She talks about 7 people, is that even realistic?
She also know about zelda having voice act and what games we get at launch.
But she doesn't know anything about that what I said before.
Still think it's strange
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Emily Rogers: NX Not Using x86 Architecture - Won't Blow Away Current Gen Consoles
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She talks about 7 people, is that even realistic?
She also know about zelda having voice act and what games we get at launch.
But she doesn't know anything about that what I said before.
Still think it's strange
Candescence
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After the talk from Iwata about an iOS/Android-style ecosystem, I did expect them to go with ARM, which isn't an issue due to ARM being even more ubiquitous these days than x86 is, and used by pretty much every notable engine. And being more powerful than the PS4 (or even as powerful as the NEO) was stupidly unrealistic when Nintendo can establish a forward-compatible family of systems that would easily allow them to match the PS5 and Xbox 4 (or whatever nonsense MS decides to call their next generation of hardware) starting with an affordable console and handheld.
We're not gonna know jack shit till the damn thing is actually revealed, but a system around the level of the Xbone is fairly acceptable.
We're not gonna know jack shit till the damn thing is actually revealed, but a system around the level of the Xbone is fairly acceptable.
cyberheater
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I keep coming back to Emily's blog sentence.
https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/so-about-nx/
This really does imply that it might not even be as powerful as a Xbox One.
Yeah they do.
OsirisBlack says that it will run PS4 games no problem.
Emily said it might not be as powerful as a Xbox One.
Two totally contradictory levels of performance.
https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/so-about-nx/
This really does imply that it might not even be as powerful as a Xbox One.
Yeah they do.
OsirisBlack says that it will run PS4 games no problem.
Emily said it might not be as powerful as a Xbox One.
Two totally contradictory levels of performance.
Why would their be a next xbox? Didnt MS said they will focus on crossplatform and still will support xbox1. But their focus is on pc / hololens and crossplatform games.
I doubt if they will bring a next xbox because of the sales.
Is MS is smart, they will figure out how to stream content from pc to your TV.
- high end gfx depends on what you wanne pay.
- Endless interface
- Cheap development
I also believe because of ps4k, we can expect a ps5 end of 2020. Sony wanted a 7y lifetime cycle
WaterAstro
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In a meeting with Nintendo.
EA: "Yes, we will give you unprecedented partnership."
~EA releases one FIFA game for NX~
EA: "Yes, we will give you unprecedented partnership."
~EA releases one FIFA game for NX~
you forgot exclusive
How does this means it's even weaker as xbox1?
Doesn't this means it's stronger as xbox, but not much, Thats why it's closer to xbox1.
otherwise she would said: Almost as strong as xbox1
MatrixMan.EXE
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I'm going to agree with everyone saying that the current 'OMG It's not x86' crowd don't know what they're talking about it. It's irrelevant. As long as the architecture makes sense and the tools are there, it doesn't matter so much.
Again, the main thing working against Nintendo getting third party support is the simple fact that it'll be a Nintendo system. Years of audience erosion and marching to their own drum means that it's going to be incredibly hard for Nintendo to convince third parties to jump on board, even if the system has competent power.
There's not even a guarantee that those kinds of games will sell on Nintendo systems. Until Kimishima and co. can convince third parties that there's a healthy market for games like COD, BF, Witcher, Destiny, GTA etc, no amount of power is going to sway the big publishers beyond token launch window support. Which is why I, and many other people have said that Nintendo should have been making moves to create similar kinds of software years ago...they just don't seem interested in doing so, despite having a war chest so large that Nintendo fans tout how they can throw multiple failed pieces of hardware into the market and come out unscathed. Why not actually use that war chest properly and start investing in some high quality western studios? Time is running out.
Again, the main thing working against Nintendo getting third party support is the simple fact that it'll be a Nintendo system. Years of audience erosion and marching to their own drum means that it's going to be incredibly hard for Nintendo to convince third parties to jump on board, even if the system has competent power.
There's not even a guarantee that those kinds of games will sell on Nintendo systems. Until Kimishima and co. can convince third parties that there's a healthy market for games like COD, BF, Witcher, Destiny, GTA etc, no amount of power is going to sway the big publishers beyond token launch window support. Which is why I, and many other people have said that Nintendo should have been making moves to create similar kinds of software years ago...they just don't seem interested in doing so, despite having a war chest so large that Nintendo fans tout how they can throw multiple failed pieces of hardware into the market and come out unscathed. Why not actually use that war chest properly and start investing in some high quality western studios? Time is running out.
I'd say Nintendo can get away with this because developers still have to support vanilla PS4/X1 regardless of their new revisions coming out soon as well.
The power excuse from 3rd parties won't fly this time around. Not until they're fully focused on PS4 Neo/Xbox 1.5 anyway so in that regard, Nintendo is in a comfortable position.
