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[leroidys]

Choosing to switch platforms for a release midway through development will always incur additional costs. We can see in the case of GC->Wii, many games moved platforms as the cost was relatively low. This is because the architecture and tools were so similar between platforms. For the NX, there's so far absolutely no indication that it's going to continue with similar architecture to GC/Wii/U, which would in turn make it a riskier decision to move platforms mid-development.

Then there's design considerations. It's entirely possible that the game would have to be absolutely gutted to be played without the gamepad.

Then there's Kimishima's comments about the focus right now being to keep Wii U owners happy so that they have good PR going into the NX launch (could just be talk though, but I think the strategy is sound).

 

[James Scott]

Choosing to switch platforms for a release midway through development will always incur additional costs. We can see in the case of GC->Wii, many games moved platforms as the cost was relatively low. This is because the architecture and tools were so similar between platforms. For the NX, there's so far absolutely no indication that it's going to continue with similar architecture to GC/Wii/U, which would in turn make it a riskier decision to move platforms mid-development.

Then there's design considerations. It's entirely possible that the game would have to be absolutely gutted to be played without the gamepad.

Then there's Kimishima's comments about the focus right now being to keep Wii U owners happy so that they have good PR going into the NX launch (could just be talk though, but I think the strategy is sound).

I think dropping the Wii U version if it's that far along would be silly.
There's is this quote from awhile back:

It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately.

Which I'd interpret as meaning that porting from Wii U to NX won't be too hard.
So unless the gamepad is central to the gameplay of the new title or if it's ready by like June I dont' see why it should miss the new system.
I'd be fine with it either way as long as it's good

 

[leroidys]

I think dropping the Wii U version if it's that far along would be silly.
There's is this quote from awhile back:

Which I'd interpret as meaning that porting from Wii U to NX won't be too hard.
So unless the gamepad is central to the gameplay of the new title or if it's ready by like June I dont' see why it should miss the new system.
I'd be fine with it either way as long as it's good

Ah, I missed that quote. That's interesting, though pretty vague.

I'm going to be buying an NX no matter what, so it's fine with me if they move it. It seems like it's probably on Wii U as of right now though.

 

[shark sandwich]

Which I'd interpret as meaning that porting from Wii U to NX won't be too hard.
So unless the gamepad is central to the gameplay of the new title or if it's ready by like June I dont' see why it should miss the new system.
I'd be fine with it either way as long as it's good

My interpretation of that quote is that NX's OS, APIs and developer tools will be a superset of Wii U's. Meaning porting a game from Wii U to NX could be as simple as recompiling (well I'm sure not THAT simple, but the vast majority of code could be reused).

 

[PK Gaming]

People actually care about Paper Mario characters? Excuse the pun, but they are literally 2D in terms of personality.

They're a heck of a lot better than your average Mario characters, that's for sure

 

[leroidys]

My interpretation of that quote is that NX's OS, APIs and developer tools will be a superset of Wii U's. Meaning porting a game from Wii U to NX could be as simple as recompiling (well I'm sure not THAT simple, but the vast majority of code could be reused).

Yeah, hard to say without greater context.

 

[James Scott]

People actually care about Paper Mario characters? Excuse the pun, but they are literally 2D in terms of personality.

In Sticker Star maybe. They're pretty cool in the other games

 

[udivision]

In Sticker Star maybe. They're pretty cool in the other games

I was wondering... Could Sticker Star even have a chapter like Glitz Pit in TTYD? It's not like the characters of Rawk Hawk, Grubba, or Jolene were "deep" or anything, but you can't pull off something like that (well) without having some actual characterizations.

 

[madstarr12]

I'd like a game where gameplay is in the vain of the first 2 PM games, but with a ton of new characters and have the game centered on that. One reason I liked SPM on Wii, a different world, different species of characters, etc.

BTW, by KoopaKIDS, is it the Koopalings, or Bowser's minions from Mario Party?

 

[rardk64]

I do hope IS listened to the fans and make a new game in the vain of the first two.
Those are still good, they don't feel old or outdated, we don't need new wacky concepts to keep it selling.
Would be super exciting if I see party members and classic turn based style

Agreed 100%. I'm really hoping they were paying attention. Sticker Star got decent reviews, but I feel like most of the people I hear from about it had a negative experience with it.

Another likely possibility is that Intelligent Systems decides to try another experimental approach, as they have with the last 2 games. I honestly hope they don't bother in this case. The story in Nintendo games has been diminishing in importance for too long now. I think we need Paper Mario to bring that back a bit.

 

[jariw]

I think dropping the Wii U version if it's that far along would be silly.
There's is this quote from awhile back:

Which I'd interpret as meaning that porting from Wii U to NX won't be too hard.

Which I interpret as a signal to third party developers (mosty indies at this time), that if they develop for Wii U they will be adapt the game to a new platform.

So unless the gamepad is central to the gameplay of the new title or if it's ready by like June I dont' see why it should miss the new system.

I still feel that "putting lots of Nintendo Wii U game on a future console" mainly is a GAF meme.

