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[Pathfinder]

They both use Polaris. The same chip that is on the 480 card releasing. Gies decided to cling to the max clock Flop performance on that current chip of 6TF. The 480 is a higher clocked Polaris (making it 5.5TF) than the earlier rumored spec leak of Neo.

After testing more, getting thermals in tune, there is nothing stopping Sony from upping the clocks speeds of the earlier than 480 clocks of 911mhz, and matching the speeds needed to produce similar Flops as MSFT's rumored goals.

Remembered, MSFT increased clocks to what they safely felt their chip could bare shortly before launch on the XBO.

Specs are not final until it ships. And even then, can always be adjusted in firmware after, like they did with the PSP.

Well, if it is the same Polaris chip in the 480, like people have discovered with some detective work, then yeah. As it is much easier than a whole new APU design obviously. But that is no longer what is going on here.

The difference between the 480 and the Neo chip is the clock speeds that translates the Flops (4.2 for Neo, 5.5 for 480).

Ahh, I was not aware they were both using Polaris. Missed that in the threads.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ahh, I was not aware they were both using Polaris. Missed that in the threads.

It is not 100% confirmed, however, detective tech GAF has compelling evidence with the road map, fab transition, supposed insider mentioning cost effective, and the specs line up perfectly with the clocks/CU's/Flops.

 

[fr0st]

I must play FFXV on the Neo. Let it be out on or before September 30th.

They'll probably patch it in later on (hopefully)

 

[orochi91]

I must play FFXV on the Neo. Let it be out on or before September 30th.

Same.

I got the Deluxe Edition pre-ordered, but I need that NEO to go with it!!!

 

[El-Pistolero]

Why is there a cynical assumption that Sony is "scared" of Scorpio and pro-actively reacting to an unannounced- paper spec- console with target performance number- set to release much later?

If anything- it's quite obvious why Sony wouldn't overload their conference with information. For all the pomp and circumstance from critics that for some reason still regurgitate the tried and true hyperbole: "PlayStation 4 has no exclusives!" - this E3 will be the one to try and challenge that rhetoric if every thing we're being told comes to fruition.

The last three years, Sony's first party studio output has been titled. Studios have rebooted, entire projects have been canned, priorities have been shifted, and heads have rolled. However, this is the year where we are officially seeing: Bend, Guerilla, Japan, Media Molecule, Polyphony, Santa Monica, AND Sucker Punch with some sort of reveal planned. The most important of which is - there is no "timed exclusivity", "sequel on another platform"; "paid to be exclusive" shenanigans..... AND not to mention the myriad of second party projects Sony has- this show seems to be the most "exclusive" heavy PlayStation conference yet.

AND ALL PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS NEO? Why? The best way to disrespect your first party send-offs is to divert the media's attention to an entirely new box.

 

[Quick]

Wouldn't be surprised if they hold a separate conference for it like the PS4 announcement - pretty much give it an entire hour or something, instead of being a major segment during their E3 conference.

That being said, seems like they're aiming for what Microsoft did with the Xbox 360 - Elite and Arcade. This comparison has probably already been made here.

 

[Dynomutt]

Why is there a cynical assumption that Sony is "scared" of Scorpio and pro-actively reacting to an unannounced- paper spec- console with target performance number- set to release much later?

If anything- it's quite obvious why Sony wouldn't overload their conference with information. For all the pomp and circumstance from critics that for some reason still regurgitate the tried and true hyperbole: "PlayStation 4 has no exclusives!" - this E3 will be the one to try and challenge that rhetoric if every thing we're being told comes to fruition.

The last three years, Sony's first party studio output has been titled. Studios have rebooted, entire projects have been canned, priorities have been shifted, and heads have rolled. However, this is the year where we are officially seeing: Bend, Guerilla, Japan, Media Molecule, Polyphony, Santa Monica, AND Sucker Punch with some sort of reveal planned. The most important of which is - there is no "timed exclusivity", "sequel on another platform"; "paid to be exclusive" shenanigans..... AND not to mention the myriad of second party projects Sony has- this show seems to be the most "exclusive" heavy PlayStation conference yet.