But "fairly acceptable"? yeah, I'm not too sure about that
70% that bought a ps4 doesn't know fifa is also released on xbox or even don't know witcher3.
It's all about their marketing, games comes second(what is important to keep gamers buying games and playing on your console). But without good marketing, nobody gives a sh*t about the console. Xbox has bad marketing, same for wiiu, nobody buys it, because nobody hears about it. Ps4 is pushed everywhere.
So western support is important, it's maybe a part of their marketing they need.
@Alistair Roo: is there any proof or good source that is claiming we will see a xbox1.5 power upgrade?
Think it would be strange if MS still put the effort in the system, while it looks like they don't care anymore.
Cid Highwind
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Nintendo definitely needs some western games. The future of the industry is pretty clearly leaning towards the west right now.
If the rumors of Retro working on an original IP for the NX are true, that's a solid start. If Nintendo can't persuade western third parties to get on board, they really should invest in buying or at least getting some kind of a contract up with one. There are plenty of talented western developers out there who could probably make some great stuff if given some Nintendo money.
Nintendo is lucky because a lot of their core series like the Mario series, Zelda, Metroid, Smash, etc. are all very western appealing titles. Thing is, it doesn't look like they will be enough. We need some new blood.
If the rumors of Retro working on an original IP for the NX are true, that's a solid start. If Nintendo can't persuade western third parties to get on board, they really should invest in buying or at least getting some kind of a contract up with one. There are plenty of talented western developers out there who could probably make some great stuff if given some Nintendo money.
Nintendo is lucky because a lot of their core series like the Mario series, Zelda, Metroid, Smash, etc. are all very western appealing titles. Thing is, it doesn't look like they will be enough. We need some new blood.
Boy Wander
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Cyber, she means raw numbers. Hasn't necessarily a bearing on actual performance levels. She's also mentioned comparing apples to oranges meaning that if you use different arch or gpu vendor for example, performance can vary wildly for same raw numbers. i.e. one gflop isn't the same as another if using different arch.
For the one who cares,
they think nx console will include a Tegrax1 chip:
For mobile it's ok, for console, i don't know, looks blurry. But we know it was showed for mobile, nx will have a custommade chip.
This one look much better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uv2KJfeOIg
they think nx console will include a Tegrax1 chip:
For mobile it's ok, for console, i don't know, looks blurry. But we know it was showed for mobile, nx will have a custommade chip.
This one look much better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uv2KJfeOIg
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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I'm sick to death of NX rumours
4-5 months to go tho.
They'll get even crazier as the reveal date approaches.
Majukun
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n64 was the most powerful console of its generation,and gamecube was in a solid second place behind xbox
boiled goose
good with gravy
Launching a system that is below current gen standards in power is a mistake imo. You don't have to be the most powerful in a gen, but next gen below current gen?
As if the WiiU didn't happen...
It's not just about the ports of third party games you might miss out on, it's about all the mindshare, free media, perception, etc that comes along with it.
It's not like the PS4 was a powerhouse console at launch. Nx being under that years later??? What?
As if the WiiU didn't happen...
It's not just about the ports of third party games you might miss out on, it's about all the mindshare, free media, perception, etc that comes along with it.
It's not like the PS4 was a powerhouse console at launch. Nx being under that years later??? What?
MatrixMan.EXE
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Eh, that's what I'm saying lol Western Support is important, but Nintendo is going to have to do more than throw out a competent piece of hardware to actually get it in any meaningful way.
PdotMichael
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This is wrong.
N64 was advertised as getting the leading CG visualization and supercomputing power of Silicon Graphics, Inc. into a gaming console.
The N64 suffered though that SGI underdelievered and forced a delay to 96 and some other exotic hardware design choice like the innovative but flawed unified memory subsystem with Rambus ram with some crazy long latency.
The GameCube was designed and advertised as the Playstation 2 killer but again hardware delays happened (also a downclock) and Microsoft was ready to bruteforce a several hundred dollars more expensive console into the market.
What to believe. Emily her post seems always coming to late. Nvidia deal with their tegrax1 chip is announced and emily comes with this information after it. Same happened with paper mario and other rumors. The only rumor is voice act in zelda and playing as linky that still needs to be proven at e3
maverick40
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Didn't AMD say they are working on 3 new console CPU's this year in their earnings call?
This would align with rumours of PS4k, Xbox 1.5 and NX
Majukun
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that's what i've asked about in a previous post...why do we give her so much credit?
did she predicted something big to have so much "cred"?
Boy Wander
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Not sure Gens are really relevant nowadays. Gens pretty much ceased to matter when Wii was released.
PdotMichael
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When did they matter in the first place?