Nintendo usually don't cross-port games to other future consoles, unless there is a new input system that would change the way the game is played, or a big budget title with long development times (like Zelda).

It also doesn't make any business sense for Nintendo to move too much games to the next console, in the long run. If that becomes a mindset (outside GAF), people will be reluctant to buy any future console, since they will "know" the game will appear on the next system anyhow.

 

[Pokemaniac]

Which I interpret as a signal to third party developers (mosty indies at this time), that if they develop for Wii U they will be adapt the game to a new platform.



I still feel that "putting lots of Nintendo Wii U game on a future console" mainly is a GAF meme.

Nintendo usually don't cross-port games to other future consoles, unless there is a new input system that would change the way the game is played, or a big budget title with long development times (like Zelda).

It also doesn't make any business sense for Nintendo to move too much games to the next console, in the long run. If that becomes a mindset (outside GAF), people will be reluctant to buy any future console, since they will "know" the game will appear on the next system anyhow.

Yeah, I think all the sentiment of "They'll port tons of Wii U games to NX" recently has been pretty odd. Like you say, there's not much of a precedent for Nintendo to do it. I think what people should really hope for if they want to play Wii U games on NX is some form of backwards compatibility.

 

[Kaisos]

Yeah, I think all the sentiment of "They'll port tons of Wii U games to NX" recently has been pretty odd.

People just want to play "better" versions of current-gen WiiU games, without having to buy a WiiU in order to play them at all.

Some people also don't want those games to be "lost forever" to the "black hole that is the WiiU".

 

[Ansatz]

Yeah, I think all the sentiment of "They'll port tons of Wii U games to NX" recently has been pretty odd. Like you say, there's not much of a precedent for Nintendo to do it. I think what people should really hope for if they want to play Wii U games on NX is some form of backwards compatibility.

For some reason people expect this bombardment of Nintendo 1st party titles on NX, that they should cease all development for current gen and go all out at/near launch to ensure success.

Also it's very annoying when people talk about NX without specifying which form factor they're refering to. I assume people here think the console is launching this year which is why you question it being a Wii U exclusive, but there's nothing that suggests this is the case. Plus @gibbogame believes the console is launching in 2017 aka console partner device;

 

[Zalman]

More than anything, I hope Ryota Kawade is directing again. He did a great job with the first three games.

 

[Kaisos]

Also it's very annoying when people talk about NX without specifying which form factor they're refering to.

I read this line and thought I had missed the Chris Pratt avatar for a minute.

 

[The Dutch Slayer]

Probably end of the day EU time because that is early day NoA and then they have a full day of PR.
Most likely 15:00 / 16:00 CET.

 

[JediLink]

People actually care about Paper Mario characters? Excuse the pun, but they are literally 2D in terms of personality.

Paper Mario 1 I feel you. Super Paper Mario definitely to a lesser extent. But have you played Thousand Year Door? Maybe not every character is super deep, but they're so unique, charming and memorable. On the hero side you've got your seven partners of course: Goombella, Koops, Flurrie, the Yoshi, Vivian, Bobbery and Ms Mowz. There's also the main supporting characters Professor Frankly and TEC, and a whole bunch the goofy side characters like Rawk Hawk, Don Pianta, Flavio and Pennington. On the antagonist side you've got Hooktail, Lord Crump, (Chapter 3 Spoilers)

Spoiler

Grubba

, Beldam, Doopliss, Cortez and BOWSER (who might be the funniest character in the whole game) plus his faithful assistant Kammy. I love every single character I just listed. That's not even going into all the extremely minor characters who, although they may not have had large roles or a great amount of development, are also quirky and fun in line with the rest of the game. Not the same for you?

 

[Aostia]

Probably end of the day EU time because that is early day NoA and then they have a full day of PR.
Most likely 15:00 / 16:00 CET.

what are you talking about?

 

[TheMoon]

Probably end of the day EU time because that is early day NoA and then they have a full day of PR.
Most likely 15:00 / 16:00 CET.

You're drunk. Read the OP please.

 

[The_Lump]

I'm not saying I agree with the poster, that I prefer the language or that I share the opinion, but to say anyone who questions Emily Rogers's credibility is sexist is unfair. I have few feelings about her one way or another but she has made mistakes, and those have stuck with her reputation for a reason.

No one is saying that. I'm saying that referring to her as a "Little Attention whore" could certainly be interpreted that way. And was interpreted that way by me.

 

[Crazyorloco]

Not sure why you'd think that. Wii U games releasing this year and NX releasing this year aren't mutually exclusive.

Yeah theres no reason to think nintendo will just drop the wii u this year because nx is coming. I do think this will be the final year wii u gets strong support from nintendo though.

What i feel will be interesting is when the wii u gets a price drop.

 

[Simbabbad]

Yeah, I think all the sentiment of "They'll port tons of Wii U games to NX" recently has been pretty odd.

Indeed. It it just "kill the Wii U already" from people who don't want to buy one. It already has a great library, people, and the gamepad would make a much more interesting Paper Mario.