AND ALL PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS NEO? Why? The best way to disrespect your first party send-offs is to divert the media's attention to an entirely new box.

Ah so refreshing to hear logic . Well put awesome post.

 

[Renekton]

After testing more, getting thermals in tune, there is nothing stopping Sony from upping the clocks speeds of the earlier than 480 clocks of 911mhz, and matching the speeds needed to produce similar Flops as MSFT's rumored goals.

Not that easy. Other subsystems like memory and CPU need to catch up, and supposedly their GDDR5 clockspeed is already maxed out.

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

Wouldn't be surprised if they hold a separate conference for it like the PS4 announcement - pretty much give it an entire hour or something, instead of being a major segment during their E3 conference.

That being said, seems like they're aiming for what Microsoft did with the Xbox 360 - Elite and Arcade. This comparison has probably already been made here.

yeah, i mean, the Neo unveiling would REQUIRE they show what it's capable of with live demonstrations, a proper explanation of what their backward compatibility policy is, and a SOLID list of games that will be supporting Neo's extra horsepower as well as previous game that are getting patches to support it. they also need to make it explicitly clear that your PS4 games will run on it fine, and that no games will release exclusively for Neo.

that will take a good chunk of time and making sure their messaging is on point. so i can see how they want to make sure they give their exclusives some elbow room this year and announce Neo later.

i do not, however, think it will (or should) be announced at TGS. if people are content with saying that Japanese games don't get announced at E3 or western games at TGS due to the target audiences being different, then i think it's reasonable to look at Neo as a very un-Japanese device that they likely won't be interested in. so why drop it there? GC or a separate Sony event would be the best way to go about it.

and that's even if it's still launching this year. September deadline for support be damned, that doesn't really mean much in regards to the release date, because those games releasing September and later will just be ready to go whenever it finally does launch.

 

[thelastword]

Why is there a cynical assumption that Sony is "scared" of Scorpio and pro-actively reacting to an unannounced- paper spec- console with target performance number- set to release much later?

If anything- it's quite obvious why Sony wouldn't overload their conference with information. For all the pomp and circumstance from critics that for some reason still regurgitate the tried and true hyperbole: "PlayStation 4 has no exclusives!" - this E3 will be the one to try and challenge that rhetoric if every thing we're being told comes to fruition.

The last three years, Sony's first party studio output has been titled. Studios have rebooted, entire projects have been canned, priorities have been shifted, and heads have rolled. However, this is the year where we are officially seeing: Bend, Guerilla, Japan, Media Molecule, Polyphony, Santa Monica, AND Sucker Punch with some sort of reveal planned. The most important of which is - there is no "timed exclusivity", "sequel on another platform"; "paid to be exclusive" shenanigans..... AND not to mention the myriad of second party projects Sony has- this show seems to be the most "exclusive" heavy PlayStation conference yet.

AND ALL PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS NEO? Why? The best way to disrespect your first party send-offs is to divert the media's attention to an entirely new box.

I agree that this year is when all cylinders will be engaged in software output for Sony. All the big guns are hitting E3, there are new IP's to announce and some of the most anticipated games have just launched or will be due in the next couple of months. There's no need to bring NEO at the conference, but software is NOT the only reason, there's PSVR landing in October, that's confirmed and we know that for a fact, I think that takes priority over NEO at the moment.

Personally, I don't think Sony would launch two pieces of hardware in October, let VR have it's time in the sun and in the new year, bring out the NEO where they can go with one of their options of a $500 console with a beefier CPU as well. I don't think Sony is reacting to Scorpio, I think they've been balancing several hardware specs to see what's more suitable and viable for them, but people took the base specs and run with it as if it's final or that NEO would land this year as fact. Look how long ago Morpheus was announced and NEO has not even been officially announced yet. I think people should take note.

