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[JP_]

More http://siol.net/galleries/gallery-175248/?image=1

 

[EdibleKnife]

More http://siol.net/galleries/gallery-175248/?image=1

Lol looks like she's remote hacking them

 

[MogCakes]

At the same time, they found another hospital, which was my other point. "If only those protesters protested on the sidewalks instead of one road out of many..." There's always a backup plan when these things happen.

Aren't interstates major arteries for travel? In some areas almost every road is built around them. 5-10 minutes in detouring can mean life or death for a victim in an ambulance. Is that a risk outweighed in the name of protest? I think it's a harder issue to approach than given credit for.

 

[PopeReal]

If you have a critique for the resistance, for our resistance, then you better have an established record of critique of our oppression. If you have no interest in equal rights for black people, then do not make suggestions to those who do. Sit down.

From Jesse Williams.

If you are so concerned about where people should protest and how they should do it, you are concerned about why they are doing it in the first place..... right? I mean safety of our citizens is important, right?

 

[theultimo]

I think it's interesting to show that in MPLS at least, every race with no boundaries was protesting against this. It's a BLM movement, but it doesn't mean it's just an Africian American protest. It's a systemic issue, and we are united against this.

 

[JP_]

Aren't interstates major arteries for travel? In some areas almost every road is built around them. 5-10 minutes in detouring can mean life or death for a victim in an ambulance. Is that a risk outweighed in the name of protest? I think it's a harder issue to approach than given credit for.

Probably depends what they're protesting for. In this case, they're protesting for many lives.

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

Aren't interstates major arteries for travel? In some areas almost every road is built around them. 5-10 minutes in detouring can mean life or death for a victim in an ambulance. Is that a risk outweighed in the name of protest? I think it's a harder issue to approach than given credit for.

Sometimes, yes, but I haven't seen many, or any, cases of someone dying because of protest, again, I hear mostly hypotheticals, not actual things that happen. There's always a backup plan for emergencies like this, there's so many things that could go wrong on the way that it's not smart not to have one. Like I said, if it wasn't protesters, it's a car pile up or nature taking its toll. In dire cases of emergency, there's always these things that can come in handy:

Oddly enough, I have a story like this. My old landlord needed to go from New Bedford to Boston because his liver was failing, they drove an ambulance there, but traffic issues popped up half way there and they had to use one of those medical helicopters to get him to Boston. He didn't make it because of complications in the operating room later on, but he made it in time to live up to that point.

 

[theultimo]

Here's a good gallery of the protests during the day in the twin cities
http://www.mprnews.org/story/2016/07/10/photos-a-saturday-of-marching-protests-and-tense-moments

 

[JP_]

. need to confirm first

edit: there's a tweet going around claiming a Trump staffer wanted the cops to "disappear" Deray but he's not on Trump's payroll -- just your typical Trump bigot supporter.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Except the difference is very obvious to everyone who isn't being deliberately ignorant of the dangers. Yes, if no accident happened, it didn't cause an accident, did it? Congratulations with that true statement. But the potential -- hence the choice of the word -- is there, and not everyone takes that lightly.

Are you as outraged by parades as you are by protests?

 

[andythinkpad]

I hope nobody gets killed.

This shit is looking closer and closer to West Bank settlement fights.

 

[aeolist]

Are you as outraged by parades as you are by protests?

my blood pressure goes through the roof whenever i see a marathon, who knows how many elderly people they kill every year???

 

[Squalor]

Criticizing people for peacefully protesting in the streets.

Not criticizing racists and a racist system.

You can't hide.

 

[Velcro Fly]

from what i read on twitter last night, i-94 is largely blocked by construction anyway. so we aren't talking some huge rush hour inconvenience.

save your outrage for if something bad actually happens as a result. hope no one was really hurt or anything because videos and pics made it seem kinda bad in st. paul last night.

 

[Volimar]

Deray being arrested

That's the most photogenic arrest I've ever seen.

 

[GaimeGuy]

MN here.

