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[A.D. Skinner]

Technically could say the same about the 360 and not having a HD TV, or the Xbox and not having Xbox live. These things push upgrades, and I'm happy to see Microsoft pushing again, rather than sitting back.

This is going tonbe amaaaaaaziiiiiing.

 

[MisterXDTV]

not really, i'd take a beautiful 1080p game over a decent looking game in 4k.

THIS !!!

 

[GHG]

No. He's still the man.

Lmao.

Who is the next "man" going to be if he manages to run Xbox into the ground? Not that it matters, I'm sure you guys will make posters for him as well, even if it was me.

 

[wapplew]

Scorpio wont even do native 4K gaming tho....unless they're gonna be doing less than 30fps

It doesn't matter Scorpio can actually do 4K or not, this is MS PR say 4K as much as possible to associate Scorpio with 4K, ride that buzz word hype.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

WTF! I realize the memo has been sent out today downplay Scorpio, but this statement is ridiculous. Microsoft is a $400 billion dollar company. Sony''s market cap is around $35 billion. MS just drop $26 billion (all cash) on LinkedIn like nothing. I know gaf is video game bubble but gees.

Come on, it's clear they mean in the console business which is true.

 

[AndyMoogle]

Imagine the difference between a DICE developed game on Xbox One and Scorpio. On Xbox One it's 720p and on Scorpio it's 1440p or higher. The difference would be pretty damn big even on a 1080p TV.

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

Whelp, Xbox One VCR for me.

 

[Munki]

This can't make sense... all that horsepower for nothing?

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

I don't get the outrage. Clearly this system is designed for an enthusiast crowd and of course that meant that you would need the items required to run these games at the full resolution promised. I completely get that and Imo, it makes sense. However since I don't have a 4K TV, I'll just wait to probably eventually buy this when I do.

Don't see the issue here.

 

[gofreak]

Guys, there's no way they are creating a console with these specs just for a 4K resolution bump.

4K is demanding. This is about exactly what they'd need for XB1 games at 4K, if that's indeed the tack they want to take. (4K = ~4x 1080p, ~4.5 x XB1= ~6Tflop)

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

This could be a narrative opportunity for Sony at least with Neo. Release something earlier that's 'plenty enough' for rich 1080p - a more relevant target - a similar tack to the 360vsPS3 narrative back in the day. Even if it latterly MS's narrative changes once Scorpio is out and they may not want to worry so much about the original machine.

They're doing the usual thing when MS is in full on PR; just stay quiet.

No its not , He is just saying you just wont see a difference unless you have a 4k tv.

Then they should use the power to down sample to 1080p and make the image quality great.

 

[dancrane212]

This is all that needs to be said really, especially when Spencer's already said that developers are free to use the 6TFs however they want. Once we get closer to Scorpio's launch they'll obviously change their tune.

Knew I didn't misremember that. Incredible MS still has problems being consistent, or at least clear, on their messaging for this stuff.

 

[TaterTots]

I'm reading so many conflicting reports. This E3 has been confusing. If the Scorpio only turns out to be a 4k console that is a missed opportunity. Most gamers only have 1080p televisions/monitors. Xbox One S should of had a hardware upgrade for 1080p and left it at that.

 

[killroy87]

What a weird thing to say. How can that much extra power not yield any benefits for 1080p? Makes no sense

 

[Alienous]

When did Microsoft get into the business of selling televisions?

 

[Flavius]

To those of you assuming this is merely spin to sell slims to those who would otherwise hold out -- why spin in the enthusiast press to those most likely to call you out on your bullshit? You smartly "sell" Scorpio with the specs tossed about in GAF threads, then reverse course with a disingenuous "yeah, but that'll do nothing for you if you don't have a 4k tv bit"?

I fail to follow the logic, if that's really what's happening here.

 

[Aceofspades]

I feel like I'm the only one who understood the purpose of Scorpio/Neo..

Scorpio/Neo are mid-gen update for their 8th gen consoles (PS4/X1).

They are not intended to replace those machines at all (all games should be playable on both current/upgraded consoles).

Scorpio/Neo could provide extra resolution/framerates to current games or both (there won't be any exclusive games made for those machines)

Scorpio/Neo share the same OS as current versions, no need to overhaul the OS since they are considered of a same generation.

Scorpio/Neo are part of the same generation as PS4/X1

PS5/XboxTwo are the real successors to PS4/X1. With new OS/servers and might not be BC with current gen including Scorpio/Neo.


I feel generations are still the main theme for console, only difference is introducing a mid-gen update to keep up with advances in GPU, TV res or other technologies.

 

[martino]

this a bad pr

good pr would have been to announce choice let to the player between "1080p enhanced" and "4k one version" or even more granular option....(but maybe i'm too much into pc gaming to not see as bad for console)

 

[membran]

Notice how he answers the question "will Scorpio perform better in terms of framerate, giving a competitive advantage in multiplayer" with "Scorpio won't perform worse at 4K than the Xbox One at 1080p for the same game".

Like, wat.