This year is not about NEO, it's about PS4 software and PSVR. It's also the third year in the PS4's lifespan where Cerny asserted that PS4 software would mature and we would be seeing more examples of GPGPU usage as we did in (UC4) and soon Horizon Zero Dawn. I can't wait to see what Sucker Punch has in store, their second time around, but I'm not sure NEO is what's maturing for show here, I definitely agree it's the PS4, but also PSVR, which should have a big portion of the show as well.

People always bring the issue of these weak Jaguar CPUs and yet the most impressive games I have seen this gen is on PS4. Uncharted, the Order and Driveclub.

What makes you say that Jaguar CPU is not suitable for 4TF GPU? do you make games? I believe that there are some smart people at Sony/MS who would know when if Jaguar CPU is good with the GPU or not.

I'm not the one to judge that, since I know nothing about making games.

I agree that people exaggerate on the Jaguar CPU's, it's mostly console wars or PC vs console rhetoric most of the time...However, If Sony is in a position to give us a beefier CPU, I think they should do so. If first parties are putting out such impressive games and running such impressive physics on the jaguar cpu with some GPGPU, imagine what they'd do with a more capable GPU and an i5-i7 calibre CPU. Some of the games that's extremely CPU intensive would run at 60fps instead of 30fps and there would be less issues with framepacing and stutter in certain genres.

There's also the possibility of devs making games that would impress you even further (that was not possible before), like pushing A.I in games forward, better draw distance and npc's and pushing physics to a whole new level. I do agree that usually it's the console devs who try to maximize what they have, and what they've done ranks up there as the best or close, but imagine if you gave these guys some real power to play with.

 

[KinofChaos]

Why is there a cynical assumption that Sony is "scared" of Scorpio and pro-actively reacting to an unannounced- paper spec- console with target performance number- set to release much later?

If anything- it's quite obvious why Sony wouldn't overload their conference with information. For all the pomp and circumstance from critics that for some reason still regurgitate the tried and true hyperbole: "PlayStation 4 has no exclusives!" - this E3 will be the one to try and challenge that rhetoric if every thing we're being told comes to fruition.

The last three years, Sony's first party studio output has been titled. Studios have rebooted, entire projects have been canned, priorities have been shifted, and heads have rolled. However, this is the year where we are officially seeing: Bend, Guerilla, Japan, Media Molecule, Polyphony, Santa Monica, AND Sucker Punch with some sort of reveal planned. The most important of which is - there is no "timed exclusivity", "sequel on another platform"; "paid to be exclusive" shenanigans..... AND not to mention the myriad of second party projects Sony has- this show seems to be the most "exclusive" heavy PlayStation conference yet.

AND ALL PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS NEO? Why? The best way to disrespect your first party send-offs is to divert the media's attention to an entirely new box.

Great post, but you know why.....war never changes.

 

[ninjablade]

i hope it gets delayed to match scorpios specs.

 

[clarkision]

Sounds like some smart folks in here that might be able to answer this question for me!

On Podcast Beyond, Goldfarb had the idea that in order to not turn off the people who already bought a PS4, Sony might release an accessory that would be compatible with the current PS4 and upgrade it to Neo levels of power.

Is that even possible??

 

[Journey]

Hey guyz...

Remember that back in 2013 Kaz said, about the next-gen console: "why go first if your rival can see what you did and thus do better himself?" or something like that...

And then, the next month... BOOM! We had the PS meeting that revealed the PS4.

What if... WHAT IF... what if Andrew House is mimicking 2013 Kaz and Neo is really revealed at E3?

Probably won't happen, but one can dream, right?

See, this is what worries me, when there are rumors, there's usually some truth behind it and indeed the PS4 was more powerful, Sony knew it had a more powerful machine so forget E3, they went ahead and did an early reveal. The situation today is reversed, now rumors are point to Scorpio being more powerful and also reversed, Sony doesn't want to reveal its specs, and not just early, but not even at E3, something is up.

