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[ThoseDeafMutes]

Geez are those arkham knight benches real? just before the refund thing revoked all the keys it was running nowhere NEAR those framerates on my 980ti setup

Yes but they're most likely from the benchmarking tool the game provides, which does not correlate to what your performance is like in the actual game. The morning AK came out, people were posting great numbers like that and getting all excited, then they fired up the campaign and it all went to shit.

 

[John Wick]

Okay, so I'm gonna hop in here because I think this place is where it makes the most sense to ask this question.

I'm looking on upgrading in the very near future, and I'm trying to decide if I should get the 1070 or the 1080. I know the 1080 will be a significantly bigger bite out of my wallet, but it's also looking like it's a ridiculously powerful card (in comparison, I bought my current PC prebuilt and have replaced parts as I feel like it - started with a GT 520, to GTX 560Ti, to the GTX 770 I have now. Essentially every other part in this PC is getting retired, I'm only keeping the PSU, Disc Drive, and HDD). Anyways, my real question is this: I like my games to look good, but I'm not a 4K gamer, 1080p60 is just as good in my eyes. I am an idiot when it comes to looking at power numbers and whatnot and understanding these graphs. That said, a 1070 would be strong enough for me to play pretty much any game at 1080p60, right? Even if I threw in some solid graphics mods and whatnot?

EDIT: Actually reading the thread some before I posted a question like this would show that this is a dumbass question, and a 1070 will kick pretty much anything I throw at it right in the teeth.

If you can afford it go for the 1080. It's more future proofed. Also you can dial up the AA and AF etc.

 

[GavinUK86]

Jesus, what's up with The Division? Is that a driver issue?

 

[MuchoMalo]

Rumor has said that they went with nvidia Tegra for handheld. That will be small 5W chip at best, nowhere close to these desktop parts.

For home console AMD is the best choice since only they can create highend APUs.

There's nothing stopping Nintendo from making a fast enough custom SoC using Pascal IP. (Also, the Tegra X1 uses more than 10W.) It's only rumored to be on-par with Xbone at best anyway. It's not like they plan on competing with the upgrades. A custom Pascal Tegra can easily hit 1.0 TFLOPS in a console. Also, the Xbox TV most likely using the semi-custom ARM APU that AMD mentioned, so there isn't even a contract left for Nintendo to have.

Another possibility is a Tegra SoC + discrete GPU, like what the Drive PX2 is using.

This is all off-topic though, unless someone thinks Nintendo would use GP104 lol

More on-topic, even the board is pretty badly crippled.

I really wonder how much potential is being held back from this thing.

Geez are those arkham knight benches real? just before the refund thing revoked all the keys it was running nowhere NEAR those framerates on my 980ti setup

Those numbers are right... in the benchmarking tool or with the smoke and debris turned off. Otherwise they're probably about 20-30% overstated.

Edit: Oh, that's with Gameworks off. Then yes, that benchmark is pretty much accurate. Maybe just slightly too high. Depends on CPU.

 

[Durante]

The difference between 1080 and 1070 is somewhat larger than it was between 970 and 980 (as expected from the specs), but nonetheless it looks pretty impressive.

Before release very few people would have expected a 1070 to outperform a Titan X across the board.

 

[Lister]

It looks perfect for 2560x1440.

 

[McHuj]

Looking good. I'll be waiting for the MSI Gaming version. And hopefully a quality 1440p/144hz gsync monitor later this year.

 

[ShogunDarius]

Id really like to see how the 1080 and 1070 handle Total Warhammer at max settings

In particular, in battle 20 vs 20 units that features a castle

 

[Joey Ravn]

I think I'll go full in a get a non-FE 1080. The 1070 looks good, but I'm finding it hard to justify the upgrade from a 970 looking at those numbers. The 1080 is a much bigger leap from my current GPU than to the 1070.

So can I 1440p@144 with sli 1070? That's the question.

I guess that would depend on the game and how well it scales with SLI, right? GTA V, for example, hits diminishing returns very, very quickly, since it's a very CPU-bound game.

