Pancakes R Us
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Hmmmm, I suspect this'll mean the announcement of Crash Bandicoot 4K is going to be delayed.
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Sony confirms PS4 Neo, [Cites smartphone cycle, waiting until enough games post E3]
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For the people on gaf maybe, but I think the average ps4 owner isn't really on the know regarding these rumors.
But indeed I would prefer them to at least make a statement regarding titles running on base ps4 models, to prevent unnecessary speculation.
Stop humoring this clown with replies there's no point. just report him and be done with it. No need to continually sidetrack the thread with his shenanigans.
El-Pistolero
Member
Expected, but still good news. I want games announcements at this E3 conference...games!
The small CPU boost shouldn't be a major problem in going from rough to smooth 30fps, but I can't see that many big games making the jump from 30fps to 60fps. Would love to be wrong about that.
Dangansona
Member
Haha as someone not concerned about the NEO this does make me a bit more excited.
dead monkey uk
Member
Very possible, would also allow Sony to advertise the Neo as having 4K native titles, even though I expect most games to be 1080P.
Baroquemantic
Member
Cool. Didn't expect it at E3 anyway. Would make sense to wait until later in the year.
thiscoldblack
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potatohead
Member
It is actually complement.
Compliment means saying something nice. Complement means to support or complete something.
/grammar and spelling nazi ^^
It will fail cert is resolution is too low as well. Because people will get sick if the resolution is too low.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I would be more than happy with 1080p/60 for most games. My X1 scaler is God Tier.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
I find this quite unfortunate though, was really looking forward to hardware reveals during E3. With Neo not happening there, I think the chance of anything Scorpio is very slim. But that chance was already quite slim if you ask me. But I guess we'll see.
It would seriously surprise me if Sony doesn't release the Neo this year, in time for PSVR.
It would seriously surprise me if Sony doesn't release the Neo this year, in time for PSVR.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I don't think they ever actually planned to show it at E3.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
No, I know this... but how he used it in the meme, was the compliment spelling, but he underlined and bolded the word in the phrase used by House.
I'm Spartacus
Member
I put this in a thread about 3-4 weeks ago that was about Neo and E3 and I still stand by it.
The GP is not going to give a damn as long as the GAMES deliver. It is simply way too early for new hardware and that is the reason for the hold off. It would be insane to release new hardware already and thankfully some brains behind the scenes have managed to figure that out.
Ghost Slayer
Member
This place already became console war battle field
Shadowheart
Member
No, thank you.
I'm all about big leaps. See you on the third year of PS5. Until then, My PS4 will serve me plenty.
I'm all about big leaps. See you on the third year of PS5. Until then, My PS4 will serve me plenty.
Robot Pants
Member
God damnit. I wanted this thing soon. Sucks it won't be at E3
potatohead
Member
My meme skills are lacking, I apologize fam ^^
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
No.
They are both using the same chipset in Polaris. Sony never announced specs (clocks). Meaning, what was rumored can be the early minimum clocks, and there is plenty of time to clock more within your cooling solution to get more power (Flops) out of the '480' chip, since they launched with 5.5TFlops due to higher clocks.
It has nothing to do with a rumor about Scorpio. I am sure they both have their own moles inside AMD, and by the time these 'leaks' hit, they been knowing about it.
All good, lol. I actually double checked when you posted that, because I was like, wait... lol.
Nothing wrong with that. If I did not want the UHD BluRay, I would probably wait for the 'PS5 gen' as well.
KinofChaos
Banned
e3 is coming!
Dangansona
Member
M'console
Maybe they shelved the original Neo since they don't want to have the lesser GPU compared to the Scorpio. Wouldn't be surprised at a 2017 release date no matter what GPU they use, they don't want to shift focus away from PSVR and I doubt the more "casual" console players would buy both (yes true casual would get neither).
Nocturno999
Member
Knack 2 will save E3.
NEO will be counted as a ps4 sale. Like I'm sure Sony won't stuff the channels if adoption is slow they knew who to market for at least in the beginning. But yea it's not going to be treated like a separate SKU.
Wait what? What are you even talking about? Lol
They need to hit 8TF just to be sure.
Pathfinder
Member
Somewhat disappointed. I like new gadgets.
The GP is not going to give a damn as long as the GAMES deliver. It is simply way too early for new hardware and that is the reason for the hold off. It would be insane to release new hardware already and thankfully some brains behind the scenes have managed to figure that out.
Isn't the rumor that it's launching this year?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
We don't know which CPU they are going to use in the final product. They are supposedly choosing from two different tiers.
The GP is not going to give a damn as long as the GAMES deliver. It is simply way too early for new hardware and that is the reason for the hold off. It would be insane to release new hardware already and thankfully some brains behind the scenes have managed to figure that out.
I still believe it's coming out later this year
KingJ2002
Member
Interesting...
with reports that the next Xbox refresh and NX are releasing in 2017... Sony following suit is a smart move. They currently have the upper hand with a bigger library and a more powerful console... im sure they would like to keep it that way so a delay in it's release would make sense.
I can imagine that bigger / faster hard drives for the systems are on the way though... 500GB can't cut the mustard in 2016
with reports that the next Xbox refresh and NX are releasing in 2017... Sony following suit is a smart move. They currently have the upper hand with a bigger library and a more powerful console... im sure they would like to keep it that way so a delay in it's release would make sense.
