I actually came in with concerns regarding Sony's announcement and continued to get shit on for being critical of Sony so then I stopped trying to argue.
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Sony confirms PS4 Neo, [Cites smartphone cycle, waiting until enough games post E3]
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I actually came in with concerns regarding Sony's announcement and continued to get shit on for being critical of Sony so then I stopped trying to argue.
PSVR games will fail cert if they aren't a consistent 60 fps
pixellated_man
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It doesn't seem to have affected their sales (ps4 sales were at least 30% up yoy in May) despite the tonnes of coverage that the new upgrade has received for the past few months. Why should a short statement in Financial Times suddenly impact sales?
And your second statement makes even less sense. Price has always been more important to the mass market than power, especially when there's not a huge difference in graphics.
The Cartographer
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New price cut for PS4 when?
Fredrik
Member
This is exactly how I see this. Plus, delayed to launch in 2017.
LurkFish17
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Looking at things now ,I do think it is possible to up clock the hardware to get full 6tf performance. The only issue is that we don't know enough about what will be in this box. Either way, I don't see a near future where any console is significantly stronger than the other if the launch dates are close.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The funny part is, the NEO is still a PS4. Still will be profitable, and will be the replacement box when the fabs completely switch off the old die process in the PS4 now. So effectively, a sale is a sale is a sale.
Those who can't wrap their head around that, are still not disconnecting from the fact that, this is not a new platform.
PSVR games have a mandated 60 fps framerate minimum. Because it can make people sick if the framerate is not 60 at minimum.
There will probably be a price cut when Neo releases.
With a cheaper Sku in the market the ps4 continues to sell well. I can see the NEO consoles being bundled with high profile games to drive adoption, but anyone looking for a cheap ps4 has the OG model to buy.
Once we get close to the ps5 I would assume the OG model is phased out and the NEO will be default by that point
They already did, the bundles are everywhere though.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You are misunderstanding. The old chipsets will no longer be made. Fabs are switching over. Both MSFT and Sony jumped into this roadmap knowing this. It allows them to get more powerful interim upgrades, in the same ecosystem, for the same cost or less long term. More power for less essentially.
It will still be a PS4, which eventually will replace the current when prices come down to the OG one, since those chips will no longer be fab'ed.
Bingo.
Obscuritas
Member
Both claims are false though.
ok
I'd like to see sales before the OG gets phased out because I doubt Neo is selling like hot cakes.
ROUGE_BLOCK
Member
Oh nice strawman there! Almost fell right into it! Anyways that completely misses my point, the PS4Ks speculation on GAF and around the internet has been the most interesting rumour surrounding Sony for months now, and in fact of this console generation. Literally an incremental upgrade that would majorly change how console generations work. With E3 being trade shows where all publishers give you announcements to generate hype and publicity especially when game changing hardware is announced, please do tell me how I should not be disappointed when game changing hardware is not shown at all? Especially when all the rumours were pointing at E3 in this case. But go on do tell me how that disappointed in that news means I'm less excited for new software which would be considerably less compared to this new speculated hardware.
Yup. It's still a ps4. Just a bit more juice under the hood. You don't even have to upgrade if you don't want to. And if you're not an enthusiast that needs to have the best. Why would you upgrade right now?
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Deleted member 471617
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Because releasing an upgraded console in the middle of the generation is a first for the industry and increasing the price in the middle of the generation is also a first in the industry. If Microsoft announces Scorpio at E3 and get mostly negative feedback, why would the feedback for Neo be any different? Personally, I think that sales will decrease due to Sony and Microsoft killing off their own console with their own console.
A far better idea would have been to delay PSVR and just launch it side by side PS5 in 2018. Eliminates all the problems, concerns, doesn't piss anyone off, gen last a solid five years, PS5 and PSVR could be powerful enough to not need a processing unit or a mid gen console upgrade.
To me, Neo and Scorpio is a recipe for disaster in my opinion. Both companies have surpassed what the previous consoles did at the same time and amazingly, both seem intent of fucking it all up.
I'm a core gamer, and there's no way I'm touching this thing with a barge-pole until the dust settles and we actually know how it's going to work out. Frame rates in particular been something of a joke this gen, and I see no reason why that would improve greatly, given the limited CPU boost that has been rumoured.
I've had very little value out of my PS4 so far, and while that should change in the later part of the year with some of the scheduled releases, I'm far more likely to make PS4 my last Sony machine than throw more money at them.
Exactly. Even though new phones are released every year there are a tone of customers that don't upgraded every year. They upgrade when they want to.
StrongBlackVine
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Bye.
KinofChaos
Banned
Your opinion does not reflect the majority....
