Talesofedna
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There is one thing I don't get about the new xbone and ps4. Neither one of them can either do 1080p that well, how the hell do they expect to pull off 4k?
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Sony confirms PS4 Neo, [Cites smartphone cycle, waiting until enough games post E3]
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StrongBlackVine
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Not even close. These are basically off the shelf parts being tinkered with.
They won't, not native 4K any way. 4K is more about the other media(streaming, UHD player). Some indies might, but not AAA games. Also the vast majority of PS4 games are 1080p.
What?
Kinda sounds like a modern with the times way of doing things!
I prescribe to the belief that Sony and Microsoft have access to the same vendors, chipsets, architectures, and roadmaps. I'm channeling my inner conspiracy theorist here, but I believe Sony has multiple machines in prototype.
Plan A is the one we currently know of- Jaguar upclocked, 4.2 TF CPU. Target price $499
Plan B is the one we want but aren't willing to pay for. A Zen-Lite CPU, 5-6 TF GPU. Target price $599.
Here's where I say something that has absolutely no basis in reality and is completely nonfactual and more akin to Harry Potter X Marvel Fanfiction than any thing remotely resembling the truth:
I think Sony saw how the internet responded to Neo's specs and how the reception contrasted with Scorpio. Podcasts, forum posts, and social media was rife with criticism about Neo's performance delta with Scorpio. This triggered them to reevaluate and go with Plan B.
Hence my fever dreams asks you to: BELIEVE IN PLAN B!
That's all.
Scorpio and Neo will do 1080p easily.
They'll market them as 4K consoles but just a handful of indie titles will be 4K native.
It's what console manufacturers have always done. They're not lying, just not being 100% truthful.
I mean, if they are going to even bother with an upgraded system, might as well make it actually worthwhile.
gundamkyoukai
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I like this way truth be told .
Never thought it would happen but i guess smartphones , tablets cycles pave the way .
Along with newer tech talking longer to come out .
geordiemp
Member
As long as the base Ps4 is $ 300 then its an option isnt it ?
Xbox has a £ 110 elite controller for gods sake, there is a market for premium consoles and accessories in EU and USA, even if some people dont want it.
Bitch Pudding
Member
If Neo was the only SKU available, then yes. But it isn't. There will also be a vanilla PS4 around for just $299. Mainly enthusiasts and other premium segments will grap the $499 SKU, so it won't fly of the shelves at start. But maybe the old PS4 will do fine and together, they could outperform a single SKU approach, both sales wise and revenue wise.
Then, at some point (maybe when Scorpio launches as well, so yes, maybe after just a couple of months), Sony may reduce the price of Neo and/or PS4 to make ot more attractive to the masses.
And then, 2-3 years after the launch of Neo, they may introduce yet another SKU. I asume they'll follow Apple's footsteps and only offer two SKUs at the same time, so Neo would become the cheap entry SKU while the new one (Codename "Trinity", obviously) goes whale hunting.
KinofChaos
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Like 98% of games on Ps4 are 1080P.
THE:MILKMAN
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It reads to me that the dev kit Digital Foundry describe is more in-line with later near final dev kits. Like the below PS4 one. Early dev kits are usually PC based and with Neo being a mid-gen bump it makes sense to skip early dev kits.
It reads to me that the dev kit Digital Foundry describe is more in-line with later near final dev kits. Like the below PS4 one. Early dev kits are usually PC based and with Neo being a mid-gen bump it makes sense to skip early dev kits.
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DeepEnigma
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It is almost as if the cheaper PS4 will no longer exist... wait.
Agreed.
Remember when people said the PS4 won't be doing native 1080p before launch because of UbiSoft's patch it in later, etc.? Yet over 90% of the games are native 1080p on the PS4.
Seems like we are now repeating the same thing, again.
Omnistalgic
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I truly dont understand why this concept, at least what Sony is seemingly trying to do, is so difficult to understand?