 

[DeepEnigma]

i hope it gets delayed to match scorpios specs.

What specs?

See, this is what worries me, when there are rumors, there's usually some truth behind it and indeed the PS4 was more powerful, Sony knew it had a more powerful machine so forget E3, they went ahead and did an early reveal. The situation today is reversed, now rumors are point to Scorpio being more powerful and also reversed, Sony doesn't want to reveal its specs, and not just early, but not even at E3, something is up.

You are comparing a new generation/platform, to a complement piece of hardware that plays the same software in the same ecosystem, that also has a VR platform to launch?

Y'all need to think more. Just stop, and think.

 

[MogCakes]

It truly does not matter. It is the new chipset they have in AMD's roadmap, since the old fab is being phased out in foundries. Plays the same software, etc.. The OG PS4 will eventually be phased out more than likely when prices come down enough to lower the new machine in the same range.

You are misunderstanding. The old chipsets will no longer be made. Fabs are switching over. Both MSFT and Sony jumped into this roadmap knowing this. It allows them to get more powerful interim upgrades, in the same ecosystem, for the same cost or less long term. More power for less essentially.

It will still be a PS4, which eventually will replace the current when prices come down to the OG one, since those chips will no longer be fab'ed.

Well, let us wait until Gamescon or whenever they plan on detailing it. But I would be shocked if it were any other way. All the data adds up.

I am saying it is still a PS4.

After having thought about it some - whether or not this is a necessary transitional step, regardless of whether the Neo will eventually replace the OG PS4, the market reaction to the Neo/Scorpio and their iterative successors, long term, will be interesting and worthwhile to watch and make note of from both a sales and mindshare standpoint, and those observations should not be written off as guaranteed success or as irrelevant to the console manufacturers' business plans - they are absolutely as crucial as any new console launch. So while I now understand and can see your point of view, DeepEnigma, that Sony will have to and is going through with iterative consoles going forward and the logic behind that move, I stand by my disagreement that the Neo's sales performance doesn't matter at the outset. It absolutely matters, both for short term and long term business of the product - and isn't something to be taken so lightly by any manufacturer as being down to not having phased out an older model yet, or lowering price.

The Neo is a PS4, but the PS4 is not a Neo.

 

[samar11]

Wisdom. Give me a new box in 2018 and we are gold.

Why are people saying this e3 will be shit because there won't be a hardware reveal ? Do we always get hardware reveals at e3s ?

Edit: oops sorry didnt mean to quote you lol

 

[3rdamention]

Makes sense.



The bold makes no sense given the 21st September date for Neo-enabled titles though. How does it work that games enhanced and programmed on a 2.1GHz Jaguar+36CU Polaris dev kit *right now* if the Neo comes out say March next year and has Zen?

Also Andrew House stated they have costed Neo into this years financials and said it won't loose money. This surely is coming sooner rather than later. Given the above spec I expect $399 max unless they put a SSD in or something.

I am pretty sure it was just the Research and Design was included in their financials. Just their own R&D on what they can and cannot do in the next system, how much it could cost, the technology available, etc.

 

[The God]

Sounds like some smart folks in here that might be able to answer this question for me!

On Podcast Beyond, Goldfarb had the idea that in order to not turn off the people who already bought a PS4, Sony might release an accessory that would be compatible with the current PS4 and upgrade it to Neo levels of power.

Is that even possible??

Even if it was possible, that sounds like a dumb idea and would McKee this whole thing even more of a disaster.

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

Personally, I don't think Sony would launch two pieces of hardware in October, let VR have it's time in the sun and in the new year, bring out the NEO where they can go with one of their options of a $500 console with a beefier CPU as well. I don't think Sony is reacting to Scorpio, I think they've been balancing several hardware specs to see what's more suitable and viable for them, but people took the base specs and run with it as if it's final or that NEO would land this year as fact. Look how long ago Morpheus was announced and NEO has not even been officially announced yet. I think people should take note.