 

[Renekton]

Id really like to see how the 1080 and 1070 handle Total Warhammer at max settings

In particular, in battle 20 vs 20 units that features a castle

Isn't that more CPU-dependent

 

[Durante]

Id really like to see how the 1080 and 1070 handle Total Warhammer at max settings

In particular, in battle 20 vs 20 units that features a castle

Yeah, in general I wish there was a site out there which benchmarks different games on GPU launches. 90% of the games used in GPU review benchmarks are games I'm never going to play.

Isn't that more CPU-dependent

That's always just a matter of resolution.

 

[metareferential]

Marginally better than a 980ti, pretty impressive.

No point in upgrading having one (or two) of those anyway.

 

[OneUh8]

Looking pretty solid. I may opt to get this instead of the 1080. Just waiting for both to be out in the wild to make my decision.

 

[metareferential]

I am considering skipping the 1080 and opting for the 1070 until the 1080ti drops, do you guys think the 1070 will be a worthy upgrade over my 980? (I have it overclocked at 1502/8000)

I am wondering if I can get a 1070 and push it above 2 on the clocks what kind of fps difference will I be looking at? 20fps at most in the majority of games?

Considering the price, as a stop-gap solution, it's a good upgrade. Nothing mind-blowing.

Price in the US is good, you can still re-sell your 980 and get a decent upgrade for what, 150-250$? I'd bite.

 

[Parsnip]

So has the euro price been confirmed to be 500€? My usual retailers have no listings so far.

That's a lot of money to throw in, no matter how well it performs.

 

[CHC]

Looks at least as good as I hoped. Based on what's going on with the the 1080 is there any indication of when the actual $379 edition will be available? Sorry I'm sure it's been asked I just don't have the wherewithal to comb through the pages of speculation and debates in the other thread.

 

[blastprocessor]

I thought the 970GTX has a lower TDP yet the power figures for the 1070GTX tell a different story. I can't quite understand the significant difference here (224 vs 315 for the 970).

 

[vio]

These prices man, what an expensive hobby has this become.

 

[laxu]

Marginally better than a 980ti, pretty impressive.

No point in upgrading having one (or two) of those anyway.

That's a stock 980 Ti though. Most non-reference cards run faster even without overclocks. That said if the 1070 is priced right, has no VRAM weirdness and performs like the 980 Ti it will be a really good purchase.

 

[Dr. Benton Quest]

Rest well my loyal 7950.

Good night sweet prince.

 

[metareferential]

That's a stock 980 Ti though. Most non-reference cards run faster even without overclocks. That said if the 1070 is priced right, has no VRAM weirdness and performs like the 980 Ti it will be a really good purchase.

You're right; but it's still stock vs. stock I guess.

That's what I am thinking, over here in the UK 980's are still selling on eBay for £300-350 so I could essentially sell it and only have to pay maybe £50-100 for the upgrade and then when upgrading to the 1080ti I imagine I will get good value for the 1070 as it will still be considered a good card for the price.

Seems like the most reasonable thing to do at this point given the price of the aftermarket 1080 cards in the UK (£612 and above)

Exactly.

I'm in a similar situation; I can still sell my 980tis for a good price here in Europe (roughly 500 euros), but aftermarket 1080s are going to be pretty expensive.

I could sell them and get two 1070, but that's just replacing, not upgrading xD

 

[Arthr2ShdsJcksn]

I haven't been in the market for a new PC in like eight years, so I'm out of the loop. I didn't realize that top of the line graphics cards still were pretty weak when it came to 4K gaming. Guess I should target a lower resolution when I build later this year.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

This will be powering many people's VR gaming rigs, I suspect.

 

[Durante]

So has the euro price been confirmed to be 500€? My usual retailers have no listings so far.

That's a lot of money to throw in, no matter how well it performs.

Euro prices for the FE or the normal cards? Either way, we should know soon enough (FE at 500€ wouldn't surprise me).

 

[CHC]

I haven't been in the market for a new PC in like eight years, so I'm out of the loop. I didn't realize that top of the line graphics cards still were pretty weak when it came to 4K gaming. Guess I should target a lower resolution when I build later this year.