They won this generation of gamers, they want it to continue , so why the FOOK would PS4 become PS4Poor and receive all of these terrible crappy ports because Sony allows developers to releases tons of crappy unoptimized games? It makes zero sense, not to mention, theres a bunch of games this wont even apply to because it isnt pushing the hardware. Are we dismissing the importance of Rocket League, Minecraft, Journey, etc...Most games are not God of War or Battlefield, and likely wont look much different regardless of what platform its on.
Whether it works or not is anyones guess, but I see clearly Sony wants this generation to last longer, not be shorter. Not to phase out PS4, but they want people to keep buying it, buy its bigger brother too all the way until 2022 if they can stretch it. I dunno, thats what I derive from the information presented. Yet I still see so many people annoyed because they wanted this gen to last longer or PS4 to be taken advantage of to the max. etc...Isnt thats whats happening here?
They won this generation of gamers, they want it to continue , so why the FOOK would PS4 become PS4Poor and receive all of these terrible crappy ports because Sony allows developers to releases tons of crappy unoptimized games? It makes zero sense, not to mention, theres a bunch of games this wont even apply to because it isnt pushing the hardware. Are we dismissing the importance of Rocket League, Minecraft, Journey, etc...Most games are not God of War or Battlefield, and likely wont look much different regardless of what platform its on.
Whether it works or not is anyones guess, but I see clearly Sony wants this generation to last longer, not be shorter. Not to phase out PS4, but they want people to keep buying it, buy its bigger brother too all the way until 2022 if they can stretch it. I dunno, thats what I derive from the information presented. Yet I still see so many people annoyed because they wanted this gen to last longer or PS4 to be taken advantage of to the max. etc...Isnt thats whats happening here?
audio_delay
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It is similar to ps3 & 360 generation. Non of them were truely what we used to call HD in the end. Technially the ps4 (or xbox) upgrade can do 4k with simple graphics, think ridge racer 7 on ps3, but 4k instead of 2k@60fps.
KinofChaos
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Me either , it's weird. It's pretty straight forward, people just like to screw the sky is falling over nothing I guess.
HughJanuss
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So by my understanding, this is where we're at:
- Sony will release the Neo Q4 2016 which is 4.1/4.2tf, its a mid-gen cycle.
- Microsoft will release the Scorpio Q4 2017 which is 6tf machine, its a new gen for Microsoft.
Whos getting fucked:
Sony - no longer the most powerful console for probably 2 years (at least?).
Xbox One owners - New gen means drop in support.
Am I being wrong here? did I miss anything?
- Sony will release the Neo Q4 2016 which is 4.1/4.2tf, its a mid-gen cycle.
- Microsoft will release the Scorpio Q4 2017 which is 6tf machine, its a new gen for Microsoft.
Whos getting fucked:
Sony - no longer the most powerful console for probably 2 years (at least?).
Xbox One owners - New gen means drop in support.
Am I being wrong here? did I miss anything?
spyroflame0487
Member
I'm not really an expert on other consoles, but something being more than $350 seems like it wouldn't sell very well. I don't think 4K TVs are as widespread as Sony is maybe imagining, so it might be a while before anyone would opt to get a better "version" of the system.
And even then, if you already have a PS4 I don't really see why you'd want to upgrade.
And even then, if you already have a PS4 I don't really see why you'd want to upgrade.
gundamkyoukai
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After a while PS4 with be drop and NEO will become the base line .
KinofChaos
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PS4 sold great at $399, it's a great starting price.
StrongBlackVine
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So just like a PC or any console generation with cross-gen games for a couple of years?
Most games are 1080p/30 unless it's a less demanding game. Some don't consider 30 FPS well.
gundamkyoukai
Member
You don't see why people would upgrade for better GFX , better OS stuff etc etc ?
I am there day one for better hardware even more so since i play a lot of Sony games and i know they going to put in the work .
Honestly, Sony has a lot to answer about. The new consoles should be limited to upgrades every 3 or 4 years. Any sooner than that and you risk killing the market with oversaturation.