This year is not about NEO, it's about PS4 software and PSVR. It's also the third year in the PS4's lifespan where Cerny asserted that PS4 software would mature and we would be seeing more examples of GPGPU usage as we did in (UC4) and soon Horizon Zero Dawn. I can't wait to see what Sucker Punch has in store, their second time around, but I'm not sure NEO is what's maturing for show here, I definitely agree it's the PS4, but also PSVR, which should have a big portion of the show as well.

although i don't think the development/announcement of PSVR is comparable to Neo at all, i agree that they need to absolutely nail the PSVR launch and not stifle any of it's momentum with Neo at E3.

i also agree that Neo should be next year with a better CPU.

 

[MaulerX]

Sounds like some smart folks in here that might be able to answer this question for me!

On Podcast Beyond, Goldfarb had the idea that in order to not turn off the people who already bought a PS4, Sony might release an accessory that would be compatible with the current PS4 and upgrade it to Neo levels of power.

Is that even possible??

It's possible but it screams 32X all over again and I doubt anyone would want to go this path.

 

[DeepEnigma]

After having thought about it some - whether or not this is a necessary transitional step, regardless of whether the Neo will eventually replace the OG PS4, the market reaction to the Neo/Scorpio and their iterative successors, long term, will be interesting and worthwhile to watch and make note of from both a sales and mindshare standpoint, and those observations should not be written off as guaranteed success or as irrelevant to the console manufacturers' business plans - they are absolutely as crucial as any new console launch. So while I now understand and can see your point of view, DeepEnigma, that Sony will have to and is going through with iterative consoles going forward and the logic behind that move, I stand by my disagreement that the Neo's sales performance doesn't matter at the outset. It absolutely matters, both for short term and long term business of the product - and isn't something to be taken so lightly by any manufacturer as being down to not having phased out an older model yet, or lowering price.

The Neo is a PS4, but the PS4 is not a Neo.

You do make good points, however most of my argument was to disconnect from the "new generational platform" way of thinking that a lot have been going with.

And you are right, the PS4 is not a Neo, however, the same software (what matters) plays on both.

Also, the PS4 is not going anywhere, and will still be that attractive price, even more so with an expected drop this Fall.

 

[clarkision]

Even if it was possible, that sounds like a dumb idea and would McKee this whole thing even more of a disaster.

Really? I thought it would have been a great way to not split the user base...

"Don't want to pay another $400 for something you already own? Pay $150 for an add-on that does the same thing!"

 

[ninjablade]

What specs?



You are comparing a new generation/platform, to a complement piece of hardware that plays the same software in the same ecosystem, that also has a VR platform to launch?

Y'all need to think more. Just stop, and think.

the rumored scorpio specs. i just want a new cpu so most games can run at 60fps on the new ps4k. so i don't have to get a scorpio.

 

[III-V]

No E3 introduction: Really disappointed.

I can't even at this point, hopefully tomorrow I will be cooled off.


EDIT: This makes me think that they are attempting to lower hype levels for '2xGrafix' to something more realistic: its just a PS4 slim, but it plays VR and upcoming titles with a bit more finesse.

 

[wishdom]

Why are people saying this e3 will be shit because there won't be a hardware reveal ? Do we always get hardware reveals at e3s ?

Everyone (well most people) were expecting new hardware reveal from Sony.
So it's normal most are let down by this news, just like when Kimishima confirmed no NX at e3 1 month ago.

 

[DeepEnigma]

the rumored scorpio specs. i just want a new cpu so most games can run at 60fps on the new ps4k. so i don't have to get a scorpio.