I have no problem with people protesting by blocking traffic.
I have no problem with the cops arresting people who are protesting by blocking the interstate (It's dangerous, and it's the law. Civil disobedience. You break the law, you get arrested, you bring attention to the cause, generally causing no harm.)
I do have a problem with people throwing rocks and molotov cocktails.

 

[egruntz]

Are you as outraged by parades as you are by protests?

Your false equivalences get old quick. Do you really need the explanation of why a predetermined event that closes the entire street and prevents dangers well before the event occurs is different?

 

[HStallion]

I agree. I know it is an unpopular opinion, but I used to work in Minneapolis, and it seems like there was a protest by some group at least once a week, and this was long before BLM. The last thing I want to do is be stuck in traffic for 2 hours after working a 12 hour day. I'm just a working class guy trying to get by, and this just made me frustrated. Oh well, glad I don't work in Minneapolis/St. Paul anymore.

Stay safe protesters.

Maybe that frustration can help you relate to the black community who constantly have members shot down by the police. That is a mighty frustrating issue and I think just a tad bit more frustrating than you getting stuck in traffic one day.

 

[Stinkles]

Poor Nana Ruth. If only those protesters protested on the sidewalks instead of one road out of many, she hypothetically might have been here with us today.

I mean let's be real, apart from the fact that Nana Ruth WASN'T actually killed by that protest, does anyone think Nana Ruth was coming BACK from hospital? She looks like Yoda's grandma.

And that's if you ignore the fact that the protest was designed to stop LOTS of people dying. So are we balancing one Nana Ruth against dozens of young black men? What does that say?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

What about designated areas closed off specifically so the protest can take place that are usually busy thoroughfares for travel? Seems like a good compromise vs potentially blocking emergency vehicles and further agitation between law enforcement and protesters.

I really can't believe how often this absolutely moronic idea comes up. Read a fucking history book. Or if books aren't your thing, just watch Arrested Development once, where they make an episode long joke out of this idiocy.

 

[PopeReal]

Order before change. America loves its rules when they are used to keep people in place.

 

[MogCakes]

Oddly enough, I have a story like this. My old landlord needed to go from New Bedford to Boston because his liver was failing, they drove an ambulance there, but traffic issues popped up half way there and they had to use one of those medical helicopters to get him to Boston. He didn't make it because of complications in the operating room later on, but he made it in time to live up to that point.

I had no idea they'd send a heli out if traffic was blocked. That's pretty damn dedicated.

From Jesse Williams.

If you are so concerned about where people should protest and how they should do it, you are concerned about why they are doing it in the first place..... right? I mean safety of our citizens is important, right?

Then here's the million dollar question: does posting in this thread call my intent into doubt by talking about logistics?

I really can't believe how often this absolutely moronic idea comes up. Read a fucking history book. Or if books aren't your thing, just watch Arrested Development once, where they make an episode long joke out of this idiocy.

You've pretty much missed my point entirely. As long as emergency services have some way of operating I don't care what part of a city is closed for protesting.

 

[HStallion]

Your false equivalences get old quick. Do you really need the explanation of why a predetermined event that closes the entire street and prevents dangers well before the event occurs is different?

I think the better question are you actually outraged by what the protesters are protesting about because it sounds more like you'd rather make up hypothetical situations where protesting a nation wide, decades long ugly as a sin problem with America and its people is not as big a deal as having an open highway for a short period of time.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I think the better question are you actually outraged by what the protesters are protesting about because it sounds more like you'd rather make up hypothetical situations where protesting a nation wide, decades long ugly as a sin problem with America and its people is not as big a deal as having an open highway for a short period of time.

I guess drivers in America are so enraged all the time that even viewing a traffic jam from the safety of their own home causes them to lash out.

 

[PopeReal]

I had no idea they'd send a heli out if traffic was blocked. That's pretty damn dedicated.


Then here's the million dollar question: does posting in this thread call my intent into doubt by talking about logistics?