Marty Chinn
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Anyone suggesting the impact on development would be like going from PS3 to PS4 would be just as insane as those blowing off the impact on developers as being as simple as a config file. The original point I was making was the concern that developers are already short on time and resources and now we're introducing more work with little to no pay incentive since they can't even charge for it and it's the same SKU as the PS4 version.
It was pretty obvious it was real back then too. That doesn't change the fact that it impacts developers, so yes it still matters.
StrongBlackVine
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Ugh I said I would not reply to another comment like this, but I'm weak. Sony doesn't expect the same response a new iPhone or Galaxy would get. This product that will be initially aimed at small subset of the potential PS4 consumer base.
I will upgrade because I want to play Battlefield 1 at 1080p/60fps, play Horizon Zero Dawn with improve AA, better draw distance, less pop-in, play God Of War IV at steady 60fps etc.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Well if they are looking at the smartphone market they can see that it slowing down in certain ways .
So 3 to 4 years seem like the perfect amount of time between upgrades .
geordiemp
Member
Its great, I for one appreciated TLOU on Ps4 running at 60 FPS, it handled so sweet. Gimme 60 dammit.
If Neo is a zen + Polaris beast, then 1080p60 will be a lock on all games, god I dont thing I would ever need a new console again unless VR takes off.
Why would we need a ps5 ? Yes I have a 4K TV, but 1080p60 and I am good for many years thank you, I have no interest in 4K at 30 FPS. Good night.
xXCrazyCostaXX
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I wouldn't be surprised if Sony isn't showing it because they are adjusting internals after it leaked that Microsoft is shooting for 6tf. They have been on top the entire generation and I don't think the want to release something that isn't superior to what Microsoft will do
Omnistalgic
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Yeah, thats what I thought to, but its really people posting essay on here like they are truly worried about whats happening. So to me, that seems genuine instead of posters that are just negative and like to put out negative energy on the internet. Its strange, Sony wants to milk this generation as long as possible. Putting out a platform that is sounding like it even boots up the exact same way pretty much ensures youre good to go with PS4 or Neo for a good while. If Neo starts selling really well, wouldnt that be more of an incentive for PS5 to be pushed back even further?
i don't think anybody expects these things to fly off shelves... it's a forward thinking measure.
a year from now there's going to VR, multi-platform games where PC recommended specs are a 970 or thereabouts. you can only get so much mileage out of current console specs
it'll be a "premium" product for a year or so. whether people find incentive to upgrade later on is the question
StrongBlackVine
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This is almost impossible if the two consoles are releasing a year apart as rumored. What Sony can do and what it looks like they will do is make sure the gap is not massive enough to convince consumers to switch platforms.
DeepEnigma
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I can agree with this to an extent... but if the PS5 is targeting to when the power yields are down enough for a 10-12TF+ machine, ray-tracing everything, will be the new mind blowing graphical tech that will make that 1080p/60 picture look much better with much higher fidelity.
XxRampage07xX
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Yep this is disappointing. It will be so hard to find a game that utilizes full power of consoles in the future.
Especially when mobile tech is advancing at a good rate...consoles start to become obsolete if they don't offer steady updates.
Mr. Nice_Guy
Member
Find it odd that they they said they are releasing this for a hardcore audience in mind. Obviously they expect, or at least want, to make a profit off of this. I guess the numbers for things like the Xbone Elite controller were good, because I just wouldn't imagine the market big enough to warrant making an upgraded console. Unless initial PS5 games will also run on the Neo, and they are really embracing that iterative cycle.
geordiemp
Member
I will mark my calendar, June 2020.
Technically probably. Politically we have PSnow.
DeepEnigma
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I haven't followed all the threads about this, so I'm not sure on the specific posts you're referencing, but playing devil's advocate I imagine there's a big difference between getting a game working as-is on the neo unit and actually getting it to a point where it's a hardware power showcase at a press event.
THE:MILKMAN
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I believe in Plan B.
Does anyone from DF or Giant Bomb post here? Have they heard anything of a plan b?
It would be nice to put what spec the Neo will launch with to bed.
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