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[Raysod]

I don’t understand how they want developers to include in their games Neo support by October 2016, which means extra development time and cost, without them planning to release the new console on the market by that time.

Now that the Neo is official, who in their right minds will buy a current PS4 in the next 3-4 months, when they know that a better version is on the way, which will instantly drop the current PS4 prices (i cannot imagine the mess in the second hand market)? I have a lot of friends that wait for the Neo announcement before they make a choice of console and now Sony just makes them to wait more.

And the gameplay videos from all the games in E3 (first, second and third party) in which version will run in, “Neo” mode or in current PS4, when we expect that the E3 games to release in 6-7 months (or next year);

I imagine that all the press will constantly ask Sony representatives about the Neo in E3 and I am really curious about their answers.

What a communication mess is this Sony?

 

[Magic Mushroom]

This is totally gonna be the narrative this e3 right?

Yeah, and without any proof.

 

[DryvBy]

"The new console, which is codenamed “Neo”, will target hardcore gamers, he said, as well as consumers with a 4K television set looking for more high-resolution content."

So if I don't upgrade, I'm a casual? Let the PS4 Civil Wars begin!

#TeamPSPoor

 

[potatohead]

Gamescom - 400€ - October

Seems pretty much packed

I dig this.

"The new console, which is codenamed “Neo”, will target hardcore gamers, he said, as well as consumers with a 4K television set looking for more high-resolution content."

So if I don't upgrade, I'm a casual? Let the PS4 Civil Wars begin!

#TeamPSPoor

Lmao XD

 

[qa_engineer]

Both these consoles arriving next year makes the specs and alleged pricing less and less impressive from a PC users perspective. I would love to hear a knowledgeable explanation of why this makes business sense for Sony, unless they announce it quite soon after e3.

The specs were never set in stone. All the rumors and insider information have always indicated the specs were subject to change.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

This isn't a last minute decision.

What do you mean? Andrew House made an appointment with the FT to confirm the Neo just before E3 months ago? Or that it was going to be revealed/detailed like the slim PS3 in 5 minutes at the end of the Gamescom briefing?

If that's "announced", then NX was officially announced over a year ago.

I know what you're getting at, so maybe we should rather talk about "reveal" than "announce". I asume there won't be a notewhorthy impact unless they show the console itself or announce reveal price and launch date.

I really don't see much difference between reveal and announce when talking about the effect on sales (which I think in the Neo case is exaggerated). NX is different because it is a 'normal' console transition/replacement but also doesn't matter because the current console isn't selling anyway.

I just can't see the hardcore/4K TV owners bothering upgrading to a system that will be limited so much by Sony themselves.

So the model may not be one of endless generations as much as revisions within generations at a small number of technological inflection points.

Basically what I said right at the beginning of Neo leaks. 14nm+new architecture came at the right/wrong time. If the costs of PS4 slim chipset was little less than the Neo chipset...Sony have chosen to go down the 2 SKU/tier route and Microsoft look to be doing things a bit differently.

My problem right now is that I can't see much benefit for me if I choose to upgrade. Sony, I'm listening....

 

[Bsigg12]

Current PS4 sales will plummet if they announce it at E3. There are still millions of people in the world that don't even know PS4 Neo exist. Confirming it will get the disappointment out the way before E3.

Not really tbh. Announcing an upgrade to your system 3-4 months in advance seems strange, especially when you want your current platform to keep selling.

They'll announce it properly weeks before the launch ie just like the phone and tablet industry.

Keep in mind they aren't replacing the PS4. It is essentially becoming the budget model and will likely see a price drop alongside the Neo release. I doubt it will tank sales because it isn't a generational transition like PS3 to PS4, and all the PS4 content you buy will work on the Neo with no Neo exclusive content coming.

 

[ChasingComets]

I thought the rumor was TGS reveal.

There are so many rumors that I think every possibility was covered, even the possibility of an e3 reveal.

Because those very rumors said the release was a long ways off. Revealing it now would be damaging to PS4 sales.

I wouldn't really know, but I would think Sony would want to sell more Neos than PS4s.

There's also the price point and value proposition. It's enough of a differentiating factor enough that the products are meant to cater to a range of consumers, not cannibalize each other.

Adding, I want to emphasis that what you said isn't wrong and certainly is a typical product launch strategy in these times. I'm just putting out why an e3 reveal wasn't an impossible thing.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Since Neo is an iterative upgrade and Sony wants PS4 sales to continue at a steady pace, my guess is the new hardware will be announced as close to launch as possible. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if it's revealed less than a month before it releases.

I can see that.

They need to have another price cut on the PS4 first, and that is on target for the holiday season. That way if the Neo launches at $400-$500, the $300 PS4 is still an attractive price for the mainstream.

After about a year or two, the base model will be phased out (due to the fab process no longer being in production), and the Neo will be the base with price reductions to match is my guess.

 

[Alavard]

As someone waiting to buy a PS4, damn. Guess I need to continue waiting.

 

[Heckler456]

Makes sense. I'm skeptical we'll see it this year, or at least before PSVR launches. Let PSVR bed in, then start showing it, with the benefits it'll have for VR too.

