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NPD Sales Results for November 2015 [Up3: Combined Hardware For PS4 + XB1 + Wii U]
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XB1 permanent drop to $199.
Yea but it's not like it sold as badly as the gamecube either.
Give it away.
That was the Wii's 4th November not 3rd.
Final Verdict
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Thanks!
Oh, ok ty.
I saw the numbers being thrown around but never figured out where they came from.
Sad to see how bad it did, but that's what happens when you release on the same day as one of the biggest hyped games of the generation on only one platform and with poor marketing...
I hope the good folks at Crystal can keep their jobs. I really enjoyed the game.
Nothing. It will almost certainly continue to have healthy sales though, which is really all that should matter to you as a consumer.
Nothing. It was going to be this way from when the console was first shown.
Sony would have to stop selling the PS4 or Microsoft would have to buy every 3rd party exclusive to take the lead.
Ghost Slayer
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$99, buy all 3rd party games
theprodigy
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Wait, I want to ask the real questions:
Is PS3 higher than Vita?
Is PS3 higher than Vita?
As I said it never became number one.
Comeback is relatively to 2007 and 2008 terrible sales.
For example while in November 2008 they sold only 380k systems the next year in 2009 they sold 710k with the 360 at 819k.
Comeback in the way you intend it happened only with worldwide sales.
Not for a long time they still have to give it more price drops.
Cow Goes Moo
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those $20 vita tv's must've put up a fight
Bitch Pudding
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All he does is desk research, occasionally adding infos from his network if he can.
But man, he really is good in what he does. With "good" I mean he's fast, his numbers are based on facts and if he interpolates those it's usually quite reasonable.
Thats why his info gets quoted by gaming journalists around the globe. And yes, amongst some of us here on NeoGAF, he still has a huge reputation.
Hawk269
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Not much. They can only continue to make improvements to the catalog of games which will garner more users and continue to update the system. I don't think it is reasonable to think that they can do anything to catch up at this point. Like any industry, there will always be someone coming in 2nd place, it does not mean that they are going to die or go out of business, like anything there is going to be something that comes in 2nd place.
I think MS is just going to continue to drive IP's, 1st party titles, services, improvements to the system itself, better pricing in the future and most likely more attractive bundles. I think they will continue to ride that thought process until they feel it is time to release the next console and then fight the battle again.
As some one who doesn't care about the old or new version (personally MTs are going to keep me from buying the new version cause it's not an enticing enough game to sacrifice my principles and I hate MTs)... this is pretty class-less.
And, stupid honestly. Tomb Raider failling isn't going to bring the old Tomb Raider back. It will just kill the series when they decide there is no money in it. So, hate to break it to you, since you don't like the new one, TR is as good as dead to you cause the old one ain't coming back regardless.
You remind me of the original Fallout fans who still are bitter at Bethesda when it's been more than 10 years or so and the old Fallout is just not coming back. They need to get over it and move on already. And find new games they like. Hell, they can play Wasteland 2 now which is a lot like what I'd expect Fallout to be like if they continued keeping it as the type game it originally was.
gimmmick
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Damn that is ruthless.
Zombie James
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I would also like to supplement this graph with another bar graph which references the comparative sales between the '7th generation' and the '8th generation' for Sony Corp and Microsoft Corp. This data is also contained within The NPD Group's U.S. Games Industry Sales (New Physical Channel) report for the November 2015 reporting month.
Please enjoy:
Microsoft and Sony's 7th-generation consoles have both suffered miserably in the United States retail market despite the hottest sales period of the season with record '8th generation' hardware sell-through, sending a message loud and clear that their extinction is imminent.
Both Sony's 'PlayStation 3' and 'Xbox 360' suffered sharp >70% declines from November, with a paltry 72K Xbox 360 Unit Sales in the United States in November according to data from The NPD Group, and only 23K PlayStation 3 units.
RIP last gen.
All numbers are appreciated of course, and it's interesting to see what the last-gen systems can still do, but there's another, slightly more relevant system that I'd like to know something about please. Unless the 3DS fell behind Wii U, which I don't find particularly likely.
He was right about the PS4 being over 1.5m, and the gap between the consoles being 200k ish. He can't have known those unless he had some of the data.
Obliterator
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I would also like to supplement this graph with another bar graph which references the comparative sales between the '7th generation' and the '8th generation' for Sony Corp and Microsoft Corp. This data is also contained within The NPD Group's U.S. Games Industry Sales (New Physical Channel) report for the November 2015 reporting month.
Please enjoy:
Microsoft and Sony's 7th-generation consoles have both suffered miserably in the United States retail market despite the hottest sales period of the season with record '8th generation' hardware sell-through, sending a message loud and clear that their extinction is imminent.
Both Sony's 'PlayStation 3' and 'Xbox 360' suffered sharp >70% declines from November, with a paltry 72K Xbox 360 Unit Sales in the United States in November according to data from The NPD Group, and only 23K PlayStation 3 units.
Last gen it totally and utterly dead at this point.