My quick answer: only you know that. I could go back and look at your posts and have a better idea. If you care, then you care.

 

[MarkMclovin]

How is there a protestor in the op carrying a shotgun?

 

[Jonm1010]

Your false equivalences get old quick. Do you really need the explanation of why a predetermined event that closes the entire street and prevents dangers well before the event occurs is different?

I don't know about Minnesotta but in Baton Rouge it is pretty easy to move around where the protests happened/are happening. Plenty of alternate routes that don't really reduce travel time all that much.

At least here this is non-issue.. Though the police certainly are trying to make it one so they can wrongfully arrest more people.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

You've pretty much missed my point entirely. As long as emergency services have some way of operating I don't care what part of a city is closed for protesting.

I don't know why you guys operate with the assumption that most protests wouldn't be human enough to let a fucking ambulance through.

 

[Jonm1010]

How is there a protestor in the op carrying a shotgun?

Open carry laws.

 

[Mattlikewhoa]

Following tweets are all from Soledad O'Brien:

Soledad O'Brien ‏@soledadobrien

1. Another good story. Black in America launches in 2008. It's a big deal. The network has put lots of money into promoting it.

2. We are to announce at a big conference called TCA-the television critics association. Basically presenting our upcoming doc to tv critics

3. After my presentation, I'm asked several questions: how long did we shoot for? How did we find our 'characters'?

4. One reporter asks me my biggest takeaway. I tell him that our reporting on policing in the black community was most interesting.

5. I tell him that regardless of socioeconomic status, black people have the same, almost verbatim, conversation with their sons at age 13

6. Rich black people. Poor black people. Solidly middle class black people --all tell their 12, 13 year old sons the same thing:

7. "If you are stopped by the police, do not make any sudden movements. Do as he tells you. Don't say anything"

8. I tell the reporter that these parents are trying to save their sons lives, hence the strict instructions. (@RealDLHughley was interv'd)

9. I tell him that this is something the black community has known for a long time--but I think is interesting in this doc.

10. After my panel, my boss (really my boss' boss' boss) takes me aside. He says that story is not true. That white parents tell their sons

11. ..the same thing. To be respectful to the police. I say this is not the same. I have spent almost two years reporting this doc.

12. I tell him black parents are teaching their children how to survive an interaction w the police. It's actually quite different.

13. I am instructed to stop telling that story. (Because it clearly doesn't match the narrative he is comfortable with). So I do.

Fuck that, keep telling it how it is! Seriously, my dad gave me that talk (and I'm Canadian). I plan to give my daughter the talk when she's of age.

 

[PeskyToaster]

protest where ever you want. it should be disruptive. At least the people aren't dragging people's out of their houses and mounting heads on pikes like they used to.

 

[Volimar]

Following tweets are all from Soledad O'Brien:

Soledad O'Brien ‏@soledadobrien

What was it that Obama said about "the conversation"? I remember he brought it up but I can't recall what it was. Off topic, but I wonder if all girls get their version of the talk regarding men.

protest where ever you want. it should be disruptive. At least the people aren't dragging people's out of their houses and mounting heads on pikes like they used to.

Where would you even find a pike these days? Amazon?

 

[MogCakes]

I don't know why you guys operate with the assumption that most protests wouldn't be human enough to let a fucking ambulance through.

If you leave at least one lane open for an ambulance then it wouldn't even have the possibility of being an issue. Of course now that I've learned hospitals will send out helicopters if they need to that becomes less of a thing.

Where I live I've seen several protests and they would block intersections, but these were always within a matrix of other intersections and alternate routes. I was in Chicago at the start of April and walked among an education reform protest that spanned most of downtown, but left some of the access roads open for slow traffic and presumably emergency vehicles. Hence my thoughts.

 

[Bad_Boy]

People could be peacefully protesting in a public park and the ignorant will still have a problem with it.

 

[Mr. X]

I'm unable to understand the logic behind the concern for traffic over the concern of what they are protesting.