Yeah probably a gen or two more of cards before 4K is really viable to just "set and forget" in terms of settings. 1440p though is a GREAT middle ground. You can achieve great performance with current cards, and the pixel density is definitely appreciably better than 1080p.

 

[jfoul]

Rest well my loyal 7950.

Good night sweet prince.

My wife has a Radeon 7950, and it still plays Witcher III pretty well @ 1080p. I think I'm going buy the GTX1070, and pass down my GTX980 Reference. A custom GTX1070 should be great for me @ 1080p for quite awhile until I upgrade my TV & A/V receiver for 4K.

We could be in for a treat if AMD releases Polaris products in the 980/980ti performance area for $250 - $299.

 

[metareferential]

Yeah probably a gen or two more of cards before 4K is really viable to just "set and forget" in terms of settings. 1440p though is a GREAT middle ground. You can achieve great performance with current cards, and the pixel density is definitely appreciably better than 1080p.

There's always g-sync.

4k and high refresh rate g-sync monitors are coming, sooner or later, making 4k gaming truly viable with a single card (new Titan?).

 

[oti]

So the x80 finally substantially pulls away from the x70 model. Nice. Still, the x70 model is the most important one as it's the most popular. I think I'll grab the x70 over the x80 as I'm a 1080p comfy couch gamer.

Yeah, me too. Built my first PC two years ago with a 770 and haven't upgraded anything so far. Once the launch hysteria calms down and that FE scheme is done for I'll buy the 1070.

 

[……forgetit]

Jeez, and I arguing weather next gen consoles could hit Titan X performance. This level for 370, I'm crazy excited for what the next gen will look like.

 

[jfoul]

Really hoping for an EVGA GTX1070 Hybrid.

 

[roadrunn3r]

I never doubted the performance but those prices, especially the EU ones if they get confirmed, are higher than I thought. I don't see it selling like the 970 did, not at 500€. Even in the 970 case I think most people, who usually buy 250€ cards, went for it cause it had great value so spending a bit more was justified. That doesn't seem the case now so there's a whole price segment (250-320€) waiting for a product which doesn't exist yet and that's why I think Polaris has a great opportunity to shine this time around. I don't care if they are 20% slower as long as they cost 40% less. Any rumors about that 1060Ti yet?

 

[Tenebrous]

It looks perfect for 2560x1440.

Yup. Retiring my 780s and picking up one of these as soon as I can.

 

[Orin GA]

I recently bought my 980Ti

Hold on guys, gonna call Nvidia and see if I can get these delayed

 

[velociraptor]

I'd pick this up if it's priced like the 970.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

That's what I am thinking, over here in the UK 980's are still selling on eBay for £300-350 so I could essentially sell it and only have to pay maybe £50-100 for the upgrade and then when upgrading to the 1080ti I imagine I will get good value for the 1070 as it will still be considered a good card for the price.

Dunno about that I tried to sell my mint condition EVGA 980 SC ACX 2.0, including backplate, for £300 and no-one was having it. More realistic price is £290 and lower.

But - and I keep saying this - you gotta take off from that sum what eBay take in sellers fees. It's 14%. So even if you did manage to sell for £300, you're pocketing only £258. Then from that, minus another tenner for secure delivery to the hapless fool paying £300 for a 980 when the 1070's are around the corner, and you have a decidedly smaller pot to upgrade with.

We're going to get shafted here with the price of the 1070s I'm sure, I can feel a twitch in my backside. I reckon a Gigabyte 1070 Gaming, for example, is going to cost £380. So expect to stump up another £120 minimum to upgrade from what you have. I'm in the same boat cept I already sold the 980 for £280 on Amazon.

 

[crisdecuba]

This might be a dumb question but I don't have a lot of experience in the space. Is running two of these together expected to provide double the performance, or is it more like a 50% increase? I'm just wondering what to expect if I bite the bullet and get this later this year.

 

[CHC]

There's always g-sync.

4k and high refresh rate g-sync monitors are coming, sooner or later, making 4k gaming truly viable with a single card (new Titan?).

Sure. Soon but not quite yet!