Anyone making a cross generation title this late in the game is making a pretty huge mistake. I would love to see TR sales on the 360. They had to be miserable
MaulerX
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The 360 widened it's lead till the very end. No "comeback" in the US really.
Edit: NPD_Mulcair's numbers have the 360 outselling the PS3 3-1 for this NPD.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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Why are you comparing PS/XB 3rd Nov to Ninty's 4th? Not a fair comparison IMO.
Also, maybe a tough request, but what about a list of the top 10 Novembers ever (with the respective Nov year)?
I would also like to supplement this graph with another bar graph which references the comparative sales between the '7th generation' and the '8th generation' for Sony Corp and Microsoft Corp. This data is also contained within The NPD Group's U.S. Games Industry Sales (New Physical Channel) report for the November 2015 reporting month.
Please enjoy:
Microsoft and Sony's 7th-generation consoles have both suffered miserably in the United States retail market despite the hottest sales period of the season with record '8th generation' hardware sell-through, sending a message loud and clear that their extinction is imminent.
Both Sony's 'PlayStation 3' and 'Xbox 360' suffered sharp >70% declines from November, with a paltry 72K Xbox 360 Unit Sales in the United States in November according to data from The NPD Group, and only 23K PlayStation 3 units.
PS3 never went below $199 IIRC. I think that happened for one black friday. The price right now is at $219 which is ridiculous. To a certain extent the same is true for X360, but at least it has gotten as low as $149, or even $99 IIRC for the core model.
Both consoles could have had long legs had they been at the correct price at this point in their lifecycle (i.e. $99-129)
Please enjoy:
Microsoft and Sony's 7th-generation consoles have both suffered miserably in the United States retail market despite the hottest sales period of the season with record '8th generation' hardware sell-through, sending a message loud and clear that their extinction is imminent.
Both Sony's 'PlayStation 3' and 'Xbox 360' suffered sharp >70% declines from November, with a paltry 72K Xbox 360 Unit Sales in the United States in November according to data from The NPD Group, and only 23K PlayStation 3 units.
Thanks for the last gen data! 360 did better than I expected. Definitely, the transition to current gen for new hardware sales is nearly complete, but 73K for a system's 11th Black Friday doesn't seem too bad to me. Is it comparable to what PS2 was selling in its 11th November?
Come out with a new system and try for better results next gen. This gen is pretty much set. XB1 may still win some months, but the overall positioning isn't likely to change the rest of the gen in the U.S.
Ninja Sharingan
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But there were gifs galore and much assassinations? You gave me a level headed response that I most definitely respect. I just wanted to hear of the comedy gifs and such considering this is npd day.
Bitch Pudding
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Yeah, it's the first time he did that, I asume he got that info from his network, not direct access to NPD data. But we'll see about that.
Obliterator
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True true I should clarify,
If you are making a core AAA title, it is a huge mistake and utter waste of resources.
I'd consider it at that price. Or rather consider buying one used anyways (since I can get it cheaper that way). But first I'd have to see a must have game. So far I've seen some that look nice but not really enough to have me wish I could afford an xbox one too.
Led_Zeppelin
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The problem with that is that Fargo listen to people complaining that no one was making a real Fallout 3 and then he said "Maybe I can also do a Kickstarter" and then pitched his idea to the world. There was no alternative to Bethesda FPS/"RPG" Fallout 3, not until New Vegas did a better job at being a Fallout game and then Wasteland 2 came out as well. Now I don't think a lot of people are complaining about FO4 not being an isometric RPG.
Maybe Amirox should keep complaining until an alternative to modern Tomb Raider is available.
The important thing is that they drastically reversed gears and built up positive momentum going into PS4. 2013 was really SCE's most important year of the post-PS2 era. PS3 was sent off with some amazing games, PS+ was gaining ground, and they handled the announcement, hype cycle, and release of PS4 flawlessly. They can now do something like focus on spring releases because they are back in the driver's seat for most third party releases, in terms of unit sales. The early PS4 era has snatched the crown back for them even faster than the early PS3 era lost it. Quite a turnaround.
Yeah the comeback is intended relatively to the 2007-2008 performance. Not relatively to the 360
PS3 never was as popular as the 360 in the US obviously.Obliterator
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Why are people talking like MS has to make crazy price drops etc.
Bruh they just sold almost 1.3 million consoles in a month. That's amazing. The Xbone is doing just fine.
Bruh they just sold almost 1.3 million consoles in a month. That's amazing. The Xbone is doing just fine.
I think if they released a string of exclusives that were extremely well received, along with other improvements and a lower price, they might make the tiniest bit of ground (that is if all of PS4's exclusives floundered). I mean, the PS3 started clawing back, but it took a long time plus games like UC2, LBP, UC3, MGS4, GOW3 etc. I think the only 90+ meta exclusive on either console thus far is Bloodborne.
P.S this is comparative to the PS4. Obviously the Xbox One still did and is doing really well, at least in the US.
