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Protests happening in Minneapolis and Baton Rouge right now

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Ms.Galaxy

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EdibleKnife said:
I believe that's what Kame is getting at. These sentiments about "hurting the cause" and tone policing are nothing new and people felt exactly the same during the Civil Rights era about black demonstration despite how much people want to sugar coat that time as somehow different from now.
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sphagnum said:
That's his point. Don't worry about what whites think about the movement because they're probably going to turn against it anyway.
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Yeah, I figured that a few minutes later once A Link to the Past pointed it out.
 
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Ms.Galaxy said:
And?..

They didn't need to make white friends, they didn't need them to like them, the Civil Rights Act still happened.
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A Link to the Past said:
Seriously; if anything, those statistics seem to be strong evidence that the people who talk about how this hurts the movement don't actually know what they're talking about (so much so that it makes me suspect that kame-sennin posted those figures to make that exact point).
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Um, it was.

I posted that to show that liberals have been wrong about this shit for at least 50 years.
 
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Apt101

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What's the point of civil disobedience in the face of injustice and oppression if you're going to do it kindly and out of the way?
 
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Ms.Galaxy

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Apt101 said:
What's the point of civil disobedience in the face of injustice and oppression if you're going to do it kindly and out of the way?
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To make friends with white liberals so they can send out a 120 character tweet about #blacklivesmatter to feel good about themselves. The best way to protest.
 
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EdibleKnife

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Apt101 said:
What's the point of civil disobedience in the face of injustice and oppression if you're going to do it kindly and out of the way?
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It's kind of telling how few times people who talk about pushing protests off to the side ever give historical examples of sectioned off acts of civil disobedience. All we get is variants of the "catching flies with honey" quote. I've already pointed it out in this topic but we literally spent a holiday this month in celebration of the brash form of civil disobedience that gave the US it's freedom. But suddenly people looking for rights have to take into account the needs of the people not out there marching with them.
 
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Ms.Galaxy

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Apt101 said:
Another one? He was just standing there with his hands up. What the fuck?
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So we now have two recent example, all in the span of a week, where two black people got killed even if they do exactly what the cops tell them to do. Looks like that "just listen to the cops and they won't hurt you" excuse isn't valid anymore, is it.
 
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Diffense

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Apt101 said:
Another one? He was just standing there with his hands up. What the fuck?
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Stark contrast to:
https://twitter.com/MarlaABC13/status/752101328545914881/video/1

Man fires 7 rounds at HPD officers in standoff. They used gas and other tactics to end standoff
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http://www.click2houston.com/news/swat-responding-to-shots-fired-at-hpd-officers-in-west-houston

When officers arrived they found that the suspect had been throwing boxes of belongings, golf clubs, things he had at his neighbors' houses and actually striking the neighbors' houses with these boxes of random objects," Houston Police Department spokesperson Jodi Silva said.

According to police, one officer was hit with shrapnel. He was treated at the scene and will be OK, police said.

Patrol officers fired back once; Swainson was not injured.

The SWAT team and hostage negotiation team were called in to coax Swainson out.

"During the course of these negotiations the suspect fired multiple rounds at the officers again. He was armed with a shotgun and fired at least seven rounds at the officers and into the neighborhood," Silva said.

Police said officers were at the house Friday night and had been dealing with Swainson since Thursday.

"We have (an) ongoing issue with a male living in a residence here," Silva said. "He has made threats against neighbors. He has caused disturbances and has caused loud noise disturbances."

After hours of negotiation, Swainson surrendered to authorities at about 4:30 a.m.

"They did deploy gas into the residence at which point he stayed inside with the gas for quite a while," Silva said. "However, ultimately we were able to speak with him and he did peacefully surrender."

Swainson is charged with two counts of aggravated assault of a public servant and one count of terroristic threat.

Police said Swainson will be evaluated and may be transported to a psychiatric center for further evaluation.
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Let's play guess the complexion.
 
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joe2187

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Did they not teach the civil rights era in high school/middle school history or something?

How can you not understand the entire point of the demonstration/marches? That's the core of it. The daily grind is trivial, it's meant to be provocative without being violent.

People certainly understood back then, what's the difference now? has civil rights become an inconvenience?
 
