I actually kind of have a theory on that.
Maybe she went to the past as well, and was able to basically pull a "Dio" and replace someone else this time.
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Zero Escape 3 announced, Summer 2016. PR: 3DS and Vita
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I actually kind of have a theory on that.
small VLR true ending spoiler:
Of course she could have lied to Sigma when she said she never was at the test site. But Sigma would immediately recognize her if she was just posing as participant 6 as he knows how she looks like when she was younger.
grim-tales
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Perhaps he's just messing
In 999 June (Akane) had 6 at the start but it turns out she wasnt really 6
PurpleMaster
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grim-tales
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Who was he again?
Wasn't he the dead guy in the captain's costume behind Door 1 in 999?
SoulUnison
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Seth Balmore
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Yep.
If I recall correctly, he was one of the men responsible for the nonary game where Akane participated, one of the people she wanted to exact revenge on.
Tricky I Shadow
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I know anything goes with Zero Escape, but I think you guys might be looking into things a bit too much. It's probably just Akane.
AND I COULDN'T BE HAPPIER!
grim-tales
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If it's Akane
do we think the ultimate goal of the game is to reset all the timelines and find a future where Jumpy and Kanny can be happy together?
Tricky I Shadow
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Even if it doesn't end up being her, I still think that's ultimately the end goal. It would make a nice ending.
grim-tales
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Thank you ^^
So worth it. Trust me.
It's not so bad though. You can skip text you've already read and you'll fly through the puzzles when you already know the solution. The first puzzle is the worst though.
Please no
Akane is an awful person and made Jumpei suffer alot, i would hate if they end together
Then what's the reason for her to lie to Sigma if she just ends up openly participating at the test site?
grim-tales
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I think she was once a good person, she's not evil per se but became twisted from the weird Nonary Game shit
AbrahamGiggles
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Skip it, read a plot summary, and go to VLR. That's what I recommend to all of my friends who nearly make the mistake of actually playing the first game, and they still loved VLR. This will go against what a lot of people here say, but you really don't need any more than a cursory knowledge of what happened in it to get the most out of the twists. Hell, even if you don't do that, VLR is miles ahead of 999 in terms of quality.
999 is one of my least liked games ever, I may be biased.
If she was, it was a long time ago. She had her reasons, sure, but she was already a manipulative psycho by the time of 999.
Perhaps she did not have the knowledge that she participated yet because that Sigma had not yet gone through the events which would cause her to join?
Funyarinpa
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You might be quite literally the only person I have seen who loves VLR and hates 999.
AbrahamGiggles
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I know. I always feel like the only crazy person in a room full of sane people. I mean, I did like 999 when I first played it, but I replayed it twice and it did not hold up well.
Anyway, my shitty opinions are probably off topic, so...
I'm actually not expecting a participant today. If 4infinity taught us anything, it's that the days of the week when info comes out probably don't matter.
It's not 6, it's upside down 9. 9th man confirmed.
I'm still against her being Akane. She flat out said she wasn't there.
I was thinking earlier when some people were saying that Participant 6 was Akane, and Uchikoshi seemingly confirming that Junpei will also participate that maybe there will be different participants depending on the timeline. In VLR timeline Akane and Junpei don't participate, but when we manage to change the timeline, one or both of them will.
Downside would be that some other characters would have to be kicked out.
I'm still against her being Akane. She flat out said she wasn't there.
I was thinking earlier when some people were saying that Participant 6 was Akane, and Uchikoshi seemingly confirming that Junpei will also participate that maybe there will be different participants depending on the timeline. In VLR timeline Akane and Junpei don't participate, but when we manage to change the timeline, one or both of them will.
Downside would be that some other characters would have to be kicked out.
Too much participation
Take a long one month hiking and play the game every day at your resting point
that's actually how I played 999
Bjoern the Smexy
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Get out.
Also I'm still not convinced that Participant 6 is
__Akane__
PurpleMaster
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Yeah, I'm all in for n.6 to be Akane. My only issue
God, theories, please stop...
is of course how this contradicts her statements in VLR.