Welfare
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The post you quoted had every 3rd november ranked.
I'm going to bed, so if someone doesn't do that by the time I wake up, I'll do it.
This 'Halo sold 1 million in a week' nonsense is getting ridiculous. Halo hardware and software made $400 million in 1 week. MS is happy either way and Halo 7's $150 million dollar budget has already been funded.
Welfare
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I would also like to supplement this graph with another bar graph which references the comparative sales between the '7th generation' and the '8th generation' for Sony Corp and Microsoft Corp. This data is also contained within The NPD Group's U.S. Games Industry Sales (New Physical Channel) report for the November 2015 reporting month.
Please enjoy:
Any chance of how the 360 and PS3 are doing YTD compared to 2014?
Also Wii <5k
bananafactory
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People think that MS cares about NPD wins as much as they do.
and some people think nx will be 2017.
wii u doing steady year over year is probably on the back of a really strong bundle (smash and splatoon for $250 in some places, and at most $300). unlike 2013 and 2014 there's no new killer software to drive interest.
could you have imagined zelda not being delayed to nx? it might have charted in the top 10 at 500k or something, and boosted wii u sales 10-20% year over year, but ultimately would have been wasted on the wii u.
With the PC version not coming out for a year, I've been considering picking up the 360 version for cheap just to play it sooner. It's not a waste for me! :lol
They reduced the price of the XB1 last year from the start of the November NPD period to the end of the December NPD period. I'm thinking that was a little more than just coincidence. :lol
Hopefully this finally puts an end to cross gen games. This year feels like the year when the current gen truly started and next year looks even better in this regard.Please enjoy:
Both Sony's 'PlayStation 3' and 'Xbox 360' suffered sharp >70% declines from November 2014, with a paltry 72K Xbox 360 Unit Sales in the United States in November according to data from The NPD Group, and only 23K PlayStation 3 units.
aspiegamer
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I feel so bad for Tomb Raider. I like the empirical idea of the game bombing as it's a strike against backroom corporate bullcrap, but in terms of actual sales and notability it deserves far better, period. Were it a crummy game we wouldn't be having any of this discussion. Hopefully the correct people were all paid upfront and nothing was dependent on market performance. Wasn't the previous TR game the one with a developer cash reward based on metacritic score? That says to me that someone there isn't beyond signing incredibly stupid contract clauses.
Is there any specific reason why Sony wouldn't hold a similar market share in December with the PS4 and XB1 both staying at $299 for the month? Serious question.
Wait Halo 5 sold around 1.5 million in 1 month? Where are people getting these ridiculous numbers? You think it went from 3.5 million in 1 day with 4 to 1.5 in 4 weeks with 5?
I just want MS to release real numbers so people can stop with this nonsense. I remember one guy told me H5 sold 800k in US in its first week. Absolutely ridiculous.
Obliterator
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I mean don't get me wrong I'm sure they would like to be first, but that ship has sailed. Its over. Phil Spencer himself essentially said as much.
Now they need to just focus on having a solid generation, move some consoles, and sell a bunch of games and Xbox Live memberships. They can still do all of that while being 2nd to Sony.
The deals and cuts you see now are just to stay competitive and not lose more marketshare than they need to. I don't think anyone in the Xbox camp think there's any chance of them winning this generation at this point.
gimmmick
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Thank you for telling me who ZhugeEx is! I will remember to avoid him.
Similar to last month, I would now like to take the opportunity to release some data points from The NPD Group's U.S. Games Industry Sales (New Physical Sales Channel) report for November 2015.
Other data points will follow throughout the next few days as, like I said, I am very busy and can only be on NeoGAF for brief periods at this juncture.
Please keep in mind that The NPD Group tracks a 4-week month with a reporting period of 11/01/15 through 11/28/15.
Also, please read the following disclaimer:
NPD's monthly point-of-sale data reports on U.S. Games Industry sales occurring from new physical purchases at retail which is the largest channel for games sales, but does not represent 100% of industry sales; it does not account for consumer purchases made via digital distribution, used game sales, subscriptions, mobiles, rentals, or social network games. NPD's Games Market Dynamics: U.S. is issued quarterly and is NPD's official estimate of the consumer spend on the industry and it does include estimate of the size of these other monetization methods.
Sony Corp's 'PlayStation 4' took a commanding lead with 1539K units sold throughout the United States according to data from The NPD Group.
Microsoft Corp's 'Xbox One,' while still successful, was only up 5% year-over-year with 1296K.
Nintendo's 'Wii U' was far less successful. Wii U Hardware Unit Sales were only up 0.1% from November 2014, flatlining at 240K. Such flatlined demand for Nintendo's Wii U heralds its future demise because of its lackluster performance despite very cheap Black Friday discounts.
Last month's graph can be found here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=185308652&postcount=2812
This month's graph:
299.99 is truly the sweet spot for console sales price.
He told you the truth. Just FYI.
Obliterator
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Random thought, but I wonder if we will see console redesigns this E3 or if that will still be another year out from next.