Samurai G0SU
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Very nice! Uncharted 4 gonna use this??
If I go back and play Knack now, will I see a big difference?
Will this update make current games run better?
Correct. Any games that haven't been programmed to take advantage of this seventh core will get no use of it being unlocked.So is this in effect now? And this won't benefit games already released?
Can they patch these improvements? Not that I think any devs would go through that effort, just hypothetically speakingCorrect. Any games that haven't been programmed to take advantage of this seventh core will get no use of it being unlocked.
This isn't like when RAM is freed up on the system and already existing games can actually take advantage of that.
Two of the basis for the A9X "miracle" are the geekbench number which is oriented around mobile plus our conjecture that it somehow scales very linearly to desktop workloads if Apple simply wants to.That thing competes with Core M in IPC, per core. It's a little crazy. Though it might be a bit unfair to x86 chips since the ARMv8 ones, particularly Apples, do so well in encryption it drags the whole score up a bit. But since it uses a geometric mean it shouldn't be that much.
Point being, Core M is much better than Atom per core, Jaguar is maybe a little better than Atom optimistically, clock for clock, core for core.
So the A9, it's probably actually doing a bit better than the consoles on a single core basis, though yes, having 7 cores still puts them well ahead.
If Apple got core happy and threw quad Twister cores in the Apple TV, with that large heatsink and no battery to worry about to keep up clocks...Then the consoles would be very rapidly encroached upon.
Then for GPU the A9X is already around what, 400-ish Gflops? 90% increases per year for two years would have it awfully close...
Can they patch these improvements? Not that I think any devs would go through that effort, just hypothetically speaking
Very nice! Uncharted 4 gonna use this??
Hypothetically speaking, sure.Can they patch these improvements? Not that I think any devs would go through that effort, just hypothetically speaking
I would think so:
Naughty Dog is home to the ICE Team, one of Sonys World Wide Studios central technology groups. The ICE Team focuses on creating core graphics technologies used by all PlayStation developers. The ICE Team has been involved with the development of the PlayStation®4 since its inception, including hardware design, graphics libraries, performance analysis tools, and developer support (hardware evangelism).
Or they already planned for 7th core availability since very early on :]I would think so:
Naughty Dog is home to the ICE Team, one of Sonys World Wide Studios central technology groups. The ICE Team focuses on creating core graphics technologies used by all PlayStation developers. The ICE Team has been involved with the development of the PlayStation®4 since its inception, including hardware design, graphics libraries, performance analysis tools, and developer support (hardware evangelism).
Having a CPU that's significantly worse than what's in today's cellphones is a "beast" now?
Eh. As "pathetic weak-ass mobile shit" as the PS4 CPU is (that's what we usually hear from the PC people, paraphrased), I'm pretty sure it can easily do PS2 emulation on 6 cores. Probably on 1 core if the emulator is well-written.
Correct. Any games that haven't been programmed to take advantage of this seventh core will get no use of it being unlocked.
This isn't like when RAM is freed up on the system and already existing games can actually take advantage of that.
So is this in effect now? And this won't benefit games already released?
So a game like Witcher 3 couldn't have a downloaded update to take advantage?
Geekbench scores should be taken with a grain of salt. According to those scores the A9 is close to a 2.5Ghz Core i5-2520M, which of course isn't realistic.
Here's another article with a different set of benchmarks where the A9 trades blows with a Core 2 Duo E6700, which I believe is more in line with the real performance of the SoC.
Correct. Any games that haven't been programmed to take advantage of this seventh core will get no use of it being unlocked.
This isn't like when RAM is freed up on the system and already existing games can actually take advantage of that.
Pretty funny that people scoffed at the idea of the Xbox One getting an advantage from extra CPU core and a slight overclock. Now all of a sudden the PS4 might have an extra core available and it's release the Kraken.
Pretty funny that people scoffed at the idea of the Xbox One getting an advantage from extra CPU core and a slight overclock. Now all of a sudden the PS4 might have an extra core available and it's release the Kraken.
I would assume that they designed their multi-threaded game engine in such a way that it is basically independent of the number of cores. All they would have to do with a variable amount of cores, is to tweak some global variables like the fixed frame rate size, number of AI and other CPU related stuff.Or they already planned for 7th core availability since very early on :]
I don't know if this is off topic or not... Will ps4 games ever be able to be played in 4K?
Whatever they can use to try shitting over the current gen consoles. Which is hardly necessary really, since we already know the CPU in the current gen consoles is probably a weak point.Why are people talking about Twister as if it's comparable to Jaguar? On a per core basis perhaps but so far Twister has had no plans for higher than a quad core setup which means comparing per core performance doesn't give an accurate representation of differences in performance when looking at an 8 core processor like the Jaguar found in current gen consoles.
Games...never.
Movies, Yes.
Whatever they can use to try shitting over the current gen consoles. Which is hardly necessary really, since we already know the CPU in the current gen consoles is probably a weak point.
This is pretty big news. It helped the Xbox One out quite a bit.
Well I'm sure it helps some people feel better about themselves. But that's more an indictment on the individual rather than the PS4 or XBOne.Yes we do. Nobody is really debating that. Which is why it's odd that people would bend the truth to make them look worse. I mean what the hell is the point? It's not like exaggerating the performance deficit is going to change anything. The consoles are still going to have their same processors and console gamers will still buy consoles. Moaning about their potential accomplished absolutely nothing.
Any ram freed up won't be used by old games either. They expect only a certain amount if ram to be available and are programmed only to use that amount. Any new features added to SDKs for consoles will never benefit older games unless they are patched to do so.
Hopefully they get the firmware team on the RAM reductions too like how they did PS3. Didn't PS3 go from 120MB reserved for the OS to like 40MB after a few years?
I don't know if this is off topic or not... Will ps4 games ever be able to be played in 4K?
So how much recoding would you need to patch a game to take advantage of whatever performance uplift you get from the extra core?
I'm guessing it'd change from game to game, and the main calculation behind doing it would be time&effort/gain...unless there's an educational process there which would make it worth doing.
Just to paint the picture more completely, one Jaguar module [4 cores] spends 15W at default 1.6GHz cock. PS4 and Xbone have two of those modules each.
It is off-topic because another core won't make the ps4 4k. It can render 4k but don't expect good graphics.
I would buy again Echochrome 4K. But then again, I would need a 4K TV first.
1080p games must look horrible in a large 4K TV.
I would buy again Echochrome 4K. But then again, I would need a 4K TV first.
1080p games must look horrible in a large 4K TV.
maybe we can finally get games that run at solid 30fps now.