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EdibleKnife

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joe2187 said:
Did they not teach the civil rights era in high school/middle school history or something?
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Oh people were taught it. But either they were taught or viewed the events through a sanitized, sugar-coated lens safe for consumption. Rarely do people get past the heroes and villains of the era into the nitty gritty of what people actually had to struggle against.
 
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Ms.Galaxy

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joe2187 said:
Did they not teach the civil rights era in high school/middle school history or something?

How can you not understand the entire point of the demonstration/marches? That's the core of it. The daily grind is trivial, it's meant to be provocative without being violent.

People certainly understood back then, what's the difference now? has civil rights become an inconvenience?
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Back when I was in school, we kinda skimmed over the civil rights era for the most part. Our history classes mostly stopped at the 1950s, and never really got into the post-WWII stuff. What we were taught was washed down, sugar coated garbage that mostly fits into like 5 pages in the history book.

That said, back in 7th grade, my social studies teacher decided to spend all of black history month teaching us about the history and social impacts of slavery, the civil rights era, and the struggles and achievements of black americans. She was an awesome teacher, I love her. She did not hold anything back, we saw some cruel and disturbing shit like lynchings and klan burnings.
 
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Dai101

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joe2187 said:
Did they not teach the civil rights era in high school/middle school history or something?

How can you not understand the entire point of the demonstration/marches? That's the core of it. The daily grind is trivial, it's meant to be provocative without being violent.

People certainly understood back then, what's the difference now? has civil rights become an inconvenience?
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Seeing how whitewashed and sanitized texbooks are ....

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You can imagine the rest.
 
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SummitAve

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joe2187 said:
Did they not teach the civil rights era in high school/middle school history or something?

How can you not understand the entire point of the demonstration/marches? That's the core of it. The daily grind is trivial, it's meant to be provocative without being violent.

People certainly understood back then, what's the difference now? has civil rights become an inconvenience?
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I think people do understand them. I think a lot of the confusion happens when outsiders use these demonstrations as an opportunity for violence or whatever other agenda they might have. It undermines both the demonstrator's message and the work of the police to protect the demonstrators. It adds a level of nuance that results in these things becoming very confusing.
 
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joe2187

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Ms.Galaxy said:
Back when I was in school, we kinda skimmed over the civil rights era for the most part. Our history classes mostly stopped at the 1950s, and never really got into the post-WWII stuff. What we were taught was washed down, sugar coated garbage that mostly fits into like 5 pages in the history book.

That said, back in 7th grade, my social studies teacher decided to spend all of black history month teaching us about the history and social impacts of slavery, the civil rights era, and the struggles and achievements of black americans. She was an awesome teacher, I love her. She did not hold anything back, we saw some cruel and disturbing shit like lynchings and klan burnings.
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It just seems like the importance of the history seems to have very little impact right now on people. Not understanding that less than 45 years ago, It was a justified law to segregate and discriminate black people. That the subjugation of black US natural born citizens was expected and condoned by the government and the community.

Less than 45 years ago, there were multiple laws in place specifically to restrict black people from the basics of their rights. That senators and politicians fought to keep these laws in place, explaining that they were justified and necessary. Communities would gather together to lynch black people without barely the hint of a cause just to set an example and exert their influence. The last recorded racial lynching was in 1981, barely a few years before I was born.

I just find it so confusing when Im reading these comments, and on twitter any counter-protesters basically ignoring history itself.
 
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HStallion

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joe2187 said:
It just seems like the importance of the history seems to have very little impact right now on people. Not understanding that less than 45 years ago, It was a justified law to segregate and discriminate black people. That the subjugation of black US natural born citizens was expected and condoned by the government and the community.

Less than 45 years ago, there were multiple laws in place specifically to restrict black people from the basics of their rights. That senators and politicians fought to keep these laws in place, explaining that they were justified and necessary. Communities would gather together to lynch black people without barely the hint of a cause just to set an example and exert their influence. The last recorded racial lynching was in 1981, barely a few years before I was born.

I just find it so confusing when Im reading these comments, and on twitter any counter-protesters basically ignoring history itself.
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Many Americans would have trouble naming the last 6 presidents let alone what happened over 45 years ago.
 
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EdibleKnife

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joe2187 said:
It just seems like the importance of the history seems to have very little impact right now on people. Not understanding that less than 45 years ago, It was a justified law to segregate and discriminate black people. That the subjugation of black US natural born citizens was expected and condoned by the government and the community.