Although, if you think about it, she doesn't flat out say that she wasn't there, but that she doesn't know anything about what happened in there, something along the lines of what Junpei said. Which is weird. It could be that Akane is waiting for Sigma to do the jump.
Still, if both Akane and Junpei are participants, I really think that they were working together and that their separation happened actually AFTER ZE3.
Although, if you think about it, she doesn't flat out say that she wasn't there, but that she doesn't know anything about what happened in there, something along the lines of what Junpei said. Which is weird. It could be that Akane is waiting for Sigma to do the jump.
Still, if both Akane and Junpei are participants, I really think that they were working together and that their separation happened actually AFTER ZE3.
I don't think that's Akane...
EDIT: Do we need to spoiler tag this stuff in a ZE3 thread?
Didn't we learn in VLR that she didn't take part in the Mars Testing Site?
Also, in the 999 Q&A, Uchikoshi said Junpei spent his life looking for her after the events in 999, and he only met her again during VLR. And we do know Junpei does take part in the Mars Testing Site events.
Granted, that Q&A was way before VLR was in the works, so I don't know how much Uchikoshi had planned beforehand, but still.
Also, in the 999 Q&A, Uchikoshi said Junpei spent his life looking for her after the events in 999, and he only met her again during VLR. And we do know Junpei does take part in the Mars Testing Site events.
Granted, that Q&A was way before VLR was in the works, so I don't know how much Uchikoshi had planned beforehand, but still.
EDIT: Do we need to spoiler tag this stuff in a ZE3 thread?
Funyarinpa
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http://www.aksysgames.com/999/answers
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The question in the Q&A I mentioned earlier.
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Did they ever catch up to Akane and Aoi in the end?
Nope, they didn't. Junpei goes on the spend to rest of his life chasing after her.
Nope, they didn't. Junpei goes on the spend to rest of his life chasing after her.
The question in the Q&A I mentioned earlier.
OMG!!!!! yes, yes, yes, please
I disagree. She
was incinerated as a child and in order to survive the event that caused it all she had to recreate it. She had people who were assisting her and it's obvious Junpei doesn't hold it against her after the games end. She also never planned to have Junpei murdered nor anyone else and her and Aoi participate knowing full well they could be murdered too. The problem is that Ace is a piece of shit who never wanted to repent until forced. She even gives all four pharmaceutical members a chance to admit their guilt but Ace once again get's them killed.
She's one of the most complex characters and saying she's awful is completely ignoring her situation and goals.
As for VLR:
She has the right idea in wanting to prevent a world catastrophe and many of the participants are willing ones once again. Her methods are questionable but she's not evil for what she wants to do. Willing participants were Sigma, Phi, Akane, Dio, Junpei, Quark(though that's Junpei's fault), K and Luna.
The reason I think many are questioning it is because it seems like such a huge thing to just reveal. We could easily just find out in game and be surprised she's a participant especially since many didn't think she would appear in the test centre. Even so, my favourite character appearing isn't a bad thing so I'm super excited. Just would prefer it not get released like that.
I feel like she actually was there but isn't revealing why for some reason. I just would be surprised if she's revealed this easily.
R_thanatos
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We can retcon that "part" from existence with a well written good ending.
Also , she trully had no other choice in the matter, given what she knew
grim-tales
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VLR spoiler
Tenmyouji (Junpei) says in VLR that "she's not the Akane I knew" though maybe they cant be together. Age really changes some people, but I found aspects of his story really sad
Well
if we manage to stop Radical6 in ZTD she won't (hopefully) become Akane from VLR
As Sawgro on Zero Escape reddit noticed:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ZeroEscape/comments/45uqsp/ztd_spoilers_uchikoshi_reveals_identity_of/
Nona could've had 6 in the very first Nonary Game.
It's fine, I think VLR is garbage but I adore 999.
Tricky I Shadow
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I think 'evil' is a little strong of a word to describe her. She's more of a victim than anything. Some of her actions can be questionable, but in the end they all seem to be for the greater good.