 

[MaineUPTDC]

not really, i'd take a beautiful 1080p game over a decent looking game in 4k.
if it's really just a xbox one game in 4k, i'll gladly pass on that.

Don't fall into that trap lol

 

[willbsn13]

I mean, he's already said that devs will be able to choose what they do with the 6TF of power.

And this comment comes from a question asking him to say "why would I buy an xbox one s instead of waiting for a scorpio?" I think he was just pushing for the PR too hard in terms of power. He's going to regret that.

 

[Vaga]

WTF! I realize the memo has been sent out today downplay Scorpio, but this statement is ridiculous. Microsoft is a $400 billion dollar company. Sony''s market cap is around $35 billion. MS just drop $26 billion (all cash) on LinkedIn like nothing. I know gaf is video game bubble but gees.

And I was referring strictly to what Spencer statement was about though which is the console business. Which is something Ms is still having issues about 3-4 years into the cycle.

But thanks for pointing that out, I, as many of us mortals here, was not aware of Ms grandiousness.

 

[Diprosalic]

I feel like I'm the only one who understood the purpose of Scorpio/Neo..

nah dude everyone got it, we're just confused that apparently Scorpio is just used for putting out 4k and nothing else.

Don't fall into that trap lol

what trap?

 

[toilet]

Why not let people choose which resolution and framerate? Do pc's have some magical extra component that I'm not aware of that's not in a console?

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Guys, there's no way they are creating a console with these specs just for a 4K resolution bump.

You'd think no company would ever do that, but why say this then?

Man i so fucking hate it when companies pull this crap. Just speak clearly and stay with it. I was expecting games to look and perform better and also look and perform as good as they can on Xbox One. One would assume the much better system get's a much better framerate and graphical fidelity. And the weird thing is, they have already said this. But this new interview really makes it all sound very different all of a sudden.

If developers can decide what to do with the hardware, how the hell is this system not meant for people without a 4K TV. Because of the contradictions and just mixed messaging i am just gonna wait and see....but this all sucks.

 

[Dragon1893]

I don't get it, so the only difference between both versions of a game will be the res?

Also, premium price, sounds like there will be a significant difference.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Sony should come out with the 'perfect TV for Scorpio fans' and make bank.

 

[Roshin]

Well, this turned out be a mess. Kinda surprising, really.

 

[Gwyn]

When did Microsoft get into the business of selling televisions?

Microsoft Surface Hub 84’’

Spoiler

/s

 

[Nirolak]

Are they mandating 4K on the system?

That sounds like a gigantic waste of hardware power given pretty much everyone with a 4K TV spends all day watching 1080p or less content anyway.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

nah dude everyone got it, we're just confused that apparently Scorpio is just used for putting out 4k and nothing else.



what trap?

Which I doubt is going to be the case with revision of these consoles.

 

[billythemule]

Damn. I have two 75" 1080 TVs. One in the Living room and the other in my media room. They are only about 4 years old. I have no intention of replacing them anytime soon. They're so big, it's not like I could simply move one to another room.

A 4K downsampled image should look pretty good on those screens. Besides, with high res content coming out so slow, I think you should be fine for a few more years and by that time, replacement screens should be quite affordable unless you're going for something even bigger.

 

[ultimota]

since 2013 people have been ranting that resolution is king, especially here.

he either said what he thinks people want to hear "look super high rez"

or he miss spoke and was just saying that you wont get the 4k benefit on a 1080p screen not that there wont be other enhancements (what i think is most likely)

or its just to shift some focus to the X1s for the year (most likely)

 

[KORNdoggy]

what CPU does the scorpio have? does anyone know? is it even likely we'll see games like battlefield running 4k @60fps on this console? don't PC's struggle with that even now?

 

[Diprosalic]

Which I doubt is going to be the case with revision of these consoles.

That's what Spencer just told us for Scorpio.

 

[SneakyStephan]

Why would you say that?
This makes no sense to be honest.

Marketing isn´t Microsofts strength.

They want people to buy xbox one s es

After the scorpio box is out they'll change their tune

 

[Flavius]

I feel like I'm the only one who understood the purpose of Scorpio/Neo..

Scorpio/Neo are mid-gen update for their 8th gen consoles (PS4/X1).

They are not intended to replace those machines at all (all games should be playable on both current/upgraded consoles).

Scorpio/Neo could provide extra resolution/framerates to current games or both (there won't be any exclusive games made for those machines)

Scorpio/Neo share the same OS as current versions, no need to overhaul the OS since they are considered of a same generation.

Scorpio/Neo are part of the same generation as PS4/X1

PS5/XboxTwo are the real successors to PS4/X1. With new OS/servers and might not be BC with current gen including Scorpio/Neo.


I feel generations are still the main theme for console, only difference is introducing a mid-gen update to keep up with advances in GPU, TV res or other technologies.

You might understand their purposes, but I'd argue if you think that makes sense, you probably need to educate yourself more on the consumer market.

 

[Swass]

I'm getting 2013 MS PR vibes all over again.. where's the #dealwithit hashtag?

