degree basically.
Calm waterfall
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While you have valid point, making the PS4 cheaper will increase profit margin for the short term and give them much more leeway for a price reduction and larger consumer base. Making PS4 more energy efficient and less loud could attract customers. Also a price reduction is more about software sales than hardware margin for the most part, especially since now people pay to play online.
Good perspective, thanks
Bioshocker
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That beast.
Not that it hasn't deserved it, and I'm a PS4 owner myself. But so far the lineup of exclusives is far from impressive.
Not that it hasn't deserved it, and I'm a PS4 owner myself. But so far the lineup of exclusives is far from impressive.
I'd like to think no, but Destiny and Star Wars Battlefront seems to be doing wonders for Sony atm.
Mass Effect
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Amazing. I think they'll definitely hit 35 million by the end of the year, or come very close to it.
Shenmue is 2017. And I'm doubting we'll get both FFXV and KH3 next year. We'll be lucky to get one of those. Wouldn't be surprised if Detroit is 2017 as well.
Doubt it. Seems like Sony will have Star Wars all locked up.
Shenmue is 2017. And I'm doubting we'll get both FFXV and KH3 next year. We'll be lucky to get one of those. Wouldn't be surprised if Detroit is 2017 as well.
Doubt it. Seems like Sony will have Star Wars all locked up.
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