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[Instro]

Well Koizumi can make it happen now that Miyamoto can't interfere.

Yeah that really needs to come back, so disappointed with how Nintendo has gone backwards in that regard with this series.

As far as changing it, I think going back to Mario 64 and trying to marry the big open hub and large worlds, with some of the detailed platforming of Galaxy and 3D World would be the way to go. Mario has really regressed in terms of presentation and scope since the original Galaxy, so this is a good opportunity to blow it out again.

I'll admit...
...what I saw in the BoTW shrines was pretty impressive for what basically amounts to 2 min mini-dungeons and many who shared my concerns seemed to feel the same way, but at the same time it's pretty clear that the design choice itself compensates for the fact that having 8 to 10 full scale traditional Zelda dungeons (containing complex unique puzzles/obstacles/layouts/themes) in an open-world without just giving the player everything from the start isn't something that meshes well with an open world free roaming style (being physically locked out of dungeons due to lacking certain items goes against what they're trying to do)
I still have a lot of concerns as someone who was invested in the direction the series looked like it was headed pre-ALBW. Plus, I'm just personally not a fan of open world games. I'm sure I'll have fun with BoTH, but I'll probably always yearn for pre-ALBW Zelda games.

If they have to make the same kind of compromises to make an open world 3D Mario work (big circular maps that allow you to get around everything don't mesh with the kind of dense complex level design you'd find in Galaxies 1&2/3DLand&World), I don't want any part of it.

But we already know Zelda is going to have dungeons in addition to the shrines.

 

[NHarmonic.]

We live in a world where Zelda is a hotly anticipated open world RPG. Where Pokemon has adopted aesthetic design philosophy fit for this side of the year 2000. Where the last Metroid game was an action game developed by Team Ninja, where the next one is a chibi co-op shooter.

I think it's not too much to expect Nintendo to come through when they say they're mixing things up, this time around.

I don't see it with Pokemon, that's been stagnant and even worse, devolving in many aspects lately. Metroid, maybe, but how the franchise was killed after Other M just shows incompetence and a big fuck you to an entire fanbase, and Federation force kinda doesn't fix that.

They are shaking things up (like, with Splatoon, amazing game), but it can be hit or miss at the end of the day. Playing those 2 games, specially 3DLand, made me realize how redundant mario has become, specially after the great galaxy saga.

This has gotta be shitposting... right?

No, it's called being cautious. I also don't hold Miyamoto/Nintendo in a pedestal when they've been very hit and miss both as a company and with the treatment of some of it's franchises.

 

[Jeels]

Honestly I don't trust Miyamoto with any series anymore at this point so I hope he's not the primary driver of a new Mario...

 

[MK_768]

This pretty much confirmed Mario won't be an NX launch title.

To be honest it really never was gonna be. Not with Zelda there.

 

[Vena]

Honestly I don't trust Miyamoto with any series anymore at this point so I hope he's not the primary driver of a new Mario...

Miyamoto hasn't been the driving force behind them for years. Look to Koizumi.

 

[rokkerkory]

Possibly in a year??? Yikes

 

[jblank83]

Honestly I don't trust Miyamoto with any series anymore at this point so I hope he's not the primary driver of a new Mario...

He was talking about his (minor) involvement in Zelda but no one gives him any credit for that.

Somehow everything bad Nintendo does is the Miyamoto-goblin meddling and anything good they do is in spite of him.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

I want a 3D Mario / Mario RPG in Mario Kart 8's setting. Who's with me?

Everyone of course

Areas lifted from MK8's track backgrounds with a greater sense of place would be fantastic.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

The announcement of an announcement on a whole new level, a 1 year gap. At least they're letting us know Mario is not a dead franchise, because people were worried.

 

[Shiggy]

Why did nobody ask about Pikmin 4?

 

[Malus]

exactly.

some people are so afraid of change.

change can be bad, but it can also be good. there is no reason why an open world 3d mario can't be awesome.

I'm not afraid of change at all. I'd love for the new Mario to be something totally out of left field, hopefully in a good way lol.

Just not sold on the idea that making Mario open world makes the game better. I guess it'd be up to them to prove it.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

Why did nobody ask about Pikmin 4?

It seems like every small answer was embargoed to be released at a certain time. It was a group Q&A with several media outlets it seems. Although, I'm sure they all did a terrible job of asking questions anyway.

 

[optimiss]

The current Mario design philosophy of "introduce new idea, build on it, mix it up, bin it, rinse and repeat" - which has led to three of the finest platformers of all time - isn't something that's going to work open-world. Even going back to the Mario 64 design philosophy of playgrounds, that only works because the game has tight, compact spaces - Sunshine, though a great game, suffered for levels that were frankly too large and too distracting, and an open-world Mario would just exacerbate that issue.

