Goodacre0081
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one might ask why Phil is still being so stubborn about the indie policy.
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Microsoft announces Xbox Live cross-network (PSN and other networks) play
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one might ask why Phil is still being so stubborn about the indie policy.
The Real Napsta
Member
What's your example of 360/PS3 crossplay?
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Thanks for posting that, lots of perspective.
I'm really glad they changed in this regard because it was honestly something that is completely indefensible and really benefited nobody. Even better for them to actively push it as an initiative to encourage it.
Moon_frogger
Member
Dear lord This is entertaining. It's inherent in the reply. Portal 2 coop was through Steam servers. logging into steam through xbox 360 would have just connected them to steam where they would have been playing the game in the same pool as everybody else. You are super duper reaching here.
I've already tried to explain that cross platform play is only possible on a game to game basis. This discussion will have to occur for nearly every single game that has it, due to the nature of online play. It's not just a switch they flip. Also they have probably been coached by their publisher and microsoft to not make microsoft look like the badguy in the scenario. Clearly Microsoft is trying to spin this to be some new innovation that they've brought to the console market instead of them just agreeing to play ball. Anyways, I guess I'm done trying to talk to you about this. there are other posts with other examples of dev's straight up saying it's been microsoft the whole time. It's clear you're just going to dismiss it all though. Cheers. Also you just contradicted yourself admitting that FFXI had cross platform and then going on to suggest rocket league would be the first time in history? LOL you are quite something.
Lee Chaolan
Member
Good for them. This will be good for fighting games. Would be nice if they could patch it in for Battlefront for PS4 and XB1 players.
AncientDiety
Banned
Pretty sure he is making stuff up.
First class citizens.
Oh right, and the parity clause supposedly never existed to begin with or something like that if you asked them.
omnislayer
Member
What?
Like seriously I still have no idea what your trying to say.
Maybe if you'd stop ignoring the people who posted about several games that had the system in place to allow crossplay between consoles and didn't do it because microsoft did not allow it you would understand.
FFXI, Lost Planet, Shadowrun, Universe at War, Blazblue.
I didn't know that, tbh. I thought the steamworks implementation was for cross-platform saves and the free copy.
lmao, if you say so. there has been two. Defiance and FF. Both MMOs. That was a quote from the VP of Psynoix not me, probably because he sees the difference between the MMOs having it and the implications of every future game having it.
AncientDiety
Banned
None of those games were cross play with PSN.....We have developers stating MS were the reason several games were not allowed cross play on xbox...not one for sony. Those were cross play because they were only on games for windows live...which you had to pay for, and are MS own network.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/mi...tform-play-says-war-thunder-dev/1100-6418587/
Here is another one.
omnislayer
Member
This has gotta be trolling, but I just can't tell anymore.
get2sammyb
Member
Yeah, I'm very surprised by the response that this has gotten.
Can you still crossplay with those games though? Oh wait, I wonder why those games were crossplay...
Moon_frogger
Member
No problem whatsoever. See FFXIV for an example.
I believe Yoshida wants FFXIV on every platform possible, so it's probably all but confirmed.
Although I was under the impression that the other reason FFXIV may not come to Xbox One is due to Microsoft forcing users to have a Gold subscription in order to play the game and Yoshida said he didn't want users paying for 2 subscriptions.
And the very fact that thats an issue?
The fact that "XBOX ONE- Microsoft announces crossplay with other platforms" is trending on facebook and who knows where else currently?
and clicking that will give wave after wave of people believing exactly what you just said?
That would be why sony should respond.
Because before it was relegated to quotes from devs in random interviews, and is common knowledge on here, on enthusiast forums. (and even here, theres people who still dont know, hence this whole conversation)
To your average gamer who doesnt take the time to find out the history of it all?
MS just announced console crossplay, and Sony have yet to respond.
And if you cant understand that, then theres not much else to say.
Edit: Most of this wasn't directed towards you, person I quoted. You just very put an idea I was trying to get across in a very precise way.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
I'll believe that I can play The Division with my Xbox friends when I'm actually doing it. And not a second earlier.
boredandlazy
Member
You'd have to ask Sony. They're the ones holding it up apparently.