Less than 45 years ago, there were multiple laws in place specifically to restrict black people from the basics of their rights. That senators and politicians fought to keep these laws in place, explaining that they were justified and necessary. Communities would gather together to lynch black people without barely the hint of a cause just to set an example and exert their influence. The last recorded racial lynching was in 1981, barely a few years before I was born.

I just find it so confusing when Im reading these comments, and on twitter any counter-protesters basically ignoring history itself.
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It's all about living in blissful ignorance. It's convenient for people to think that we've evolved past that stage. They can say everyone is on the same playing field and American society is inherently fair and anyone that complains about systems are just whiny people with victim complexes. They get to give points to society for progress and blame the people who are suffering for their own problems. They would actually need to start thinking critically about their own privileges and what they support within such an intrinsically broken structure if they truly acknowledged the past and how it affects the present.
 
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Noirulus

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Jumplion said:
I can't help but compare how the police are handling this (and most every other protest with BLM) to the Dallas police. I'm proud of how our city police handled our protest/rally. It's a stark contrast to so many other protests with police waving their guns every which way, handcuffing people for being off the sidewalk, and decked out in full riot gear against 20-somethings. It's sad that we kind of expect these protests to turn out this way most of the time.
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Yeah, but we saw what happened to the Dallas PD. You can't really blame them for being vigilant.
 
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Noirulus

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MogCakes said:
Showing the public you are not their enemy is more important than fear of a random mass murderer IMO.
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Would you seriously go completely unarmed and without protection if just a few days ago 5 of your co-workers were killed for standing up for the public?
 
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pigeon

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Noirulus said:
Would you seriously go completely unarmed and without protection if just a few days ago 5 of your co-workers were killed for standing up for the public?
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I mean, if there was one dude who killed a bunch of people at my work and they killed him I probably wouldn't worry too much. Why would there be others?

On the other hand, I don't have a job so unpopular that I would worry that somebody coming after people at my work might spawn copycats.
 
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Bad_Boy

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idk if posted... but There was a protest in Columbia, SC.

Here's what the captain of the fire department had to say about it.

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thankfully soon fired after.
 
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EdibleKnife

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Bad_Boy said:
idk if posted... but There was a protest in Columbia, SC.

Here's what the captain of the fire department had to say about it.

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thankfully soon fired after.
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"Fired" lol

These guys seem to say some pretty non-heroic things some of the time. Like what did he hope to get out of telling a bunch of people he was planning to kill them if he saw them? He wasn't going to scare them away.
 
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Bad_Boy

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EdibleKnife said:
"Fired" lol

These guys seem to say some pretty non-heroic things some of the time. Like what did he hope to get out of telling a bunch of people he was planning to kill them if he saw them? He wasn't going to scare them away.
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well... then you have ones like this.
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south memphis police officer posted that to his snapchat. and "suspended"... meaning he will still be on the street as an officer!
 
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The Kree

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Bad_Boy said:
well... then you have ones like this.
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south memphis police officer posted that to his snapchat. and "suspended"... meaning he will still be on the street as an officer!
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Cops using black children as target practice as a joke posted on social media. They get suspended with pay. But we're supposed to respect an institution that makes no effort to remove the cancer within it's own ranks.
 
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EdibleKnife

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LUFTRAUSER

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Dai101 said:
Seeing how whitewashed and sanitized texbooks are ....

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You can imagine the rest.
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This kind of fuckery is what you see in Texas textbooks but I grew up in an actual Southern state and our textbooks were not sanitized in the slightest. Just... fuck Texas man. Texas combines the worst of the Midwest with the worst of the South into its own particular brand of stupid.
 
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Foffy

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Ms.Galaxy said:
So we now have two recent example, all in the span of a week, where two black people got killed even if they do exactly what the cops tell them to do. Looks like that "just listen to the cops and they won't hurt you" excuse isn't valid anymore, is it.
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Listening to orders while black. :(
 
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JB1981

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Ms.Galaxy said:
So we now have two recent example, all in the span of a week, where two black people got killed even if they do exactly what the cops tell them to do. Looks like that "just listen to the cops and they won't hurt you" excuse isn't valid anymore, is it.
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Just watched the video several times and right when the camera starts to shake it does look like he points his arms forward and that is the precise moment the officers fired. I don't know why he would do that if he was armed. The video is not very clear though. I hope the body camera footage is released soon
 
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