Ehhh i'd say it may be, but it depends on other factors like price, what the new concept is, etc. It's not ideal for sure, mind you, but it may be acceptable. And Nintendo games would still look glorious, can you even imagine stuff like Zelda, MK9, new Mario, Todd 2 etc on something like that?
No, it's not. With a GPU at the level of XBone and a CPU better than the junk CPU in PS4, depending on the memory and bandwidth, it could run games around the same performance as PS4.
Did they? 3? Consoles or (semi) custom wins?
cyberheater
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Yes. I think this is right.
We will have to see how it translate into real world game performance.
I would consider the console to be gimped if the GPU was only on par with Xbox One.
It will be a different architecture, maybe even a different provider, so Tflops don't really say too much at this time.
Emily said nothing about not being an AMD though.
Milly Osworth
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Why do you still care Cyberbeater? Werent you done with Nintendo and 100% sure not getting the NX? 😇
MatrixMan.EXE
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For real. I can't see how anyone can be interpreting it as anything other than "It might even be a stretch to call it as powerful as Xbox One".
Because it doesn't say as powerful as Xbone.
Kissenkopf
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And thats the problem, she never says anything specific. Her Blog post doesn't seemed to be filled with real infos she is confident about to share, more like some vague infos she gathered from around the internet.
Where are her seven sources from? All from different companies? All from inside of Nintendo? Why not say a little bit more specific details? To protect her sources? Doubt it.
The problem with the NX this far is, that no ingo was right before. Everybody said they will be at E3. Wrong. Companies don't habe dev-kits. Wrong. The controller. Fake. Release 2017? Nobody knew it before even Emily not and she talks like she has the best sources in the world.
And now she starts acting like 10k, she doesn't want to share any rumors anymore and won't post any till 2017. Why is that? Why bother if people hate you when you know you are right?
cyberheater
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My thoughts exactly. But I'm a native english speaker.
I'm always interested in new hardware. I've got no plans to buy an Xbox One either but I'll still debate the merits of it's architecture.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Was going to say something to this effect, but I don't want to offend non native speakers. But I agree, unless English isn't your first language, I'm not sure that this line can be interpreted in more than one way.
It's pretty clear what she's suggesting.
Milly Osworth
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I honestly think they just get a rush from the attention of thousands. Why would they stay so vague? If you heard from a good source the NX will have a chip named "X" with specs "Y" why not share the details? Unless Im missing a legitimate reason for staying cryptic and vague.
Because different people have different skin thickness.
In general, the more details you share the more likely your source is to get caught. Just look at Trev. Also, some details you can check with others, some maybe not.
Edit: Also I don't understand why we're back to the discussion about being below Xbone when we had this post in the thread:
Does it matter really if it's Xbone, 0.9*Xbone or 1.1*Xbone at this point without any real performance benchmarks?
Kissenkopf
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She is not on the internet since yesterday. She know how fans can react so she shouldn't be suprised.
If she hides now it seems more like she is afraid of the rage if everything she said will turn out to be wrong. She should just say she is confident her infos are real and carry on with her usual business, which includes posting rumors.
She is not on the internet since yesterday. She know how fans can react so she shouldn't be suprised.
If she hides now it seems more like she is afraid of the rage if everything she said will turn out to be wrong. She should just say she is confident her infos are real and carry on with her usual business, which includes posting rumors.
It's not like there is anything else to have rumors about except NX and she already posted several rumors about it, so it makes sense to stop until the reveal. To be proven right or wrong.
That makes a lot of sense if their rumored plan to have a unified handheld & desktop platform has any merit.
She shared nothing od what the nx going to be.
Beside some obvious games that will come to nx and some vague specs.
Nothing about the release date and e3 appearance or ui/interface or network capabilities. Does nx has some new innovation + what for controller could we expect.
We got just some vague boring specs that looks like a good guess looking at Nintendo history.
Still think is x86. Because of the amd is telling about 3 consoles. If so, she would say it was meant for the handheld. Lol
Christ man, if it was honestly going to outperform current-gen consoles then she would have stated as such without wrapping it in a riddle. Stop trying to over-analyze a very straightforward message.
Good on you for being hopeful and all, but you'd be better served not going this route with Nintendo, to be honest.
KungFucius
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Thanks. Cleared up my confusion and added a new one. AMD won 3 SoCs, not necessarily 3 consoles. This could be 2 consoles and one new 4k TV.
Lol tv. Don't look for other reasons. Its not logical. All articles talking about 3 consoles. If not nx, it's maybe apple that starts with a console/vr
maverick40
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No it is most likely Nintendo console. There is no need for them to go with Nividia when AMD are producing the CPU and GPU for the other competitors. AMD are now a custom foundry so Nintendo can design the CPU+GPU to suit their needs.
Also, it would be unlike Nividia to build a custom CPU for the successor of the Wii U. One of the worst selling consoles of all time
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