Chobel
Member
Other than FFXI, all these used GFWL, MS' network.
those were all inside microsofts ecosystem, GFWL was just xbox live on vista, whats different now is microsoft is cool with allowing xbl to connect with outside ecosystems like steam or psn.
legacyzero
Banned
Out of all the coverage I've done for this game, I've never seen that icon on the box until now. AND I've preordered THAT version LMFAO.
Thanks
That was the plan i bet. MS's PR is masterful.
They're getting so much attention from something Sony has been doing for years, that they never wanted too. My cousin literally just came to me with this news as if it's some groud breaking thing.
Goodacre0081
Member
i never noticed an ingame VOIP option when playing on PC. we always used Mumble.
so if I used that I could have heard PS4/PS3 players chatting?
i thought they got rid of that requirement when they axed the "you need Gold to use Netflix/ WebBrowser" ordeal.
Woo-Fu
Banned
Maybe they read GAF and see everybody saying, "I'll buy the game on the platform that has my friends on it since multiplayer is important." or "The community is already half dead on xbox one and PC, I should have bought the PS4 version."
So now if a multiplayer game features crossplay you don't have to worry about the viability of the community specific to your platform of choice.
Moon_frogger
Member
Guys, games will have to be designed with cross platform play in mind, from the ground up for this to work. You aren't going to suddenly see dark souls II and battlefront going cross platform just because microsoft suddenly said 'yes'. This will be for a handful of games to start, from developer that have a very specific vision in mind for their online environments. I doubt next year's call of duty or destiny will be cross platform either. The only reason this is happening retroactively with rocket league is because it was already designed to be cross play from the start on ps4 and pc.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
MS finally letting up on that front? Nice!
EDIT: Reading through this thread, the rhetoric about MS never being against it despite having some devs state it otherwise, and somehow Sony should response, when it's been a let devs do their thing with cross-platform for Sony for a long time now....wait what? What is this revisionist history?
EDIT: Reading through this thread, the rhetoric about MS never being against it despite having some devs state it otherwise, and somehow Sony should response, when it's been a let devs do their thing with cross-platform for Sony for a long time now....wait what? What is this revisionist history?
If they did, that's great, but technically there hasn't been a game that required both so far right?
I second this idea
Dust 514 was another title in that list
breadtruck
Member
Hell yeah MS, keep it up!
Yup. Microsoft's rule has always been that if you want to do crossplatform multiplayer, you have to play by their rules. Their servers and their infrastructure. On Xbox 360 that meant GFWL (RIP) and Xbox Live. With the Xbox One it meant Azure and Xbox Live/Windows 10. They've finally given up on trying to force developers to play by their rules, and that's a good thing.
The one exception was FFXI, but that was mainly to get Square's support for the Xbox360.
Moon_frogger
Member
No sorry, text chat only which is what I thought you meant. Even on ps4, we used skype/teamspeak/mumble. I don't think it makes much difference thought. It's not that FFXIV didn't support cross platform voice chat, it's that it didn't support voice chat at all, for any platform.
Goodacre0081
Member
im not sure. I guess it would be easy to tell. someone should boot up Warframe or ESO with a silver account on XB1 and tell us if they can play.
AncientDiety
Banned
Exactly, sums it up quite well.
More amused over here, but in the end consumers will benefit.
Moon_frogger
Member
well there is an important distinction to be made here. First of all, Elder scrolls online is a fully priced game. It's not a 'free to play' title. That said, there is no subscription fee either. You can play the game without a sub although one is optional. So just like every other xbox live game that you have to pay money for, xbox live gold is required.
Now, warframe on the other hand is a free to play game. You don't have to spend a dime to play it. Therefore, no gold account is required to play it although you can't join parties. Does that make sense? I believe world of tanks is the same way.
Holyoneturtle
Member
I never thought I'd see the day. This is huge.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Cool now sell Halo 5 on PS4 so Aussies can find matches in half the playlists please
Those are free to play games. Neither of which requires a subscription to play to begin with.
for shiggles
What does this announcement mean for you?