There was no rumored 'specs'. Like none at all. Just a '5-6TF' blurp, which is ironically the higher end clock of a Polaris. Seemingly the same Polaris in the 480, as well as the Neo (which specs were leaked matching perfectly with a lower end Polaris clock).

But I get what you are saying.

Really? I thought it would have been a great way to not split the user base...

"Don't want to pay another $400 for something you already own? Pay $150 for an add-on that does the same thing!"

The userbase is not 'split', if they are gaming in the same ecosystem, with the software.

Are WoW players split because there are those with more or less powerful machines?

And no, the add-on idea is silly, and will not work.

 

[icespide]

Xbone + PS4 = Scorpio; PS4 + (PS4/2) = NEO

is this what people are thinking?

 

[The God]

Really? I thought it would have been a great way to not split the user base...

"Don't want to pay another $400 for something you already own? Pay $150 for an add-on that does the same thing!"

I don't think that really solves anything. Anyone against this idea likely doesn't want upgrades at all.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

Ah man, i was waiting for E3 to see it. :-(

 

[samar11]

Everyone (well most people) were expecting new hardware reveal from Sony.
So it's normal most are let down by this news, just like when Kimishima confirmed no NX at e3 1 month ago.

Well you can't blame Sony for that surely. It's not like they made e3 reveal public then decided not to show it. Same for NX.

 

[MogCakes]

And you are right, the PS4 is not a Neo, however, the same software (what matters) plays on both.

Also, the PS4 is not going anywhere, and will still be that attractive price, even more so with an expected drop this Fall.

It's logical to look at sales figures of your new product meant to be a stepping stone into your new business plan and write off its low sales as a necessary evil and bear it, but that doesn't account for the potential reaction/shift in market or mindshare. I think more than anything the sales of the Neo and Scorpio will be even more closely watched by the console makers along with market trends than past console launches. The presence of the OG PS4 also plays part in determining just how much people really value consoles on the whole with a base and 'premium' (I hate that word and everything it stands for) SKU on the market, at the same time, as two parts of an actively supported platform - enthusiasts and more casual gamers alike.

 

[Duxxy3]

Really down on my PS4 right now. I was so high on the system pre-launch and at launch, but there's been a lot of disappointment since.

Killzone was bad. Second Son was average. After a honeymoon period I started to hate the Dualshock 4. Lack of exclusives for 2 1/2 years. UI has not matured the way I want it to. Delays. Missing franchises.

And now the NEO is actually confirmed. I'm not excited about my PS4 anymore. This isn't like with the 360 slim or the PS3 slim. A year from now my PS4 will be playing worse versions of exclusives. Maybe even as bad as the difference between TLOU on PS3 and PS4. That doesn't make me happy about having a PS4. The PS4 is the first Sony console where I have to question if I got my money's worth.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's logical to look at sales figures of your new product meant to be a stepping stone into your new business plan and write off its low sales as a necessary evil and bear it, but that doesn't account for the potential reaction/shift in market or mindshare. I think more than anything the sales of the Neo and Scorpio will be even more closely watched by the console makers along with market trends than past console launches. The presence of the OG PS4 also plays part in determining just how much people really value consoles on the whole with a base and 'premium' (I hate that word and everything it stands for) SKU on the market, at the same time, as two parts of an actively supported platform - enthusiasts and more casual gamers alike.

No doubt about that. I also think their gameplan is console transitional based on the chipset roadmap.

 

[3rdamention]

Really down on my PS4 right now. I was so high on the system pre-launch and at launch, but there's been a lot of disappointment since.

Killzone was bad. Second Son was average. After a honeymoon period I started to hate the Dualshock 4. Lack of exclusives for 2 1/2 years. UI has not matured the way I want it to. Delays. Missing franchises.

And now the NEO is actually confirmed. I'm not excited about my PS4 anymore. This isn't like with the 360 slim or the PS3 slim. A year from now my PS4 will be playing worse versions of exclusives. Maybe even as bad as the difference between TLOU on PS3 and PS4. That doesn't make me happy about having a PS4. The PS4 is the first Sony console where I have to question if I got my money's worth.