I'd rather they just stuck to their guns of tight, linear platforming design... but removed the part where you need to keep dipping out of levels to go to a hub world or a level select. People joke about God of War 4 in this thread, but their "long, continous shot" idea? I reckon you could apply that to Mario rather handily.

This guy fucks!

Seriously though, you are right on the money. Taking it one step further, I'd also really like if there was a Paper Mario style story woven in. I think that would be a cool combo with the continuous shot.

 

[bman94]

Speaking of launch titles, I think Nintendo is making a mistake not having Zelda as an NX-only title.

No it would be a mistake making a NX-only game. They've been teasing, delaying and promising this game for years for the Wii U. If at the last minute they said it's not coming to the Wii U it'll piss off a lot of people.

 

[MilkBeard]

Considering how they have shaken up Zelda a bit, I hope Mario will receive the same treatment. Mario 64 and Mario Galaxy were huge, innovative changes. I hope Mario NX can push some expanded design (and I don't mean with motion controls or gimmicks).

 

[Pro from Dover]

You mean this guy?

I want to see these guys in a situational comedy game! They are neighbors and always at odds. Mario is always creating too much noise building the ultimate brick BBQs just for him and his crew to wreck them in failure and frustration. And Donkey Kong's trees keep dropping bananas into Mario's yard and Donkey Kong's house, being in the trees, keeps swaying over the property line.

 

[Aldric]

The current Mario design philosophy of "introduce new idea, build on it, mix it up, bin it, rinse and repeat" - which has led to three of the finest platformers of all time

It has also led to two of the most controversial Mario games of all time. For all the praise 3D World receives you'll find as many people finding the game underwhelming and something they don't want from a 3D Mario game.

Personally l find Hayashida's design philosophy greatly overrated and l'd hate the next game to be more of the same, short linear levels based around a single gimmick going through the four steps process. That's not to say a Mario equivalent to BotW would work either, but l at least hope the game is something significantly different from the tedious homogenized formula of 3D World.

 

[tonyh24613]

People are all talking about new 3D Mario, but I'd like to see a 2D Mario with new art style first.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Mario will be their Christmas 2017 game, I bet.

Though I am curious what they have for launch, since I am betting it is not only Zelda.

Probably Pikmin 4 atleast. We all know Pikmin 4 is coming for NX at this point. Miyamoto said it was almost done a year ago.

Btw I love the new guys at Nintendo. I love how they're questioning the conventions. I expect a huge open world 3D Mario. I expect Super Mario 64 except bigger.

 

[GDGF]

You mean this guy?

Cruel Bastard Mario is awesome.

 

[jroc74]

uh oh....

And I just said in another thread the hype around the new Zelda was justified because it was almost like Mario 64 all over again.

Now this....

 

[Dark Cloud]

To be honest it really never was gonna be. Not with Zelda there.

I never expected Mario at launch. There's no point in having your two biggest series. Save this huge brand new Mario for the holidays which would only be 8 months later from NX launch.

I'll go back to what Emily said with Luigis Mansion coming to NX. I think it'll be Zelda, Pikmin 4 and Luigis Manion 3 for NX launch.

 

[jroc74]

I'm excited but it's expected. Every 2 3D Mario games have focused on a different concept:

- Mario 64/Sunshine
- Galaxy/Galaxy 2
- 3D Land/ 3D World
- New concept NX Mario

Interesting...

What could they do next? I will settle for 64/Sunshine/Galaxy mash up. With a sprinkle of 3D Land/World.

 

[Kingpin Rogers]

This pretty much confirmed Mario won't be an NX launch title.

Fully expect New Super Mario Bros NX as a launch title.

 

[Wavebossa]

Fully expect New Super Mario Bros NX as a launch title.

based on...?

EDIT: Oh you mean that series, nvm

 

[CharminUltra]

YASSS KING

 

[AntMurda]

Fully expect New Super Mario Bros NX as a launch title.

I don't think so. More like Super Mario Maker DX.

 

[A Link to the Past]

"A new kind of Mario"

I wonder if he means this in the same way that the Color Splash director means when they say that Paper Mario is now an experimental series.

 

[AntMurda]

"A new kind of Mario"

I wonder if he means this in the same way that the Color Splash director means when they say that Paper Mario is now an experimental series.

Risa Taba is the assistant producer from Nintendo.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Risa Taba is the assistant producer from Nintendo.

Assistant producer then, but even in that case she's echoing things that have been said before about the series by other people (unless Risa was behind those statements also).

Anyway I'm not trying to make this about Color Splash, just being snarky about not trusting that this will be a truly new Mario experience unless the newness is reflected by taking an inspired series of 3D platformers into a less inspired direction.

 

[Shmuppers]

they gave it to platinum

 

[SoulUnison]

Super Mario "World" - ONLINE

 

[Falk]

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

These quotes from Aonuma interviews seem relevant:

Time


Wired

I'm so fucking excited.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Super Mario "World" - ONLINE

I would actually like to see that.