What happens if two people have the same name on Xbox and PSN/Nintendo/PC?
Games will generally either just display the two names as is or put some unique identifier on both. Games on Steam already have to account for this if they use your Steam name in-game. Games generally use a different unique identifier to send you traffic and deal with in-game events, anyway.
Won't they have trouble making games talk between hardware?
Anything that uses networking uses the same protocols (UDP, and TCP) as each other, or else they wouldn't be able to use the internet in it's current state anyway. Networking code is generally platform agnostic - this is why you can have Firefox on just about any architecture and OS. Multiplatform developers are also tending to use game engines that abstract the dirty details out anyway.
What about Sony, or Nintendo?
Both Sony and Nintendo have allowed cross-console and cross-platform play in the past. They do not care. They will not specifically do any of the heavy lifting to enable cross platform for you, but they also will not block you. They are not and have not been the roadblocks to this.
Well, publisher/developers haven't even done it until now anyway. Why should I care?
Before, developer/publishers didn't want to roll a stacks specifically for MS and one for others for two reasons: it was a waste of money to have to build something specifically for MS, and they were maintaining vendor relations by not having a feature on one platform but not the other.
Now, devs/pubs can write one solution, and they get everyone, which makes doing it more feasible in terms of long term support and return on the dollar.
How does this benefit third party?
Third parties like money. They would like it if they could sell as many copies on each piece of hardware - currently, you have to do a little risk assessment. If one of your platforms undersold, you can sometimes lose the money you made supporting that one due to the chicken and egg scenario of having nobody to play with, and your concurrent numbers are pointlessly split into half or thirds or even fourths.
If you could make sales on another version, because those version owners know they can play with your existing base, you will make more potential sales on all your hardware platforms. It removes the chicken and egg scenario, and sets you up to have control over your matchmaking stack anyway. Total win for third parties. You also don't have to balance playlists/etc for multiple separate populations.
But what if consoles have different performance, resolution, etc.
Already have to account for this on PC. Solved problem since the 90s.
Patches?
Rolling version matchmaking until everyone is updated. Solved problem since the 90s.
KBAM vs controller!
Already happens on Steam and Origin. You might be surprised to learn that most gamers don't care what controller their opponent is using when they got beat in a fight. Also, if your game has proper skill matching, the best people at each scheme will play the best people at each scheme anyway. There are also already KBAM adapters for consoles that people use. The cow is already out of the barn and has been eating the pie off the windowsill.
Developers don't care
Multiple developers have wanted cross platform play, because it's cool to have, and unifies your playerbase. Developers in these threads have talked about games that were planned to be crossplat and the crossplat was cancelled due to Microsoft. We publically know that Defiance was supposed to be cross360/PS3 until MS kiboshed it. We know that Square hasn't brought FF14 to Xbox because they don't want separate MS servers.
What about console exclusive DLC?
You might be surprised to learn but... most console exclusive DLC data is actually on other platforms client data, just hidden away. Stuff like armor DLC exclusive to Xbox or PS would just be in the client data for both consoles, but only obtainable via one platform. This was already done on PC by the way - Valve had the exclusive earbuds to Mac, and the Tux penguin to Linux users, and you can see those items on Windows. This is why you can also see other people that have exclusive collector's edition items, etc. It's not a problem for developers to deal with it. You can definitely have cross platform play and still have console exclusive DLC/unlocks.
What does this announcement mean for you?
What happens if two people have the same name on Xbox and PSN/Nintendo/PC?
Games will generally either just display the two names as is or put some unique identifier on both. Games on Steam already have to account for this if they use your Steam name in-game. Games generally use a different unique identifier to send you traffic and deal with in-game events, anyway.
Won't they have trouble making games talk between hardware?
Anything that uses networking uses the same protocols (UDP, and TCP) as each other, or else they wouldn't be able to use the internet in it's current state anyway. Networking code is generally platform agnostic - this is why you can have Firefox on just about any architecture and OS. Multiplatform developers are also tending to use game engines that abstract the dirty details out anyway.
