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Large Youtubers Hide Ownership of CSGO Lottery Site

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Mahonay

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Dennis said:
The CSGOLotto URL gets you this

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Dennis said:
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Welp. Party is over for these guys.

Lesson of the day, it's best not to be a scheming scumbag for a living.
 
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lifeexpectancy

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Matticers said:
The thing that really pisses me off about all of this is that both of these guys were already rich just from making youtube videos before they even started this CSGOlotto nonsense. At what point do you have enough money that you don't want to go and do shady ass shit like this? Apparently it's never enough for some people. Scumbags.
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My man! You basically just said exactly what I said in my video commentary on these dickshits. I might ranted a bit more though.


Once money and greed enter the picture, nothing is ever enough.

Darryl M R said:
Good video; I enjoyed hearing your reaction and take on the situation. I feel like you did a good job portraying, not just your own but, most people thoughts on the matter.

To be honest, I'm a bit disappointed that you do not look like your avatar.
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Lol thanks man. Yeah just felt for the first time ever relating to anything gaming side that I had to get that off my chest. I would totally marry Lauren Graham. She's amazing. Sorry to disappoint with my man looks. Thankfully my wife is ok with them. ;)
 
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Mr.Mike

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Vena said:
The FTC would go in hard on the betting against yourself while also being in control of the wheel, so to speak. He's not only allowing for underaged gambling, he's also fixing the odds entirely in his own favor while betting on it.
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Right, but that's also stuff mainly to do with his videos, which is what I think the FTC's purview is. What I'm wondering is if there's anything about the site itself he might face heat on, because as scandalous and dishonest as his videos are, it's the site, and the sort of precedents that might be set around that stuff that is the most interesting in the long run.

Also I get the impression that he's given up on not getting in legal trouble and is just trying to hold on to his fanbase now.
 
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Mobius and pet octopus

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Why are people saying this is a legally grey area? Because it's online? No, that's not a grey area. Because the product being wagered isn't currency? No, that isn't a grey area. The wager can be a product of value and doesn't have to be currency directly.

So what area is grey people are referring to?
 
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Mr.Mike

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Mobius and pet octopus said:
Why are people saying this is a legally grey area? Because it's online? No, that's not a grey area. Because the product being wagered isn't currency? No, that isn't a grey area. The wager can be a product of value and doesn't have to be currency directly.

So what area is grey people are referring to?
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To be honest I'm just not familiar with the laws around gambling. Maybe it's all actually pretty clear cut.

YianGaruga said:
it's just video games nbd
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I do not think that "it's just video games" diminishes the severity of the act. Just that it seems that this specific situation might be unprecedented and partially unaccounted for in the current legal setup, but my knowledge of the laws around this are pretty much non-existent.
 
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YianGaruga

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Mobius and pet octopus said:
Why are people saying this is a legally grey area? Because it's online? No, that's not a grey area. Because the product being wagered isn't currency? No, that isn't a grey area. The wager can be a product of value and doesn't have to be currency directly.

So what area is grey people are referring to?
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it's just video games nbd
 
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Boke1879

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OCD Guy said:
You're likely right.

Although depending on how much this blows up, who knows whether they'll use this opportunity to make an example of them and set a precedent for new legislation that's regularly enforced online.

I know it's not good to wish bad upon others, but I'd be lying if I said wouldn't feel smug if they were given short sentences in jail.
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No I agree. Something needs to happen because above all else. They lied and took advantage of people for their personal gain.
 
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Darryl M R

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OCD Guy said:
Lol

An example of when Trevor was in full flow

https://www.instagram.com/p/BEaTZ81wN67/
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It can be argued that he stole $23,600 from people by betting and weighing it so that he could win correct?

Some random kids could pop up on his site wanting to bet their $800 knife and he just logs into the mod account and "wins" the item with a 100% chance of success?

This is the narrative I am hoping get pushed heavily. He established an illegal gambling site that he [could have] used to steal digital items that hold real world value from people.
 
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lifeexpectancy

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Mobius and pet octopus said:
Why are people saying this is a legally grey area? Because it's online? No, that's not a grey area. Because the product being wagered isn't currency? No, that isn't a grey area. The wager can be a product of value and doesn't have to be currency directly.

