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Rocket League cross-network play (PS4/Xbox) ready, only needs Sony approval
- Thread starter bjaelke
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Care to elaborate? There is a great deal of evidence of Sony having no policy against cross-platform multiplayer (ie a significant amount of cross-platform multiplayer games actually exist on Playstation), and also evidence of MS having a specific policy ruling out cross-platform multiplayer outside of Xbox Live (ie devs who have explicitly stated MS prevented this).
Perhaps I could have worded it more clearly.
Yes Sony are now working out their policies for how cross-platform multiplayer involving Xbox Live can be implemented.
But Sony decided that their policy on whether cross-platform multiplayer was allowed years ago. Their policy was "yes it is allowed".
Yes I imagine they'll want to test it before it goes live.
Back in may:
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That's exactly the policy thing talked about in the quoted comment above.
The point is that those people were wrong - never mind what you or someone else believes people were originally implying. I don't like the expression "the ball is in their court" but this article literally validates that original claim.
The ball is in Sony's court. This is now a 100% unequivocally correct, true statement that is beyond reproach.
SplitYourInfinities
Member
Even if you are saying this sarcastically, the ball really is in Sony's court.
Ploid 3.0
Member
They probably sent a patch to sony certification and are waiting on approval like any other patch. I doubt Sony would all of a sudden have a problem with cross play from other devices.
Also maybe they are going to be checking to make sure there's no exploit that can be caused that could put PSN an it's customers at risk. FIFA
Also maybe they are going to be checking to make sure there's no exploit that can be caused that could put PSN an it's customers at risk. FIFA
This is my view as well tbh. I can see how it'd be great for niche games with struggling populations... but if there are plenty of other people, then I'd rather not not have my games populated with what would feel like really intelligent bots.
This needs to happen. This dev deserves so much credit with taking the hand off and actually doing the work. We need to support them.. (most already have I assume). But we NEED this to happen.
Rocket league will be fine no matter what, but I think of games like Warframe, World of Tanks and even games like Watch Dogs 2. Population in games with multiplayer that might need some help to keep them going.
When MS is all for it we know we have broken down some barriers and won some battles. The industry needs this... we need this. Sony give the go ahead and make this happen.
Rocket league will be fine no matter what, but I think of games like Warframe, World of Tanks and even games like Watch Dogs 2. Population in games with multiplayer that might need some help to keep them going.
When MS is all for it we know we have broken down some barriers and won some battles. The industry needs this... we need this. Sony give the go ahead and make this happen.
Ploid 3.0
Member
When people start playing other games, the combined whole will prevent it from feeling like it's hard to get matches. Example, Dragon Age Inquisition have all 3 platforms separate (not counting last gen), the weekly challenges are as well. PC and Xbox one have the same goal for weekly challenges while the PS4 have a much higher goal to make their weekly challenge tough to get as well. If they were all combined Bioware could just have one goal, and everyone would be together on it, and also have many more people populating online.
It's win win for everyone.
Would pls anyone think of e-sport?
What Psyonix are attempting to do is consolidate everyone into a single player pool - that doesnt necessarily affect the scenario you are considering as theres no universal party system to easily organise yourself.
AFAIA you cant friend people on other platforms nor group up to matchmake with them outside of custom games.
No doubt things like that may come in the future from the platform holders working together but I suspect this current game-by-game cross-network play will remain the thing for a long time to come and it will be up to the game developer to provide those additional features you allude to.
ps3ud0 8)
Because it wasn't that simple to know who it was when neither party publicly lists their requirements to cross-play and both where "open" to the idea of cross-play and that still stands. Saying it was in "X" court at the time was pure speculation and some being misguided by MS's PR.
That's just a silly thing to say. The ball is in Sony court for RL for anything else it is unknown. MS like Sony are both "open" to cross-play and will allow it where requirements are met. i.e For FFXIV and DC Universe Online the ball is in MS's court.
OdysseusVA
Banned
So the ball was in Sony's court
i personally don't think this is beneficial to sony as much as it is for MS.
Sony wants people to pick up their console to play with friends that are already invested in ps4 since they are leading in install base. By taking away the install base advantage, which benefits MS, gamers are not forced to pick up the ps4. they can just buy the game on xb1 and play with their friends on ps4 and this is very good as a consumer. As far as Sony is concerned there are people out there picking up a ps4 version or a ps4 to play with their friends or even buying multiple copies to play on both so as a business they may not be too eager to get this implemented
Sony wants people to pick up their console to play with friends that are already invested in ps4 since they are leading in install base. By taking away the install base advantage, which benefits MS, gamers are not forced to pick up the ps4. they can just buy the game on xb1 and play with their friends on ps4 and this is very good as a consumer. As far as Sony is concerned there are people out there picking up a ps4 version or a ps4 to play with their friends or even buying multiple copies to play on both so as a business they may not be too eager to get this implemented
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Xbox LIVE ready and waiting
PSN one or two kinks to iron out first, then we a go!
PSN one or two kinks to iron out first, then we a go!
Jokes. Please happen, cross platform competitions would be ace. For all games!
LordBaztion
Member
Will benefit the Xbox user base with a large influx of players... so
![QUOTE]Sony basically has nothing to win with this, they may actually incentive some online focused PS exclusives to go to xbox if user base becomes a no issue.](http://i.imgur.com/xUrQUBp.gif[img][/QUOTE]Sony basically has nothing to win with this, they may actually incentive some online focused PS exclusives to go to xbox if user base becomes a no issue.)
