The issue with emulating PS3 is multifold. The biggest challenge is Cell - which has an intricate and complex architecture completely Alien to whatever is standard. The second is, it has an Nvidia GPU. It wouldn't be worth the manpower, effort, and most likely awful results.
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Sony confirms PS4 Neo, [Cites smartphone cycle, waiting until enough games post E3]
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The issue with emulating PS3 is multifold. The biggest challenge is Cell - which has an intricate and complex architecture completely Alien to whatever is standard. The second is, it has an Nvidia GPU. It wouldn't be worth the manpower, effort, and most likely awful results.
StrongBlackVine
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Jaguar would be a disappointment to the "hardcore" they are targeting. Give me the "red pill" at $499.
What make you think someone at Digital Foundry or Giant Bomb knows more than OsirisBlack? Just because you could put a name with a face? We won't know the specs until the day Sony announces them.
Hawk269
Member
Does anyone else feel that the following quote from Andrew House is a little odd?
It is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4, he said. We will be selling both [versions] through the life cycle.
Why would someone that currently has a PS4 and decides to get a NEO would want to have both sit alongside each other? That is some weird ass wording that leads to the thought that perhaps something else is going on. If the rumors that circulated earlier suggested that the NEO was just a Super PS4 that would play all PS4 games now and future and certain games would have NEO features, why would you say it is intended to sit alongside and compliment a standard PS4?
It is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4, he said. We will be selling both [versions] through the life cycle.
Why would someone that currently has a PS4 and decides to get a NEO would want to have both sit alongside each other? That is some weird ass wording that leads to the thought that perhaps something else is going on. If the rumors that circulated earlier suggested that the NEO was just a Super PS4 that would play all PS4 games now and future and certain games would have NEO features, why would you say it is intended to sit alongside and compliment a standard PS4?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
They compliments each other as products on store shelves(a mass market SKU and an enthusiast SKU), not your entertainment center.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Actually fuck that, is not fine, Jaguar sucked 3 years ago and still sucks today.
Zen is much better in any sense, releasing a console with Jaguar so close to a new, much better architecture is a mistake.
vivftp
Member
Sit alongside each other in the market as a whole. Not literally in your entertainment center
Why would you think every PS5 game must be able to run on a Neo?
My reading is that PS5 will be a new generation. Hopefully it is BC with PS4/Neo. All the iterative console stuff is purely forum speculation at this point.
Console wars make people crazy. I think everyone should temper their expectations about both consoles, because some of the fan theories are getting pie in the sky territory.
DragonKnight
Member
Why would you think every PS5 game must be able to run on a Neo?
My reading is that PS5 will be a new generation. Hopefully it is BC with PS4/Neo. All the iterative console stuff is purely forum speculation at this point.
I dont think so especially given Andrew House's recent comments. All three players seems to be moving to iterative hardware.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The Gies Effect.
Agreed.
I am in agreement with you, trust me. I was just speaking about how still, they are saying no 1080p for all, even on the Neo. Even as far as saying not even 1080p/60, which I find hard to believe if it is 'Plan B'.
I would only draw up this concern if Sony actually say PS5 games will run on PS4s. I don't see PS4K being forwards compatible but I do see PS5 being backwards compatible.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
If you focused on the 300 MHz in order MIPS core and compared to what you could build a PC with back then and you benchmark general purpose code on both I think you are right to see a bigger gulf than what you are seeing when comparing the current 8 core Jaguars to a PC CPU of today, but it would make all those funny and fresh jokes about the current generation console CPU's being sold alongside kids cereals or in Happy Meals less meaningful
.cosmicstarbeast
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Let's be honest, a lot of us on NeoGAF take sources as the holy grail of leaked information. For all we know, MS could just release the Xbox Slim and wait it out silently.
I also remember people saying the PS4 was a high-end PC in terms of specs the summer before it came out.
You'll have 4K indie 2D and low fidelity games sure. But you're kidding yourself if you think 90% of AAA games will be 4K native. You can quote me on that.
DragonKnight
Member
Absolutely not happening.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Wait out what? Regardless of what Microsoft does Sony is going to release the Neo and then the PS5 a few years later. There is no perfect moment to strike any more.
DangerMouse
Member
Yeah, they can never do that again, it would be just drowned out. 499 is really the max.
Yeh, fucking terrible idea.
I actually don't mind the idea of the mid life span "s" version .. but IMO when the new numbered console comes out you cut the ties to the previous console's in order to prevent the horrible of like lowest common denominator holding things back sw wise.
So if I read this correctly from what is out there..
You get a PS# launch ...then 3 to 4 yeas later a PS#S edition comes out that is up specced to current day tech but is tied to the ps# level in that no games have #S exclusive features
Then, you get the next numbered PlayStation, ps#+, and that's a fresh start, clean slate, backwards compatibility not something that is necessarily there , and certainly no requirement for its games to need to run on previous gen hardware
That way we still have our traditional 8 to ten year generational leap, we just now have the option of going for a mid gen refreshing that keeps everything looking prettier till then.
Works for me.... as long as the mid cycle PS is priced with the same logic ...is this isn't a console to cater just for the 5% , those people are impractical and belong on the PC, sure they will want a console with the most expensive CPU available etc, thy will also be he types who think Sony will be putting out a refresh every year...and will abandon ship if they don't....