So what area is grey people are referring to?
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I simply said possible grey area in my video because I am not a lawyer and try to to claim knowledge about subjects upon which I'm ignorant. I don't wanna be THAT guy talking outta my ass about things.

Btw I'm not saying you are or anything. I'm just saying that if it's not something I know for sure, I'd rather just admit ignorance by saying 'possible grey area'.
 
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Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew

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StaticJam said:
Hmmmmm?
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It seems like a lot of these websites are working with each other. I found this CSGO website that went off the grid recently (or is having "technical issues" aka scammed). I think it's operated by the same folks as CSGOLotto.

And the further down the rabbit hole I go, the more similarities I see for them all.
 
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aspiegamer

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So that video was up for months with thousands upon thousands of views and not a single person noticed the bot profile login, him trading to another bot (39!), or a bot's twitter in the bookmark bar? Even the internet sucks at noticing itself being the internet, apparently.
shagg_187 said:
What if I tell you that a lot of these major CS:GO gambling websites are working together?
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Absolutely no one on GAF with an account in good standing should be naive enough to think it's not possible. Should.
 
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Mahonay

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OCD Guy said:
Lol

An example of when Trevor was in full flow

https://www.instagram.com/p/BEaTZ81wN67/
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Darryl M R said:
It can be argued that he stole $23,600 from people by betting and weighing it so that he could win correct?

Some random kids could pop up on his site wanting to bet there $800 knife and he just logs into the mod account and "wins" the item with a 100% chance of success?

This is the narrative I am hoping get pushed heavily. He established an illegal gambling site that he [could have] used to steal digital items that hold real world value from people.
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Yep. This is a perfect example of why they are likely going to face some kind of repercussions now that this stuff is coming to light. Just some really fucked up shit.
 
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jelmerjt

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https://www.instagram.com/p/BF9HCUdwN_t/

I get to wake up every day of my life and do what I love, sharing my passion with people that I love. Thank you for supporting me and enabling me to do that.

All of this is from a 15 year old kid who had big dreams, a hard work ethic, and a love for video games. I remember when gaming was looked down upon, as a waste of time and productivity. Now we have entertainers with millions of subscribers and competitive CounterStrike on live TV.

Anything is possible, work hard, do what you love, and create your own luck. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

Thanks dudes
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Audioboxer

Audioboxer

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aspiegamer said:
So that video was up for months with thousands upon thousands of views and not a single person noticed the bot profile login, him trading to another bot (39!), or a bot's twitter in the bookmark bar? Even the internet sucks at noticing itself being the internet, apparently.Absolutely no one on GAF with an account in good standing should be naive enough to think it's not possible. Should.
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Or he's mostly watched by fans that unfortunately group together with glitter in their eyes and wouldn't dare think anything bad of someone on the internet they like.

Quite a bit of shady stuff can slip by till the neutrals start their grillings.
 
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Foxxsoxx

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People never cease to amaze me... I can't comprehend how some people just can't tell themselves that what they already have is enough.
 
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Audioboxer

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Foxxsoxx said:
People never cease to amaze me... I can't comprehend how some people just can't tell themselves that what they already have is enough.
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Many modest rich folk do, it's just usually those chasing popularity/fame and a visible presence in the eyes of others got where they are in the first place by being dicks/being born into riches and being dicks about it.

Tons of rich folk in the background you'll never hear about/hear from or know of.
 
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Mobius and pet octopus

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Mr.Mike said:
To be honest I'm just not familiar with the laws around gambling. Maybe it's all actually pretty clear cut.



I do not think that "it's just video games" diminishes the severity of the act. Just that it seems that this specific situation might be unprecedented and partially unaccounted for in the current legal setup, but my knowledge of the laws around this are pretty much non-existent.
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I'm not that familiar either (which is why I am asking) but I don't think the wager being non-currency has any relevance based on the little I do know. Casino chips are not legal tender either.

And yeah, I don't think the fact it being a video game is of importance.

There does seem to be federal laws pertaining to online gambling. I think most people (myself included) just aren't well informed, which doesn't mean it's legally grey just that we're unaware of what the answers to those issues are (and perhaps even what those issues are).
 
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