Who the hell knows? That's for Uchikoshi to figure out. I'm sure he can come up with something.
cj_iwakura
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999 is stellar from start to finish, VLR has serious highs and lows. It suffers from the same flaw as most sequels,
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'let's ruin a happy ending'
How is that a flaw? If anything stories are far more interesting when they don't go with the whole fairy tale "and they lived happily ever after" crap. With some long running stories it's nice to see that some characters get some peace & happiness at the end after all the struggles they've gone through, but it's not wrong or a flaw for some stories to go the other way.
cj_iwakura
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Because a story is often written to have a solid start and end, oftentimes a sequel shoe-horns in drama to make a sequel compelling.
You know damn well XIII's ending wasn't written with the intention of having it undone a few minutes later.
petethepanda
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I'll just tag this whole thing to be safe, re: Akane.
Wondering if they can salvage that, or if they'll even attempt to. I did really enjoy VLR overall, but I'm not sure that ZTD can change my feeling that 999 would have been best kept as a self-contained, perfect package.
...but what if it does
Definitely curious to see how the Akane stuff goes, the "payoff" of her and Junpei was my biggest disappointment with VLR. I wasn't unsatisfied because they didn't have some romantic meeting and run off into the sunset - this is clearly not the kind of series where that happens - I was unsatisfied since the reveals just came and went with practically no fanfare, as if they no longer cared and were only referencing it out of obligation to the first game. I couldn't believe it. I get that they were trying to change direction to hopefully attract a bigger audience with VLR and maybe they assumed the theoretical new players wouldn't care about 999 stuff, but still.
Wondering if they can salvage that, or if they'll even attempt to. I did really enjoy VLR overall, but I'm not sure that ZTD can change my feeling that 999 would have been best kept as a self-contained, perfect package.
...but what if it does
FFXIII is about the worst example to use of any kind of storytelling coherence between sequels. That's from the bad side of the spectrum of how to do sequels.
Still not a good argument for claiming negating happy endings is a flaw. If there are recurring characters who previously had a happy ending, they need new drama/conflict to make their participation in a story interesting and sometimes that means taking their stories to very sad/bad paths and there's really nothing inherently wrong with that. Of course if that is done badly, then it can be a bit of a downer if the first part ended in a satisfying way, but the way VLR does it (what I remember of it, anyway, my memories of both 999 & VLR are starting to be a bit fuzzy, need to replay them sometime before ZE3) is quite in-line with the kind of dark/twisted world of Zero Escape where
mind-time-travel, world ending conspiracies/terrorism
Agreed with these assessments.
Virtue's Last Reward is a pretty classic "middle-part" in a trilogy, where the first part is often a bit smaller scale stuff just to ease the player/readers/watchers into the world of the story without intimidating them with something overly complex from the start (if there was even anything planned past the story of the first game?). Then the middle part ups the ante and starts expanding on the mythology/history of the setting, which means that not only do they have to establish the connection to the first story firmly (which is especially hard when the connection is as far out from the previous game as VLR is), it also has to do its own thing that further expands on all the concepts & larger storyline of the trilogy, and then it also has to set up the final part in the trilogy so that the finale isn't something that's not foreshadowed at all. The middle part needs to have stuff that implies where the larger storyline is headed, to establish a bit more about why anything is even happening. So often the self-contained story of the middle-part is a bit weaker because there's just so much that it has to do in addition to telling its own story while it almost inevitably leaves itself at a bigger cliffhanger when we have a slightly better idea of where the end-game is going.
Here's hoping Zero Time Dilemma ends the whole thing as strongly as 999 started it all (or even better).
Here's hoping Zero Time Dilemma ends the whole thing as strongly as 999 started it all (or even better).
Would make sense.
I want to believe it's two, and the other one is a trailer, but that's unlikely.
AbrahamGiggles
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Never give up. Always believe that a trailer is just around the corner...
Every week I'm just happy that this is shorter than 4infinity.
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