Dangansona
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It was designed for the PS4 which has an install base of over 40 million units which NEO could realistically never reach. If you think it wouldnt perform well on the base PS4 you are crazy.
Same logic implies to the people who think the standard PS4 version of games will somehow be broken.
You're saying that the Neo will eventually become THE PS4 due to manufacturing changes, so it's sales won't matter since once it replaces the OG it will sell hotcakes like the PS4 is now. Do I have that correct?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Agreed.
I may not even upgrade day one. I may ride it out a little. However, my 4K TV will definitely want UHD BluRay's, in which will be the main factor in me getting one. The better looking/performing games is a bonus. Meaning after seeing UC4, DOOM, Horizon video, and more than likely God of War 4 with Kratos swinging is Norse Pole around, I am beautifully content with the graphical content we are diving into pre-NEO/Scorpio.
potatohead
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The majority of... PS4 owners? Core Gamers? Gaffers? Sony shareholders?
We'll wait and see what features and marketing the final unit has, which could change things markedly, but are you really saying that on the limited info we have, you expect that more than 50% of current PS4 owners are going to upgrade to a Neo?
paradise_circus
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they will probably use either a playstation meeting or the psx event. either way, let's see what the overall plan is.
KinofChaos
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More so talking about this line:
"I've has very little value out of my PS4 so far, and while that should change in the later part of the year with some of the scheduled releases, I'm far more likely to make PS4 my last Sony machine than throw more money at them."
Which has nothing to do with anything. Sony has said neo is aimed at the hardcore users, they know not everyone is going to be onboard..soo what's the issue?
pixellated_man
Member
Agreed. Ps4 neo would have just overshadowed all the cool games! The low key announcement today confirming existence of ps4 neo and it's no show at e3 also avoids endless ps4 neo questions and articles about why Sony didn't show it. Something which also would have overshadowed the game announcements somewhat.
Sony handled it really well in my opinion.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I am saying it is still a PS4. Still profitable from day one. When the cost comes down to the current PS4 levels, looking at the sales trends, it will roll right into the current OG role we have now. Remember, it is about the games and the gaming ecosystem. If you make them (games), they will come.
Sony and MSFT also have no choice regardless, the fabs will eventually not be making the old 28nm chips as they all want to switch over the 14nm/FinFET.
I said, damn son!
#TruthFacts
Aren't they already undermining it by announcing it tho?
qa_engineer
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You can continue to tell people this but people refuse to listen or accept the fact. VR will not survive if its a janky experience and in order to ensure a jank free experience its a technical requirement for a game to hit 60 fps (for reprojection to 120fps) on PS4. There is no way around it because the success of the product depends on developers meeting the most important rule in VR game design, on any platform.
Bitch Pudding
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You're trying too hard...
cosmicstarbeast
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Why are people so negative about 8.5 gen?
Lol, just like the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 5s.
Lol, just like the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 5s.
Your post was also just wrong in general. CPU has very little to do with frame rate unless the CPU is bogging down the GPU and even then it's not a big limiting factor.
You're right though the neo won't be a huge thing, but it will sell and I'd say it will represent 20-30% of the install base. Those of us who want something new, who desire more frames per second and frills will get it. The people who put SSDs in their ps4s for faster load times will get it etc. there are plenty who care about hardware but you're right we aren't the majority.
Luckily for us we are large enough to be served and get support though. So yay for the minority.
Pleas, no more derail. 
is TGS before the Playstation Experience event?
I think...
is TGS before the Playstation Experience event?
In the market? As in not meant to replace the ps4, but to give consumer the option for a "hardcore" version.
I think...
You're confirming my understanding of your thoughts, then. The Neo is intended to transition into THE SKU of the PS4 due to changes in manufacturing by suppliers, and both Sony and MS have been aware of this and the iterative/half-steps are a strategy meant to accommodate it, at least for this generation, but possibly (perhaps likely) going forward as well.
Moon Presence
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Really smart move, like many here predicted. If I had to bet I would go with Paris Games Week.
Sarcasm or falafel?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
compliment
Pretty much how I am interpreting it so far. Locking people into your ecosystem, and not hard resetting which causes risk, and less profit/growth. I suspect this will be the norm moving forward, since you need to add more power interim at the current cost/profit model. Gone are the days of cutting edge super beasts at launch.
Throw some hummus and dolmas on that shiz, and we have ourselves some yummy lunch.
It is sarcasm, btw, but not my food comment.
kingwingin
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Bruhhhhh!
Im so upset right now, was really hoping for new hardware. Im pumped for games but id like to know whats happening with both sony and MS so i can steer my buying habits accordingly.
Im so upset right now, was really hoping for new hardware. Im pumped for games but id like to know whats happening with both sony and MS so i can steer my buying habits accordingly.
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