I genuinely don't see why they wouldn't be able to just bring this to market within a couple of months of the reveal. I'm thinking Shinobi's guess of PGW seems plausible for the reveal, if not sooner; and a release during the holiday season. If that ain't the case, I wouldn't expect a reveal until after Christmas etc., and a release somewhere around April.

At any rate, I think it kind of makes sense to at least have the OPTION out there for people to buy PSVR and a premium model, seeing as that whole thing is depending on early adopters anyway.

 

[thefro]

Both these consoles arriving next year makes the specs and alleged pricing less and less impressive from a PC users perspective. I would love to hear a knowledgeable explanation of why this makes business sense for Sony, unless they announce it quite soon after e3.

If they did nothing, they might lose the high end market to one of their competitors.

Also PSVR needs the extra power. And AMD's new generation of chips make an upgrade make sense.

 

[Hibiki Kurosawa]

Wow, not at E3. Didn't expect that.

 

[RealityPales]

This really sounds like a great way to confuse the average consumer and shoot yourself in the foot.

 

[MilkyJoe]

“All games will support the standard PS4 and we anticipate all or a very large majority of games will also support the high-end PS4,” he said.

Well that's very interesting.


And it's also called PS4...

 

[DriftingSpirit]

This is totally gonna be the narrative this e3 right?

Oh, without a doubt. People are going to suddenly have bad memory and forget how good stuff like GoW3 looked on PS3.

Yeah, nah, Sony Santa Monica ain't that legit. It is just NEO.

 

[GHG]

I don’t understand how they want developers to include in their games Neo support by October 2016, which means extra development time and cost, without them planning to release the new console on the market by that time.

Now that the Neo is official, who in their right minds will buy a current PS4 in the next 3-4 months, when they know that a better version is on the way, which will instantly drop the current PS4 prices (i cannot imagine the mess in the second hand market)? I have a lot of friends that wait for the Neo announcement before they make a choice of console and now Sony just makes them to wait more.

And the gameplay videos from all the games in E3 (first, second and third party) in which version will run in, “Neo” mode or in current PS4, when we expect that the E3 games to release in 6-7 months (or next year);

I imagine that all the press will constantly ask Sony representatives about the Neo in E3 and I am really curious about their answers.

What a communication mess is this Sony?

There is no communication mess. This is the first communication that we have from them about this and it covers the vast majority of your ramblings. Sometimes all you have to do is read. This looks more like a comprehension mess to me.

 

[Boogdud]

Some are sure as shit are acting like this is doom and gloom if they do not show it, something something timeframe before launch, cause reasons and tales!

If it is the same ecosystem, they can show the thing the week before launch. It is not the same as a whole new platform timeframe. Software is software, sales are sales, the old PS4 will be phased out due to fab/chip allotment, and the new cost reduction or even break are built into this model. It is all part of the AMD roadmap.

Yup. Also, this kind of shows how irrelevant e3 really is in today's age. Outside of being a window to what will be on store shelves 3 years from now.

 

[karma2578]

Backtracking so much almost doing the moonwalk. They're waiting to see ms move after rumoured specs

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Aww i mean i knew it was real but still now my psvr buy is most likely on hold.

 

[BRocknRolla]

E3 is going to be devoid of any interesting hardware announcements. That's a real bummer.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

This really sounds like a great way to confuse the average consumer and shoot yourself in the foot.

How so?

 

[Servbot24]

I don’t understand how they want developers to include in their games Neo support by October 2016, which means extra development time and cost, without them planning to release the new console on the market by that time.

Now that the Neo is official, who in their right minds will buy a current PS4 in the next 3-4 months, when they know that a better version is on the way, which will instantly drop the current PS4 prices (i cannot imagine the mess in the second hand market)? I have a lot of friends that wait for the Neo announcement before they make a choice of console and now Sony just makes them to wait more.

And the gameplay videos from all the games in E3 (first, second and third party) in which version will run in, “Neo” mode or in current PS4, when we expect that the E3 games to release in 6-7 months (or next year);

I imagine that all the press will constantly ask Sony representatives about the Neo in E3 and I am really curious about their answers.

What a communication mess is this Sony?

It's not a communication mess when they haven't even revealed the product. All those problems you mentioned are things fans are assuming or making up. Sony can't stop people from flying off the handle for things that they aren't even ready to reveal yet.

 

[ScherzoPrime]

I don't get the thinking here. Aren't PS4 sales going to start to tank as late adopters wait either for the PS4K or a drop in price to the original PS4? I really don't see what Sony gains from stalling.

 

[Jln1221]

If they did nothing, they might lose the high end market to one of their competitors.

Also PSVR needs the extra power. And AMD's new generation of chips make an upgrade make sense.

Yeah I guess, but I don't see why anyone would buy a current gen console in the interim when everything we're gonna see at e3 is just going to run better on whatever the new console is. Sony presents GoW 4 (runs better on Neo) etc...

 

[Heckler456]

Backtracking so much almost doing the moonwalk. They're waiting to see ms move after rumoured specs

They haven't put any official step forward yet though.