This might be a dumb question but I don't have a lot of experience in the space. Is running two of these together expected to provide double the performance, or is it more like a 50% increase? I'm just wondering what to expect if I bite the bullet and get this later this year.

HIGHLY dependent on how the game handles SLI scaling. In theory I think you can get ~60% increase but in certain other games it might barely work at all. Personally I think SLI isn't worth it, I would say just get an overclocked 1080 and be done with it. But others may disagree.

 

[Parsnip]

Euro prices for the FE or the normal cards? Either way, we should know soon enough (FE at 500€ wouldn't surprise me).

I don't plan to grab a FE, but looking at the way 1080 cards are priced for both FE and custom cards, I'm not very hopeful in getting a custom 1070 under 500€ either.

Though I guess it's entirely possible that at least some of the prices are temporary, since they don't even have confirmed dates listed yet.

 

[metareferential]

Sure. Soon but not quite yet!

Sad but true. And I want a big screen g-sync, either projector or tv. That's a whole new market no one is willing to explore.

 

[LelouchZero]

This might be a dumb question but I don't have a lot of experience in the space. Is running two of these together expected to provide double the performance, or is it more like a 50% increase? I'm just wondering what to expect if I bite the bullet and get this later this year.

It depends on how well SLI scales in the game you're playing.
SLI typically scales around 60-80% so you could be looking at that kind of a performance increase depending on how well the game supports SLI.

SLi may scale less in some cases, and in other cases the second GPU will be heavily under utilized or it does nothing.
It totally depends on the game you're playing and how well multi-gpu is supported, if at all.

We're not too sure how well Pascal scales with SLI using the new HB bridge yet, it will be interesting to see.

 

[atomsk]

My jump from HD5870 to 1070 is going to be glorious.

I'm jumping from 5850, my body is ready.

Also link in the OP is dead, guess it went up too early?

 

[Bernbaum]

Is SLI still a thing? Feels so long since I last built a machine.

 

[Ty4on]

More on-topic, even the board is pretty badly crippled.

I really wonder how much potential is being held back from this thing.

Let's hope the OEMs make versions with beefier power deliveries. EVGA made an FTW version of the 670 which had the same PCB and cooler as the reference 680.

Edit: The power figures (relative to 970 and 960) are with non reference cards which I think are overclocked and use more power than base. Still impressive, but the 970 shouldn't use more power than the 980.

 

[DieH@rd]

Also link in the OP is dead, guess it went up too early?

Yeah, NDA drops tomorrow I guess.

 

[dr_rus]

I'm jumping from 5850, my body is ready.

Also link in the OP is dead, guess it went up too early?

NDA ends tomorrow.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I think I'm definitely going with a 1070 and 1440p monitor.

 

[crisdecuba]

It depends on how well SLI scales in the game you're playing.
SLI typically scales around 60-80% so you could be looking at that kind of a performance increase depending on how well the game supports SLI.

SLi may scale less in some cases, and in other cases the second GPU will be heavily under utilized or it does nothing.
It totally depends on the game you're playing and how well multi-gpu is supported, if at all.

We're not too sure how well Pascal scales with SLI using the new HB bridge yet, it will be interesting to see.

Thanks for the responses! Maybe another silly question, but do most newer games support SLI? Or is it really hit or miss?

 

[legacyzero]

So I have one simple question- Do I need to upgrade from my i5 3570k?

 

[Bboy AJ]

Reminder: I called it.

I didn't expect the 1070 to wipe the floor like this, though. Incredible. LOL at the 980Ti owners who wanted the gaming world held back.

 

[Dr. Benton Quest]

My wife has a Radeon 7950, and it still plays Witcher III pretty well @ 1080p. I think I'm going buy the GTX1070, and pass down my GTX980 Reference. A custom GTX1070 should be great for me @ 1080p for quite awhile until I upgrade my TV & A/V receiver for 4K.

We could be in for a treat if AMD releases Polaris products in the 980/980ti performance area for $250 - $299.

Yeah I have the HD 7950 with three gigs. It's a good card but I'm ready for an upgrade. I really need a CPU bump though.

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