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[Update: Phil Spencer says no 4K mandate, devs can make 1080p game with Scorpio]
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TheSlySoul
Member
Guess they confirmed it is only for 4K media and only upscales. Wonder if Neo is the same...
CrimsonEclipse
Member
I remember seeing this video, and this makes more sense. Too a lot of people though having a 4k console play in a 1080p screen might feel it makes no sense, not everyone is as tech savvy to understand down sampling and all that other jazz and the benefits.
So I just think ms wanna stick that 4k message.it would be stupid for MS to restrict devs on using the power how they see fit. I do understand the confusion but marketing .
Probably just should of said, console is capable of 4k gaming but can also really push 1080p/60fps which seems to be the case. It's really not that concerning. MS is just bad at messaging at times.
Wishmaster92
Member
I thought there was gonna be a downsampling option or a frame rate increase, or extra graphical effects like increased draw distance for people without a 4K tv?? Basically there's no incentive if you don't have a 4K set
SeeNoWeevil
Member
If developers are forced to create scorpio games at 2160p30, that's really going to stifle the potential for visuals to scale on the PC port.
thanks, will do!
gaming_noob
Member
I can already see the concern when most Scorpio games are 1080/1440p.
Spencer needs to keep quiet for a while.
Spencer needs to keep quiet for a while.
Vincent Grayson
Member
What the hell is a PS5? According to the leaked stuff, Neo would have "Neo mode" for games which would involve some kind of improved performance/res/etc and has nothing to do with gaming at 4K.
Assuming this whole thing isn't just a misunderstanding, PS4 Neo would be an upgraded PS4 in every sense of the word. It'd support 4K for UHD BR and streaming, but the improved tech specs would be about improving PS4 games to run better, rather than bumping the native resolution to 4K (which, based on leaked hardware specs, wouldn't be practical).
While the XBO stuff would mean the S model is just a slim version (plus adding UHD/4K streaming support) and the Scorpio is an upgraded version meant for 4K TVs that unlike the Neo would be using its power entirely to run games at 4K.
It's that last bit that sounds dubious to me, but MS has done some weird shit before, so who knows.
Mixolydian
Member
I think there are simply too many mixed messages being thrown around. They should've revealed the consoles, settled on a unified stock answer for them, and let the consumer decide how they want to fit these consoles into their homes. This is a bit messy, and I refuse to believe there will be no advantage without a 4k TV.
Come on MS..
Come on MS..
LordRaptor
Member
Is this the turning point for the creepy "I believe in Phil Spencer" GAF contingent to see him less as the man of thier dreams and more of the PR spokesperson who says just enough for you to fill in the blanks as what you want to hear?
DudeWithNoName
Member
Yep.
Agreed. I've really got no interest in XB1 fidelity at 4K.
Vincent Grayson
Member
I suspect that's Sony's plan. No way the Neo is over $400.
MilkyJoe
Member
Exactly. It's not going to be able to deliver what he's saying, with the visuals people expect, a year and a half from now.
So Phil is really saying this wont be possible or is it just worded funny..serious question.
Maybe not the Neo but the next PS console as far as 4k.
Yea its getting confusing now. Thanks for the quick responses.
GHG
Gold Member
Scorpio will be as much a 4K gaming console as the Xbox one is a 1080p gaming console.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I give it about 2 hours till Phil regrets that statement and revises it.
There is no way that thing is doing native 4K for all of their games. He is just trying to his damndest to keep the hype train going that SCORPIO WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL SYSTEM EVER!! YOUR TV'S CANT EVEN HANDLE IT!
There is no way that thing is doing native 4K for all of their games. He is just trying to his damndest to keep the hype train going that SCORPIO WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL SYSTEM EVER!! YOUR TV'S CANT EVEN HANDLE IT!
DannyDanger
Member
But u don't need 4k to notice better frame rates
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Don't like the sound of this.