 

[Scrawnton]

Lying is a big no no for any public company. All games will be shown running on a PS4 hardware, until the point when Sony unveils Neo.

And as we can all see PS4 still has much life in it. The best is yet to come.

They wouldnt be lying if they don't say anything. Also, how many games actually looked as good released as when they were revealed anyway? This includes first party that has no PC version excuse.

 

[oti]

This morning I was on a podcast saying they'd show the new PS4 at this E3 lol.

I'm taking the L with pride.

 

[Audioboxer]

MS will do the move. Xbox one sells less every NPD. It already tanked. I could bet MS will do the move just like 360 era. Almost one year ahead with a 6tf console + rift.

It's just the same strategy as Sony. Get the hardcore gamer.

I think Scorpio will be available this year, before black Friday.

But they will keep the Xbox one in its slim shape and cross games for 2-3 years more.

At the rumoured 6TF box this year? Doubt it.

 

[Dinjooh]

Backtracking so much almost doing the moonwalk. They're waiting to see ms move after rumoured specs

You're joking, right?

 

[Super_Cobra]

So they'll show a lot of VR? Ugh I don't like when they focus more than 30 mins in things most people don't care about. Just drop games.

 

[Upinsmoke]

Actually worried this will slip into 2017 now.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

I don't get the thinking here. Aren't PS4 sales going to start to tank as late adopters wait either for the PS4K or a drop in price to the original PS4? I really don't see what Sony gains from stalling.

The mass market does not know that NEO even exists.

 

[Boke1879]

Doubt this kills any sales. People said the rumors would kill ps4 sales and they didn't. People aren't just going to not buy a console when COD, BF, madden, Fifa, nba, and a shit ton of other games are hitting the market

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

So they'll show a lot of VR? Ugh I don't like when don't focuses more than 30 mins in things most people don't care about. Just drop games.

They showed like 5 minutes of psvr last year....

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I don't get the thinking here. Aren't PS4 sales going to start to tank as late adopters wait either for the PS4K or a drop in price to the original PS4? I really don't see what Sony gains from stalling.

Until Sony announces Neo, the majority of consumers won't know it exists.

 

[Portugeezer]

Great, let's focus on the games at E3.

 

[Yu Narukami]

If I dont have an 4k TV would there be a noticable difference in playing a game on the Neo?

 

[Kolx]

Since the GPU is more powerful doesn't that the fps in previously released games like BB should be better without an update from the developer?

 

[Zombegoast]

How can anyone be happy about this? Retail price for the Neo could cost as much as the PSVR or even more.


Might as well as get a gaming PC instead.

 

[Boke1879]

So they'll show a lot of VR? Ugh I don't like when they focus more than 30 mins in things most people don't care about. Just drop games.

But Vr is about games and it's a haven't investment from them and people do care about it. They will spend time on it. Expect it now

 

[TLZ]

C'mon Scorpio!

 

[Griss]

There were so many rumours that I'm genuinely surprised it won't be there. I think they may have been worried about the message that it would send advertising PSVR and all these VR games, only to then announce the Neo in the same show - it would strongly imply that you need one to enjoy the other, and if Sony only sells PSVR to Neo owners then it's dead in the water.

Also, I'm going to enjoy the assumption that every PS game shown is running on Neo. Expect that to come up quite a bit.

 

[Servbot24]

I don't get the thinking here. Aren't PS4 sales going to start to tank as late adopters wait either for the PS4K or a drop in price to the original PS4? I really don't see what Sony gains from stalling.

They'll tank once the system is revealed. It hasn't been yet. Sony isn't stalling, they're busy putting in the work to make this happen right now.

 

[Renekton]

Until Sony announces Neo, the majority of consumers won't know it exists.

For real. I'm trying to talk about PS4K to regular people and they react like I'm talking about the Abominable Snowman.

 

[Scrawnton]

Actually worried this will slip into 2017 now.

Just like every other Sony product, why wouldn't this get delayed?

Spoiler

for the record I'm upset that everything gets delayed. Im just learning to expect it now.

 

[th4tguy]

The most depressing thing is from that article it makes it seems like the Neo won't have games just developed for it. Hopefully within 2 years of launching they will start to develop games just for that and move to the endless console cycle instead of cutting gamers/developers knees out in 3 years time and launch a PS5.

They may support two systems at once and release a new one every 3 years. In another 3 years, Neo will be the base/ minimum required model to play new games with Neo + being the higher performing model.

 

[Portugeezer]

If I dont have an 4k TV would there be a noticable difference in playing a game on the Neo?

Maybe for some games which are 900p on regular PS4.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Since Neo is an iterative upgrade and Sony wants PS4 sales to continue at a steady pace, my guess is the new hardware will be announced as close to launch as possible. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if it's revealed less than a month before it releases. Hell, they could probably get away revealing it the week it comes to market.

No they couldn't. Nobody is ever pulling a Sega Saturn again.

 

[DieH@rd]

Actually worried this will slip into 2017 now.

The chances of it hitting 2016 were IMO always very slim.