I can imagine that bigger / faster hard drives for the systems are on the way though... 500GB can't cut the mustard in 2016
meanspartan
Member
This seems like a pretty big elephant in the room to just not talk about at all. Every game that isn't coming out in the next 3 months that is shown will be met with skepticism, "this will only look this good on Ps4k huh?"
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Read above. Both will use the same chipset in Polaris, clocks can be adjusted to effect Flop outcome. There is no 'shelving', and it definitely has nothing to do with what we as forum gamers have heard leaked, lol.
However, we always had the PC elephant in the room for the third parties. And Sony has always met the graphical fidelity for their first party on the PS4 (and in some cases improved upon since E3) this gen.
There was no delay. Sony and MSFT have their own moles within AMD I am sure, lol. And regardless, they both share the same Polaris chipset. It is not rocket science to figure out to get the Flop performance, you just up the clocks to what your thermal cooling can bare.
The Polaris chip just launched in a 480 which is 5.5Tflops due to clock. What we heard rumored about Neo could have been early/old info with clocks boosted or to be boosted since then, considering we had this info long before the 480 final spec was done and launched.
Has nothing to do with our 'leaked' knowledge, lol. E3 is not the place when they are already showcasing games and VR. Think about it peeps.
VincentMatts
Member
This makes sense, bu still. Dont we all know its coming officially? What does this change really? Someone who wants the neo is going to wait one way or another at this point.
Because talking about a console for 5 minutes is going to change anything?
Can't help but feel this was delayed in response to Scorpio. The PS4K jump in performance over the PS4 never made a lot of sense to me when focusing on 4K or VR content as it's simply still a bit underpowered for that. I get the whole upscaling strategy and all that but surely it will be better to release something that can more easily power up smaller less impressive titles in 4K.
If they came out with it this fall I'd feel a bit salty about my PS4 purchases and would not be too impressed with it's power. If they release a console next year's fall that can better compete with Scorpio it'd make a lot more sense for me as a purchase.
If they came out with it this fall I'd feel a bit salty about my PS4 purchases and would not be too impressed with it's power. If they release a console next year's fall that can better compete with Scorpio it'd make a lot more sense for me as a purchase.
Sangetsu-II
Member
They can't surpass PSVR resolution, heck PSVR dosn't even support native 1080p on both eyes. There won't be much difference between the two versions. The only thing devs can do is try 90/120 FPS native with NEO. Resolution will be the same.
They're going to need way more than 5 minutes to explain everything.
It is just the GAMES for the hardware we already bought. New hardware right now is suicide on top of death for all but the niche.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Exactly, I think you are right about that. Even if they didn't know the details about each other's plans, I really doubt Sony would change plans completely based on rumours about Scorpio. It's nice that Sony has confirmed it now though. I wonder how long until MS confirms it as well. It's possible that they briefly mention it at E3.
If you had to guess, do you think the Neo will still launch this year?
This isn't how things work. Sony probably knew of the Scorpio rumored specs long before we even heard about it. And besides Sony isn't going to let MS dictate their plans. Sony is the Market leader. They probably just don't want their conference overstuffed.
Let E3 be about games and VR. They can announce NEO at a later time
Why is there a cynical assumption that Sony is "scared" of Scorpio and pro-actively reacting to an unannounced- paper spec- console with target performance number- set to release much later?
If anything- it's quite obvious why Sony wouldn't overload their conference with information. For all the pomp and circumstance from critics that for some reason still regurgitate the tried and true hyperbole: "PlayStation 4 has no exclusives!" - this E3 will be the one to try and challenge that rhetoric if every thing we're being told comes to fruition.
The last three years, Sony's first party studio output has been titled. Studios have rebooted, entire projects have been canned, priorities have been shifted, and heads have rolled. However, this is the year where we are officially seeing: Bend, Guerilla, Japan, Media Molecule, Polyphony, Santa Monica, AND Sucker Punch with some sort of reveal planned. The most important of which is - there is no "timed exclusivity", "sequel on another platform"; "paid to be exclusive" shenanigans..... AND not to mention the myriad of second party projects Sony has- this show seems to be the most "exclusive" heavy PlayStation conference yet.
AND ALL PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS NEO? Why? The best way to disrespect your first party send-offs is to divert the media's attention to an entirely new box.
If anything- it's quite obvious why Sony wouldn't overload their conference with information. For all the pomp and circumstance from critics that for some reason still regurgitate the tried and true hyperbole: "PlayStation 4 has no exclusives!" - this E3 will be the one to try and challenge that rhetoric if every thing we're being told comes to fruition.
The last three years, Sony's first party studio output has been titled. Studios have rebooted, entire projects have been canned, priorities have been shifted, and heads have rolled. However, this is the year where we are officially seeing: Bend, Guerilla, Japan, Media Molecule, Polyphony, Santa Monica, AND Sucker Punch with some sort of reveal planned. The most important of which is - there is no "timed exclusivity", "sequel on another platform"; "paid to be exclusive" shenanigans..... AND not to mention the myriad of second party projects Sony has- this show seems to be the most "exclusive" heavy PlayStation conference yet.
AND ALL PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS NEO? Why? The best way to disrespect your first party send-offs is to divert the media's attention to an entirely new box.
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