What about Sony, or Nintendo?
Both Sony and Nintendo have allowed cross-console and cross-platform play in the past. They do not care. They will not specifically do any of the heavy lifting to enable cross platform for you, but they also will not block you. They are not and have not been the roadblocks to this.
Well, publisher/developers haven't even done it until now anyway. Why should I care?
Before, developer/publishers didn't want to roll a stacks specifically for MS and one for others for two reasons: it was a waste of money to have to build something specifically for MS, and they were maintaining vendor relations by not having a feature on one platform but not the other.
Now, devs/pubs can write one solution, and they get everyone, which makes doing it more feasible in terms of long term support and return on the dollar.
How does this benefit third party?
Third parties like money. They would like it if they could sell as many copies on each piece of hardware - currently, you have to do a little risk assessment. If one of your platforms undersold, you can sometimes lose the money you made supporting that one due to the chicken and egg scenario of having nobody to play with, and your concurrent numbers are pointlessly split into half or thirds or even fourths.
If you could make sales on another version, because those version owners know they can play with your existing base, you will make more potential sales on all your hardware platforms. It removes the chicken and egg scenario, and sets you up to have control over your matchmaking stack anyway. Total win for third parties. You also don't have to balance playlists/etc for multiple separate populations.
But what if consoles have different performance, resolution, etc.
Already have to account for this on PC. Solved problem since the 90s.
Patches?
Rolling version matchmaking until everyone is updated. Solved problem since the 90s.
KBAM vs controller!
Already happens on Steam and Origin. You might be surprised to learn that most gamers don't care what controller their opponent is using when they got beat in a fight. Also, if your game has proper skill matching, the best people at each scheme will play the best people at each scheme anyway. There are also already KBAM adapters for consoles that people use. The cow is already out of the barn and has been eating the pie off the windowsill.
Developers don't care
Multiple developers have wanted cross platform play, because it's cool to have, and unifies your playerbase. Developers in these threads have talked about games that were planned to be crossplat and the crossplat was cancelled due to Microsoft. We publically know that Defiance was supposed to be cross360/PS3 until MS kiboshed it. We know that Square hasn't brought FF14 to Xbox because they don't want separate MS servers.
What about console exclusive DLC?
You might be surprised to learn but... most console exclusive DLC data is actually on other platforms client data, just hidden away. Stuff like armor DLC exclusive to Xbox or PS would just be in the client data for both consoles, but only obtainable via one platform. This was already done on PC by the way - Valve had the exclusive earbuds to Mac, and the Tux penguin to Linux users, and you can see those items on Windows. This is why you can also see other people that have exclusive collector's edition items, etc. It's not a problem for developers to deal with it. You can definitely have cross platform play and still have console exclusive DLC/unlocks.
CountAntonius
Member
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So PS4 and Xbone crossplay for Rocket league is in Sony's hands now. I feel pretty safe in saying it's coming. Sony has always seemed more open to this sort of thing.
The implications here are pretty deep. They are pretty much throwing a fastball at Sony, now its either Sony says yes to it or not. Its not just about playing on the same servers, people would expect voice chat, messaging, etc across the platforms. That cant be an easy task... and now all eyes will be on Sony to commit to it, and MS has a 50/50 chance of not having to do anything at all besides with W10.
I gotta say, I would love both communities to be fused.. but I can understand if it doesnt end up so grandiose
I gotta say, I would love both communities to be fused.. but I can understand if it doesnt end up so grandiose
Bits N Pieces
Member
I don't think people are saying that Sony haven't done cross play before, the evidence is there in the games that are out and support it currently lol.
What I think some people want is for Sony to come out and say, 'yeah, we support cross platform play across all platforms and networks and will work with our peers to implement this moving forward.'. This will take time for them to gather their thoughts though.
The faux outrage is as funny as the revisionist history
What I think some people want is for Sony to come out and say, 'yeah, we support cross platform play across all platforms and networks and will work with our peers to implement this moving forward.'. This will take time for them to gather their thoughts though.
The faux outrage is as funny as the revisionist history