What about all the games released in over the 2 years since those 2 games released?

 

[clarkision]

What about all the games released in over the 2 years since those 2 games released?

Psh! Uncharted 4? Bloodborne? Ratchet and Clank? Until Dawn? GARBAGE! Critically and public ally panned, all of them!

 

[III-V]

Really down on my PS4 right now. I was so high on the system pre-launch and at launch, but there's been a lot of disappointment since.

Killzone was bad. Second Son was average. After a honeymoon period I started to hate the Dualshock 4. Lack of exclusives for 2 1/2 years. UI has not matured the way I want it to. Delays. Missing franchises.

And now the NEO is actually confirmed. I'm not excited about my PS4 anymore. This isn't like with the 360 slim or the PS3 slim. A year from now my PS4 will be playing worse versions of exclusives. Maybe even as bad as the difference between TLOU on PS3 and PS4. That doesn't make me happy about having a PS4. The PS4 is the first Sony console where I have to question if I got my money's worth.

You literally named two launch games as your entire experience on PS4. Lack of exclusives? huh? Which franchises are missing for you that would re-ignite that honeymoon passion with your DS4? It was $400 bucks vs $499-599 if you have been playing games on it, besides the 2 launch titles you mentioned, you got your monies worth. How does Neo devalue your standard PS4?

Compared to launch PS3 + 3 years this gen has been amazing, so please try a bit harder next time.

 

[Detective]

It is not 100% confirmed, however, detective tech GAF has compelling evidence with the road map, fab transition, supposed insider mentioning cost effective, and the specs line up perfectly with the clocks/CU's/Flops.

So particularly a tale from your ass. You don't know if they both use Polaris. Why stating it?

 

[joecanada]

Really down on my PS4 right now. I was so high on the system pre-launch and at launch, but there's been a lot of disappointment since.

Killzone was bad. Second Son was average. After a honeymoon period I started to hate the Dualshock 4. Lack of exclusives for 2 1/2 years. UI has not matured the way I want it to. Delays. Missing franchises.

And now the NEO is actually confirmed. I'm not excited about my PS4 anymore. This isn't like with the 360 slim or the PS3 slim. A year from now my PS4 will be playing worse versions of exclusives. Maybe even as bad as the difference between TLOU on PS3 and PS4. That doesn't make me happy about having a PS4. The PS4 is the first Sony console where I have to question if I got my money's worth.

So you'd rather go back to the golden age of lair and heavenly sword ? Lol .

Notice house said all or most games will support neo? Ps4 is still the base level, the number one product. Neo is for enthusiast as he stated . And you don't sound like an enthusiast to be honest

 

[M52B28]

Microsoft kill Sony! Scorpio is cooler than Neo, so Sony pulled back at the last minute.

Spoiler

._.

 

[QaaQer]

Really down on my PS4 right now. I was so high on the system pre-launch and at launch, but there's been a lot of disappointment since.

Killzone was bad. Second Son was average. After a honeymoon period I started to hate the Dualshock 4. Lack of exclusives for 2 1/2 years. UI has not matured the way I want it to. Delays. Missing franchises.

And now the NEO is actually confirmed. I'm not excited about my PS4 anymore. This isn't like with the 360 slim or the PS3 slim. A year from now my PS4 will be playing worse versions of exclusives. Maybe even as bad as the difference between TLOU on PS3 and PS4. That doesn't make me happy about having a PS4. The PS4 is the first Sony console where I have to question if I got my money's worth.

Nobody likes being 2nd class, I get that.

However, it is just a games console, which is nothing more than an interactive toy and a power hungry Netflix appliance. Having a 4TF or a 6TF toybox instead of a 1.81TF one isn't going to make Netflix or ps4/x1 games magic or make you happy. Enjoy what you have and don't let jealousy ruin things.