Neo will be priced pretty much what ps4 was at launch,they know the sweet spot. And they want people to buy now, not wait for a price drop, siting free agents possibly to be wooed by MS. There tech doesn't need to be the best this time round, because this thing is going to launch with the entirety of the ps4's software library...
PLASTICA-MAN
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Haha thread title got updated again.
DangerMouse
Member
Yeah.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
They're waiting for games? Like what games?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Well that is going to draw in more back and forth postings now isn't it.
Games that have 'Neo Mode' enabled and polished enough to show the differences?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
So games that already work on PS4 wont have NEO mode?Well that is going to draw in more back and forth postings now isn't it.
Games that have 'Neo Mode' enabled and polished enough to show the differences?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
... Sigh...
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Most 3rd parties are going to make games compatible with Neo whether it is required or not. Cross-gen games are a given. The only question whether Sony funded exclusives will be support Neo and "PS5" for a period of time.
Nope. It will require a patch and those patches are not mandatory. Supposedly games released in September must have a patch to support Neo mode.
They could be patched to support it but the current plan seems to be for those games to run the same on Neo as they did on PS4.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They will work, but perform/look just as they do now on the PS4 currently.
'Neo Mode' just means there is enhancements to said games from what we gather.
All games will be at least base (it should play your Bloodborne out of the box), but current games (games pre October 2016) can be patched to support enhancements. After October, I believe they have to at least be 1080p on Neo, but not perform worse than the PS4 if more bells and whistles are pushed. Which leads me to believe there is internal scaling to 4K built in (Sony X1 tech?), thus the 1080p mandate.
Could the zen apu(PS5/6)be able to pull it off? or is the dream of playing my PS3 games years from now dead?
cosmicstarbeast
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StrongBlackVine
Banned
Honestly I'm not too concerned with what Microsoft does outside of being pleased that their games are going to PC now. I'm not invested their platform. That's a side story to what's going on here.
Suzushiiro
Banned
The original leaked specs, yeah, but I'd imagine at the rumored 6TF specs you could probably pull it off, though I'd imagine most AAA devs may instead choose to keep the rendering resolution at 1080p and increase effects/texture quality/framerate instead, since 4K TVs are still going to be a minority so they're better off using the extra power in ways that help people at 1080p.
I'd imagine the plan is that every iteration has full backwards compatibility to the base PS4, games are required to at least support the most recent and second-most-recent iterations, and can optionally scale down farther than that. So when whatever comes after the Neo releases (which will probably be in 3-4 years, which is around when we'd get the next gen anyway in a more "normal" cycle) devs will be allowed to drop support for the base PS4, but still have to support the Neo, then the next iteration will be able to drop the Neo but still scale to the one after that, and so on. You're still only "requiring" people to buy a new machine once every 5-7 years or so just like always, you just introduce half-steps so there's always a "budget" box that can play the latest games.
gundamkyoukai
Member
They won't be able to trump Scorpio if it is coming later .
The best Sony can do is make sure the gap is not to big .
If they are desprate just delay and release at the same time.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Oh, but they are not the ones who are desperate.
Market leaders aren't the desperate ones.
I'm fine with both plans.
$599 though.... :/
Bitch Pudding
Member
First of all, I am starting to doubt there'll be a PS5 (in the classic sense) anytime soon.
I suppose the PS4 Neo successor will be another iteration within the PS4 ecosystem. The moment it launches they'll most likely just drop vanilla PS4 production and (forced) support, meaning that new games have to support Neo and the newest one, but not vanilla PS4 anymore.
This focus on two SKUs a the same time simplifies planning and allows (incremental) progress with every new iteration, starting with Neo's successor.
potatohead
Member
Same.
I expect $400 or $449 from Neo though. $499 is already pushing it far too high though. I would consider, but not for certain.
$400 is impulse buy for me for an upgraded PS4 though. No issue dropping that if it means what Sony is saying it means.
XxRampage07xX
Member
I don't think PS4 neo will be as successful as PS4 was, so price might go down more quickly.
Prediction:
Welp, $499 sounds to be Jaguar 4.2 TF - $599 sounds to be Zen Lite 6 TF. Scorpio will be similar price point as well. Wheeeew boy. Pack it in boys, it's gonna be expensive.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It will not be $599, at all.
Bookmark this post.
$499 max if up-spec'ed from early leaks.
Early leaks said $399 with Jaguar 4.2TF, $499 with difference CPU, and the guy kept talking about a different CPU like they were leaning that way mostly.
Yep.
And Polaris can be clocked to 5.5TF with GDDR5 as it is in the RX 480.
Bookmark this post.
$499 max if up-spec'ed from early leaks.
Early leaks said $399 with Jaguar 4.2TF, $499 with difference CPU, and the guy kept talking about a different CPU like they were leaning that way mostly.
Yep.
And Polaris can be clocked to 5.5TF with GDDR5 as it is in the RX 480.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
You are which is why they will require full support of the base PS4 for the foreseeable future.
Are you backtracking? A little while ago you seemed to believe $499 was Zen Lite(which is the only thing that makes sense). $499 is for Jaguar is a joke.
Why would you want a more complex PS5? Are the 4 year development cycles too short for you?
gundamkyoukai
Member
I doubt the $499 one would be Jaguar 4.2TF .
If we go by old rumors the 499 one was with the better cpu and that is before we knew about AMD new card price .
potatohead
Member
$499 would have to be more than 4.2 TF.
$400 and I say 4.2 TF if not more.
$500 is too much for only 4.2 TF, I doubt Sony would do that.
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