 

[Keasar]

If true, I hope its closer to Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door than the last two titles. Love the first Paper Mario games still today.

 

[Tizoc]

Hopefully this new pm game wont be as disappointing as sticker star.

 

[Farmboy]

A VC release of TTYD to accompany this would be very welcome. I never finished it (GoTshame.gif) and no longer have any hardware hooked up that can run it.

 

[thecouncil]

Is there anything to say it isn't just an HD remake of one of the old games?

 

[Shotgun Kiss]

Is there anything to say it isn't just an HD remake of one of the old games?

You say "just", but at this point, I have so little faith in the Paper Mario series that I'd be ecstatic if that were the case.

 

[TheMoon]

A VC release of TTYD to accompany this would be very welcome. I never finished it (GoTshame.gif) and no longer have any hardware hooked up that can run it.

There's no GameCube VC.

Yeah theres no reason to think nintendo will just drop the wii u this year because nx is coming. I do think this will be the final year wii u gets strong support from nintendo though.

What i feel will be interesting is when the wii u gets a price drop.

In fact, they have publicly stated the exact opposite even. Whatever that's worth.

 

[Solid SOAP]

So where's this game at!?

 

[DeathoftheEndless]

Could be fun. Those expecting a turn-based game should prepare for disappointment though.

 

[Capra]

You say "just", but at this point, I have so little faith in the Paper Mario series that I'd be ecstatic if that were the case.

Yeah, honestly I can safely say a TTYD HD would be an instant-buy for me whereas looking at the series' recent output...

 

[udivision]

So where's this game at!?

Next Nintendo direct?

 

[ChaosZeroX]

I hope its not liek Sticker Star.

 

[weekev]

What I thikn they should do with Paper Mario is get rid of the battle system but not the attacks. Make it a combo based character action game but with quirky characters and dialogue.

You would still level up and meet new characters but it wouldnt be a turn based copy paste job of the previous versions.

I feel it would add loads to the flow of the game.

 

[Dimmle]

I'm preparing for a worst case scenario of the new Paper Mario being a Disney Infinity-esque vehicle for amiibo used as Mario's companions. Even then, I used the word "companions" in regard to a new Paper Mario which is highly optimistic of me.

 

[TheMoon]

So where's this game at!?

You do realize that this was never about an official announcement happening today, right?

 

[UnemployedVillain]

If it's true, then NX might been released later than we think.

Lol "we"? There are a bunch of people who maintained it'll be released in 2017 while others use every time we hear about it as indication it's releasing earlier and earlier

 

[Yukinari]

What I thikn they should do with Paper Mario is get rid of the battle system but not the attacks. Make it a combo based character action game but with quirky characters and dialogue.

You would still level up and meet new characters but it wouldnt be a turn based copy paste job of the previous versions.

I feel it would add loads to the flow of the game.

While we're at it lets turn Chibi Robo into a 2D platformer and Banjo Kazooie into a car game. Oh wait.

 

[TheMoon]

Lol "we"? There are a bunch of people who maintained it'll be released in 2017 while others use every time we hear about it as indication it's releasing earlier and earlier

Dude, it's already out.

 

[Mory Dunz]

Is there anything to say it isn't just an HD remake of one of the old games?

It has koopa kids, so it's almost certain it's not a remake.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Oh shit. Koopa Kids will be in this? Looking forward to the boss gauntlet.

 

[Mariolee]

Oh shit. Koopa Kids will be in this? Looking forward to the boss gauntlet.

Really hoping there are new amazing characters outside of them. From what I've heard Sticker Star was pretty sparse despite introducing Bowser Jr

 

[L Thammy]

It has koopa kids, so it's almost certain it's not a remake.

Maybe it's an HD remake but all the original characters will be replaced by standard Mario ones

 

[Kinsei]

Really hoping there are new amazing characters outside of them. From what I've heard Sticker Star was pretty sparse despite introducing Bowser Jr

Yep. Sticker Star has a grand total of two memorable characters. One was a wiggler that lost it's segments and the other was a snifit that hosted a game show.

 

[TheMoon]

Maybe it's an HD remake but all the original characters will be replaced by standard Mario ones

Why stop there!

+ lewd new added scenes and dialogue that will be specifically censored for NA's version with memes and run in 50Hz in the EU version and not release at all in Australia.

 

[L Thammy]

Why stop there!

+ lewd new added scenes and dialogue that will be specifically censored for NA's version with memes and run in 50Hz in the EU version and not release at all in Australia.

Baby Peach will be a thousand year old dragon in a bikini
She will replace Hooktail

 

[also]

Why stop there!

+ lewd new added scenes and dialogue that will be specifically censored for NA's version with memes and run in 50Hz in the EU version and not release at all in Australia.

+ it will be the first a2p game - Amiibo to play. You need an Amiibo to get past the tittle screen.

 

[Solid SOAP]

You do realize that this was never about an official announcement happening today, right?

I guess not!

 

[claude.labonte]

This would totally make sense with the amiibo cards - Please I love cards