6tb of power and all I can have is Xbox One games at 4K. Wanted to be blown away but with just a resolution bump that's not gonna happen.
6tb of power and all I can have is Xbox One games at 4K. Wanted to be blown away but with just a resolution bump that's not gonna happen.
WTF! I realize the memo has been sent out today downplay Scorpio, but this statement is ridiculous. Microsoft is a $400 billion dollar company. Sony''s market cap is around $35 billion. MS just drop $26 billion (all cash) on LinkedIn like nothing. I know gaf is video game bubble but gees.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
Huh??? But it's like 4 times more powerful I thought?
It's not like they've reached the limit of how good a 1080p game can look on Xbone. And what about framerate?
What am I missing? How on Earth would it not improve something on a 1080p TV?
It's not like they've reached the limit of how good a 1080p game can look on Xbone. And what about framerate?
What am I missing? How on Earth would it not improve something on a 1080p TV?
admittedley,'specs' are not my most knowledgeable area...
Swass
Member
buying a UHD/4K TV was on my list way before Scorpio anyway (Black Friday-ish), duh
I need the UHD TV as a pro-Scorpio argument for the wife anyways, I need to justify a second XBONE (and later a second PS4)
I suggest checking out the Vizio 2016 P series.. lowest input lag of any 4k TV, full array local dimming opposed to Samsung inferior edge-lit panels, and very kind to the wallet.. best bang for the buck.
Yea this is what I was trying to say. Like with a 4k TV you would get the full effects of the differences but on less than 4k you should see some too, just not all.
Or is Phil effectively saying no Scorpio mode for XBO games?
Yea...someone said it yesterday...its almost like 2013 all over again...
Nervous Sausage
Member
As someone with a 4K TV I have zero interest in this if it's going to just be current gen assets output at 4K. The difference IMO is minimal and only even noticeable if I'm sitting right in front of the screen (which I obviously don't do). How is this even going to be possible for developers? Sounds like it'll just stunt game development for another 5 years or so as they'll be forced to output in 4K, leaving them with no room to make anything more advanced than what we have right now. I'd be much happier with 1080p, 60fps and the power put towards things that actually matter like in game assets, AI and building more advanced games.
Glorified G
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mangochutney
Member
He should have worn more t-shirts.
Actually, he should have worn 4,000 t-shirts that'd have been funny.
MisterXDTV
Member
This is exactly what he said!
Setting Scorpio to 1080p output won't make games run better if they are native 2160p
Neuromancer
Member
That may have been hyperbole, but you have to admit MS's messaging for much of this console generation has been a mess.
what do you mean? the logic is that CPU is usually linked to FPS whereas GPU to pixels and effects etc, hence stating the only difference is noticeable on a 4K TV suggests no FPS improvements
it's up to the dev to do this not MS
No. He's still the man.
Scottish Sin
Member
Guys, there's no way they are creating a console with these specs just for a 4K resolution bump.
Agreed. I mean surely they wouldn't put all this power in a new box just for 4K XB1 games? I think there will be some Spencer back tracking after this comment.
PanicFreak
Member
I'll believe it when I see it.
Diprosalic
Banned
not really, i'd take a beautiful 1080p game over a decent looking game in 4k.
if it's really just a xbox one game in 4k, i'll gladly pass on that.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Scorpio is gonna be fucking expensive, is what he's saying.
599 here we go
599 here we go
Spiral Insanity
Banned
What's the point of 4k gaming if it runs at 20fps? Why would they focus the messaging on power if all that is used for is VR and 4K? Strange statement.
Look at Forza Apex and you will see where MS is heading in terms of automatic scale-ability of graphics.
buenoblue
Member
Yeah I experimented with a panasonic ax802b 4k tv with my 6700k 780ti sli pc. Could only run games @4k30 which I did not really like. Sold panny and bought a 1080p lg ec930v oled and am so much happier. Every game 1080 60 basically. If scorpio is same games at 4k 30 then that's a no buy.