This doesn't work like that. You can't party up with people on other systems, you can't message them and you can't voice chat with them. It's a great feature for games with low sales, but it comes at a cost - suddenly you can't expect to have any interactions with the people you're playing with anymore. PS4 and Steam people can't join up easily, it doesn't work like that.
There are good and bad sides to this feature as it is, but it's nowhere near the utopia where everyone plays together that these threads paint this as.
Right. So after like 12/13 years being against cross-platform play, Microsoft changed their policy.
Saying "Ball's now in Sony's court" was never technically incorrect, it was just absurdly reductive. As it is now.
If/when Sony actually do block cross-platform play with this or any other game (as in prevent it ever happening, not just delay it with the typical bottlenecks you get with this kind of organisation), then there will be a reason to suggest Sony are at fault.
bananafactory
Banned
Given how painful it is for them to make any sort or change or update to their network and bizarre things like being unable to find a way to let people change their PSN IDs, I'm not holding out hope this will happen anytime soon
CountAntonius
Member
This is really important for the competitive scene. Xbox gets left out of a lot of tournaments because they can't join private matches with PS4 players. I really hope this finally happens.
JayhawkerStL
Banned
I love how quickly people can go from dinging MS for policies that only benefit MS to defending Sony for policies that only benefit Sony.
TheGreyHulk
Member
They better green light this. I have it on XB1 and adding all the PS4 users to the pool would be great.
It's a step in the right direction. I might not be able to party up or freind those guys, but i play solo anyway so just having a larger user base is fine with me.
I see cross platform play for online games as a must for console/pc games. You want a large user base who can all interact with each other similar to how you can on mobile and the only way to do that is to let the networks talk to each other. It needs to be done for all games going fwd.
It's a step in the right direction. I might not be able to party up or freind those guys, but i play solo anyway so just having a larger user base is fine with me.
I see cross platform play for online games as a must for console/pc games. You want a large user base who can all interact with each other similar to how you can on mobile and the only way to do that is to let the networks talk to each other. It needs to be done for all games going fwd.
CountAntonius
Member
This has nothing to do with PSN changes. Sony just needs to say yes and Psyonix hits a switch.
PackAPunchedMick
Member
I don't want a future of cross-console play, the parity clauses would melt minds.
What?
Ehhh it's more than just them saying yes though. They want to get everything in order legally and officially because when they say yes other companies are going to want information on it as well. This pretty much lined up with what I figured was going on. Sony wants to get all the paperwork in order but have indicated to the company that they will approve the measure. Also confirms that Sony didn't have any notice ahead of time that this was in development on RL.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I'm not really sure what they would gain by not allowing this.
You can't party up between PC and PS4 and play ranked games (which is what matters to "serious" players) anyway, all you can do is play friendly matches on private servers. If you want to get some real action going you're gonna need to be on the same system.
You can't party up between PC and PS4 and play ranked games (which is what matters to "serious" players) anyway, all you can do is play friendly matches on private servers. If you want to get some real action going you're gonna need to be on the same system.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Hey devs, just pick up the phone and talk to Sony, they're approachable.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Fix this shit Sony
TimeEffect
Member
So basically, the ball has been in Sony's court for a long time.
What was I reading last time about MS having some policies in place that would make Sony hesitant?
What was I reading last time about MS having some policies in place that would make Sony hesitant?
They mention asking for updates often in the article, i dont think its that simple
Emperor Bohe
Member
Sony pls
Are you being sarcastic or something? They have talked to Sony quite a bit going by the article and are just waiting for final approval.
It has been in Sony's court since the crossplatform plan was revealed to everyone. RL devs did not share any information on this before it was announced publicly. That was on the development side. Several MMO's have said that Microsoft wants certain network conditions in place before they would allow it and some devs didn't find it worthwhile.
PackAPunchedMick
Member
Imagine both Sony and Microsoft allowing cross-console play, do you really think one or the other would allow their competitor to have the "better" version?
Hope Sony allows this, would love it for CoD etc aswell.
Yet. You'll be able to if this becomes the norm, devs will just make in game friends lists or something similar to Battle.net ID's and use that for cross platform parties. This is only the first stage to a true unified playerbase
Yet. You'll be able to if this becomes the norm, devs will just make in game friends lists or something similar to Battle.net ID's and use that for cross platform parties. This is only the first stage to a true unified playerbase
it's just bigger matchmaking pools. Not as big a deal as people are making it imo.
Ummmm yes? How exactly do you think multiplayer works on PC? Or between console and PC for that matter? The differences in console MP modes will often be quite small anyway so there absolutely wouldn't be console parity clauses in this instance.
OnionPowder
Member
they're making fun of Microsofts parity clause.
Unified playerbase will probably never exist. This is not PSN and XBL talking to each other. This is each one talking to a 3rd system that compiles everything. To have a unified list you would have to create the systems yourself and tie them together but I have now clue how the voice chat system or party system would work.
SliceSabre
Banned
Even though I don't play RL I'm interested to see how this all works out.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Your move Sony.
It is a big deal for future games if both Sony and Microsoft opens up to it. It's less about Rocket League and more about the message those companies are sending.
CountAntonius
Member
I meant from the technical side.
They'll allow it on their own network (PS4 vs Neo version) so I don't see what it would change to have Xbox One vs PS4.
Opens the floodgates for other multiplayer games with longer life spans (ie Overwatch, possibly Tekken 7, etc) to do cross play as well.