 

[willbsn13]

Are they mandating 4K on the system?

Spencers already said that devs can do want they want with the 6tf of power. Theres no way they mandate 4k. I think it's just the classic mixed messaging from MS.

 

[gofreak]

Are they mandating 4K on the system?

That sounds like a gigantic waste of hardware power given pretty much everyone with a 4K TV spends all day watching 1080p or less content anyway.

I don't know about mandating, but reading the full interview, he talks about 4K a lot. Even aside from and before any positioning vs the Xbox S. I think from his point of view the purpose of Scorpio is to take Xbox One games and run them at 4K.

 

[Diprosalic]

They want people to buy xbox one s es

After the scorpio box is out they'll change their tune

why even announce it then? i don't get it.
just do a "yeah we're always working on stuff" thing.

 

[wapplew]

I feel like I'm the only one who understood the purpose of Scorpio/Neo..

Scorpio/Neo are mid-gen update for their 8th gen consoles (PS4/X1).

They are not intended to replace those machines at all (all games should be playable on both current/upgraded consoles).

Scorpio/Neo could provide extra resolution/framerates to current games or both (there won't be any exclusive games made for those machines)

Scorpio/Neo share the same OS as current versions, no need to overhaul the OS since they are considered of a same generation.

Scorpio/Neo are part of the same generation as PS4/X1

PS5/XboxTwo are the real successors to PS4/X1. With new OS/servers and might not be BC with current gen including Scorpio/Neo.


I feel generations are still the main theme for console, only difference is introducing a mid-gen update to keep up with advances in GPU, TV res or other technologies.

Nah, it might be true for Neo base on statement by Andrew House, it's in Sony benefit to extent PS4 life because they are winning.
MS want to hit reset button, they want to start over just don't have the gut to break the news to their fans.

 

[PaulLFC]

Surely if a game's framerate is unlocked it'd run better on Scorpio at 1080p just on account of the increased power?

If it's designed to be locked to 30FPS I can't imagine it'd take much work for developers to set the lock to 60FPS if the game detects it's running on Scorpio at 1080p.

That's for the most basic improvement too - who's to say there won't be some devs who will implement graphical improvements when running on Scorpio?

I don't think what Phil is saying in this quote will turn out to be true.

 

[MaineUPTDC]

nah dude everyone got it, we're just confused that apparently Scorpio is just used for putting out 4k and nothing else.



what trap?

The trap of believing that it'll only be Xbox One games output in 4K.

 

[Kyoufu]

Guys, there's no way they are creating a console with these specs just for a 4K resolution bump.

That's exactly what they're doing. 4K adoption is on the rise and will be the new standard eventually, so Microsoft will no doubt want to be at the forefront of 4K gaming.

 

[Cold Lager]

is it even likely we'll see games like battlefield running 4k @60fps on this console?

No

The trap of believing that it'll only be Xbox One games output in 4K.

You think 6 AMDflops is enough to do more then that at 4k/30fps?

 

[Diprosalic]

The trap of believing that it'll only be Xbox One games output in 4K.

that's what they're telling us.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Are they mandating 4K on the system?

That sounds like a gigantic waste of hardware power given pretty much everyone with a 4K TV spends all day watching 1080p or less content anyway.

Well, someone posted a link a page or two back with him stating it's up to the devs to use the 6tf GPU how they want.

what CPU does the scorpio have? does anyone know? is it even likely we'll see games like battlefield running 4k @60fps on this console? don't PC's struggle with that even now?

No on knows, I saw an article on tweaktown I think?about it using Zen.

since 2013 people have been ranting that resolution is king, especially here.

he either said what he thinks people want to hear "look super high rez"

or he miss spoke and was just saying that you wont get the 4k benefit on a 1080p screen not that there wont be other enhancements (what i think is most likely)

or its just to shift some focus to the X1s for the year (most likely)

True, can't deny that but there have been people who voiced fps over resolution to be fair.

 

[MysteryM]

since 2013 people have been ranting that resolution is king, especially here.

he either said what he thinks people want to hear "look super high rez"

or he miss spoke and was just saying that you wont get the 4k benefit on a 1080p screen not that there wont be other enhancements (what i think is most likely)

or its just to shift some focus to the X1s for the year (most likely)

Resolution is king when everyone owns TV's that support the resolution you are trying to promote.

 

[chromatic9]

I fully expect some games will be native 4k or have a 4k mode like exclusives but some other games pushing more details, global illumination and so on will have to render at 1080p and 1440p.

He's best off rephrasing the comment because if you start saying only 4k then when the time comes and only a certain percentage are really 4k you'll look bad. An emphasis on 4k is better and higher fidelity games with a base res of 1920x1080.

In saying that, with reconstruction techniques I can see this becoming really hard to pin down once you have 1080p-2160p and every variable imaginable. They will probably strongly market everything at 4k and only a few of us will know its 1440p or 1600p and highly variable. It may not be worth anyone's time trying to piece together what the true res of a high end tech game is.