Btw, most of the power proselytizing that goes on is done by graphic card astroturfers or those making post purchase rationalizations. Enjoyment of a game is not dependent on cost of gpu.

 

[III-V]

So particularly a tale from your ass. You don't know if they both use Polaris. Why stating it?

Sure it's a rumor, but it is not tales from the ass type.

EDIT: particularly considering the Neo was just acknowledged by AH

 

[QaaQer]

You literally named two launch games as your entire experience on PS4. Lack of exclusives? huh? Which franchises are missing for you that would re-ignite that honeymoon passion with your DS4? It was $400 bucks vs $499-599 if you have been playing games on it, besides the 2 launch titles you mentioned, you got your monies worth. How does Neo devalue your standard PS4?

Compared to launch PS3 + 3 years this gen has been amazing, so please try a bit harder next time.

It isn't about gettimg your money's worth, it is about how one feels. Having the 'piece of shit' version feels bad. It is how companies upsell people.

 

[DeepEnigma]

So particularly a tale from your ass. You don't know if they both use Polaris. Why stating it?

Have I not used words like, seemingly, and specs line up perfectly with known clocks, as well as AMD's roadmaps? Did I not say it was not confirmed, but all signs point to it due to tech Gaf?

Tales from my ass? Lol, you have quite a bit of asses to listen to on here then, since I am just repeating what others have drawn to with compelling evidence.

It's not an example of 'tales' by the way.

 

[dallow_bg]

Really down on my PS4 right now. I was so high on the system pre-launch and at launch, but there's been a lot of disappointment since.

Killzone was bad. Second Son was average. After a honeymoon period I started to hate the Dualshock 4. Lack of exclusives for 2 1/2 years. UI has not matured the way I want it to. Delays. Missing franchises.

And now the NEO is actually confirmed. I'm not excited about my PS4 anymore. This isn't like with the 360 slim or the PS3 slim. A year from now my PS4 will be playing worse versions of exclusives. Maybe even as bad as the difference between TLOU on PS3 and PS4. That doesn't make me happy about having a PS4. The PS4 is the first Sony console where I have to question if I got my money's worth.

Sounds like you really aren't that into the ps4. Neo or not.

 

[El-Pistolero]

No E3 introduction: Really disappointed.

I can't even at this point, hopefully tomorrow I will be cooled off.


EDIT: This makes me think that they are attempting to lower hype levels for '2xGrafix' to something more realistic: its just a PS4 slim, but it plays VR and upcoming titles with a bit more finesse.

What grahics hype?

 

[Lady Gaia]

It isn't about gettimg your money's worth, it is about how one feels. Having the 'piece of shit' version feels bad. It is how companies upsell people.

Technology improves over time. Most people have figured that out by now and aren't especially shocked when it happens. Likewise, the idea that improved functionality can be had for more money isn't exactly novel.

I'm a technophile who has every intention of buying the Neo, but knowing it's coming didn't prevent me from enjoying Uncharted 4, or loving the Blood and Wine expansion for Witcher 3. Likewise, the fact that my Model S is only the original standard model without any of the autopilot hardware, dual motor, et al doesn't prevent me from enjoying driving it day after day.

 

[Aters]

I have mixed feelings.
An upgrade like this means Sony and Microsoft admit that they made a mistake at the start of the generation.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I have mixed feelings.
An upgrade like this means Sony and Microsoft admit that they made a mistake at the start of the generation.

No.

It means they had a plan for an evolving ecosystem like Android/iOS.

Hahaha, some of the posts in here have been quite, well, quite entertaining to say the least.

 

[The Artisan]

I have mixed feelings.
An upgrade like this means Sony and Microsoft admit that they made a mistake at the start of the generation.

not really. the argument is largely that it was inevitable that the industry would be headed in this direction, given all the other electronic devices doing the same thing it was only a matter of time for video game consoles to do it too.

i don't agree with that but it is what it is.