So are you saying all those years of civil rights movements didn't disrupt stuff and they stayed somewhere they legally were able to be? Because they didn't.

Are you saying the reason for the disruption isn't as important as what they did it for? Because it is.

Are you saying be quieter and do it elsewhere as if this was the first choice of action? Because it isn't.

This attitude of "go protest elsewhere" is worse than apathy. Fix the issue and it goes away, not the other way around.

I hope the protesting works before more people get shot because nobody should be dying in order to acknowledge and solve this.

 

[BigRedOne]

But me being Hispanic American and just as likely to have similar experiences as my African brethren I wonder if there is room for latino's to march along and protest with the BLM movement since Hispanics come in many shades of melanin.

 

[TalonJH]

Where would you even find a pike these days? Amazon?

I got a guy. PM me.

But me being Hispanic American and just as likely to have similar experiences as my African brethren I wonder if there is room for latino's to march along and protest with the BLM movement since Hispanics come in many shades of melanin.

http://www.mprnews.org/story/2016/07/10/photos-a-saturday-of-marching-protests-and-tense-moments

It can be a pretty diverse crowd.

Like the civil rights movement, it's for everyone and everyone will benefit.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

But me being Hispanic American and just as likely to have similar experiences as my African brethren I wonder if there is room for latino's to march along and protest with the BLM movement since Hispanics come in many shades of melanin.

Of course. They're doing it all over the country. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of allied Latino groups, and people of color from all backgrounds are in BLM.

 

[BigRedOne]

Of course. They're doing it all over the country. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of allied Latino groups, and people of color from all backgrounds are in BLM.

I guess the Spanish media hasn't caught on yet then.

 

[Easystride]

Okay, that came off completely wrong. My apologies, not my attention.

 

[Mr. X]

But me being Hispanic American and just as likely to have similar experiences as my African brethren I wonder if there is room for latino's to march along and protest with the BLM movement since Hispanics come in many shades of melanin.

This is an "everyone" issue. Nobody should be okay with how the police treat those better or worse because of skin color. Everyone should be pissed no matter your advantage or disadvantage law enforcement bestows you with.

 

[MogCakes]

But me being Hispanic American and just as likely to have similar experiences as my African brethren I wonder if there is room for latino's to march along and protest with the BLM movement since Hispanics come in many shades of melanin.

Much like Feminism is not simply about women, BLM is not only about black people. For it to work, everyone has to partake and be involved.

 

[Claude Augario]

People could be peacefully protesting in a public park and the ignorant will still have a problem with it.

But what if they're blocking the ant-bulance and it can't get to the ant hill in time?

 

[MogCakes]

But what if they're blocking the ant-bulance and it can't get to the ant hill in time?

More relevant would be blocking a jogger on his morning run.

 

[The Kree]

But me being Hispanic American and just as likely to have similar experiences as my African brethren I wonder if there is room for latino's to march along and protest with the BLM movement since Hispanics come in many shades of melanin.

Literally everyone should be protesting police brutality. Reform benefits everyone.

 

[painey]

people here were pretty happy when they were protesting at the governors mansion in st paul

 

[Claude Augario]

More relevant would be blocking a jogger on his morning run.

A jogger is not in a pressing need to get anywhere. What if you killed Flik? How could you explain that to the children of the world? You couldn't, you monster.

 

[kuroneko0509]

I am a bit amazed, but not surprised at how many folks in here don't understand what civil disobedience is and the importance of why you be arrested for pulling a stunt like this in the first place.

civil disobedience and things such as obstructing traffic are common misdemeanors and can even be considered a felony in certain states.

now don't get me wrong, I absolutely support BLM, and in fact think deray knows what he's doing if he was intentionally wanted to take an arrest. but the reactions and misinformed nature of some posters here is quite frankly worrying.

 

[MogCakes]

A jogger is not in a pressing need to get anywhere. What if you killed Flik? How could you explain that to the children of the world? You couldn't, you monster.

Sure. We can go that route if that's your intent.

 

[zer0blivion]