YASSS KING

o_o

 

[NimbusD]

Maybe, similar to zelda, they'll go back to a classic and REALLY try to imagine it in 3d as opposed to reimagining n64 games which were imaginings of the 2d games with insanely limited technology and scope compared to todays games.

My hope is for mario bros 3. Imagine like traversing a platforming land like that but in 3d? Basically playing what you IMAGINED you were playing back then.

 

[Pro from Dover]

Before Nintendo Badge Arcade, where did this Mario come from?

Mario, a-CEO.

 

[XenodudeX]

what the shit is that

 

[A Link to the Past]

Maybe, similar to zelda, they'll go back to a classic and REALLY try to imagine it in 3d as opposed to reimagining n64 games which were imaginings of the 2d games with insanely limited technology and scope compared to todays games.

My hope is for mario bros 3. Imagine like traversing a platforming land like that but in 3d? Basically playing what you IMAGINED you were playing back then.

Would this Mario 3-2 be an open-world style game, or just linear with some exploration?

what the shit is that

It's Maronic

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Maybe, similar to zelda, they'll go back to a classic and REALLY try to imagine it in 3d as opposed to reimagining n64 games which were imaginings of the 2d games with insanely limited technology and scope compared to todays games.

My hope is for mario bros 3. Imagine like traversing a platforming land like that but in 3d? Basically playing what you IMAGINED you were playing back then.

3D World is all of this though. Unless you mean aesthetically?

 

[lwilliams3]

That is an image of nightmares..lol.

 

[EhoaVash]

Lol we'll probably see a 2d nsmb game before another 3d one and every one will be pissed again.

 

[Babymario26]

The announcement of an announcement on a whole new level, a 1 year gap. At least they're letting us know Mario is not a dead franchise, because people were worried.

... i was worried.

 

[JaseC]

Nintendo has jumped on the bandwagon and is making a hero shooter!

... i was worried.

Yeah, but you're a baby, so that's to be expected.

 

[Doctre81]

Fully expect New Super Mario Bros NX as a launch title.

I hope not. As much as I like New Super Marios Bros U they need to give that spinoff a rest. Maybe even an eternal one.

 

[n0razi]

Open world survival Mario with crafting and loot

 

[Dark Cloud]

I hope not. As much as I like New Super Marios Bros U they need to give that spinoff a rest. Maybe even an eternal one.

They're not going to make anymore NSMB games. Those were more catered to casual crowds from the Wii systems.

Also, they have Super Mario Maker which kills the point in have another NSMB game. It's going to be a brand new 2D Mario game.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

Interesting...

What could they do next? I will settle for 64/Sunshine/Galaxy mash up. With a sprinkle of 3D Land/World.

I always envisioned a Mario Galaxy 3 where all galaxies were divided into different worlds. However, each world had a giant SM64-esque hub world. In game you would travel on a ship and land at a hub planet in each world. From there you could collect stars, meet the locale and explore the hub planet or you could use the observatory to launch to other galaxies in that area. The Galaxies could range in size and style to appeal to Galaxy and SM3DW fans. That could appease both fans.

However, now that I've seen BotW and Nintendo's comments about bringing in younger staff. I think we could see something more ambitious outside of their usual formula that Mario has run on. While I'm not entirely sure it'd be the right direction. I'm confident that Nintendo could create a giant 3D World platformer. They could create creative and interesting platforming challenges all throughout the world. They could scatter tons of stars throughout the world and let the player constantly be coming across different platforming challenges and puzzles to obtain them. They could also give Mario so many different power ups to use throughout the world.

I've felt in many ways Mario and Zelda have always mirrored each other in many ways. For example, SM64 and OoT used the same base engine and both influenced each other's designs. While both of those games were very different from each other and were revolutionary in their right, they both shared a lot of similarities and similar game design philosophies. I could see Nintendo making a similar move with their next major Mario and Zelda titles sharing similar design philosophies and working off each other.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Maybe, similar to zelda, they'll go back to a classic and REALLY try to imagine it in 3d as opposed to reimagining n64 games which were imaginings of the 2d games with insanely limited technology and scope compared to todays games.

My hope is for mario bros 3. Imagine like traversing a platforming land like that but in 3d? Basically playing what you IMAGINED you were playing back then.

This is essentially what Super Mario 3D World is.

They're not going to make anymore NSMB games. Those were more catered to casual crowds from the Wii systems.

Also, they have Super Mario Maker which kills the point in have another NSMB game. It's going to be a brand new 2D Mario game.

Yep and Tezuka has basically said as much. Minus the "casual crowd" stuff. The next iteration of 2D Mario will still be aimed at a large audience.

 

[KingBroly]

Maybe it'll be a Mario collect-a-thon in the vein of Banjo-Kazooie?