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Digital Foundry vs Xbox One S
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Caayn
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Yeah, I miss those as well. Would like to seem them added, or done in a future article. With the new PS4 models DF had a nice chart showing the heat differences accompanied by a heatmap picture of two models.
The Xbox one came out in Nov 2013. The Xbox one S came out in Aug 2016. (Almost 3 years later) The Scorpio won't be out for over another year.
Beyond that, releasing a slim console with modest efficiencies and improvements , disadvantages no one. It's been a practice before this gen.
The 'advantage' of consoles is that you buy your hardware, and can trust that it will be the dev target for a number of years. This hasn't changed.
Being guarunteed the "best" box while its tech rapidly becomes obsolete, is not the "advantage" of console ownership. How would your OG Xbox/ PS4 experience be improved by companies NOT releasing improved hardware mid-cycle?
In what world is a PS4 less noisy than a Xbox One?
In a world where we can test things. Again this is about blu-ray playback
PS4
XBox One
The One S is even louder at 47db
source
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-hardware-test
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hardware-test-playstation-4
For its power draw the XB1 has a poor non-customised cooling solution.
You were saying?
In a world where we can test things. Again this is about blu-ray playback
PS4
XBox One
The One S is even louder at 47db
source
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-hardware-test
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hardware-test-playstation-4
For its power draw the XB1 has a poor non-customised cooling solution.
Eh? I think in this case, the problem is not the cooling solution but the sound of the drive.
Colbert
Banned
In a world where we can test things. Again this is about blu-ray playback
PS4
XBox One
The One S is even louder at 47db
source
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-hardware-test
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hardware-test-playstation-4
For its power draw the XB1 has a poor non-customised cooling solution.
Nice try to spin the message, but you may have missed this important part of the report:
Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-microsoft-xbox-one-s-reviewEurogamer:
And while we carried out these tests, we also broke out the sound meter to measure the acoustics of the new console compared to the launch version. We placed the meter right next to the machine, so don't think of these numbers as representative of the experience, count on it more as a comparison point between the two iterations of Microsoft hardware. As things stand, the bottom line is clear: the new console has significant power efficiency advantages over the older model thanks to the process shrink, but the trade-off is a louder machine - most likely down to the reduced form factor.
Typically we note a 3dB increase in noise from the Xbox One S - a touch disappointing for a machine with media credentials, where really we'd want as discreet an experience as possible. However, the 42-44dB noise factor is still a huge improvement over PlayStation 4, which is up to 10dB louder under load. Xbox One S is still a larger console than its Sony competitor, but it houses a larger cooling assembly and put simply, a larger fan spinning more slowly makes less noise.
To me it looks the way that the disc drive adds a fair chunk to the noise on top of the noise increase due to the slimmer form factor and the included power brick.!
Perhaps but it is also just as loud when idle at 5C lower. It's cooling solution is off the shelf. Richard may think that a big fan = quiet but he is mistaken. Richard is just repeating what he has heard without much thought. A larger fan compared to a smaller fan in a like for like comparison can be quieter simply because it needs to spin at a lower speed to maintain the same airflow. What he doesn't realise though is that he is comparing an axial fan to a centrifugal one. In a centrifugal fan the moving parts are covered by a housing and therefore actually can run quieter than an axial one which often has the fan exposed..
No. read my post above about it being idle. also note that he says UNDER LOAD. If anything Richard is adding spin* by simply not mentioning that when he says UNDER LOAD he means playing a game.
Not spin, more confusing people by jumping between game BD playback noise
nobody said there is anything wrong with the Xbone S cooling system did they? Simply that during Blu-ray playback it's louder...
There is no spin going on...there are objective facts...both the OG Bone and PS4 are quieter than the S during Blu-ray playback...
No, what is being said is the PS4 and OG Bone are quieter during Blu-ray playback lol
You do realize Sony uses two different fan manufactures right? Every single person that says their PS4 is quiet has a Nidec fan. Must be nice but not everyone is that lucky. I have a dB meter. I can provide you some hard numbers later.
Colbert
Banned
Really, you are more interested about idle noise than under load? Why that?
Okay maybe you have running your console all day long even you don't use it which I don't (waste of energy/money IMO) but I would be always more interested about the noise while I playing games and watch movies on my console just because of the distraction factor of the noise while doing it.
But maybe I am a rare bread ....
Colbert
Banned
lol first you argued that it was basically impossible for a PS4 to be quieter than an Xbone..now this? Keep shifting those goalposts my friend, eventually you'll be right
That's exactly what's being talked about...while watching Blu-ray movies the PS4 and OGBone are quieter lol
is he talking about the OGBone, or the S?
You'r not. Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding here. The PS4 is quieter than a XB1 and a XB1S in Blu ray playback. The XB1 is quieter when playing games. There is nothing wrong with the cooler if it runs 5C lower but it certainly could have been quieter with its power draw. Just that it doesn't mean it's less noise if it's bigger or smaller. One is a standard axial fan and the other a custom centrifugal one. Bigger doesn't = quieter in situations like that. If the XB1/XB1S had a custom fan design with its lower power draw it could have been quieter.
Read into it. Compare both fans(I had both in my PS4) and then eat crow.
Bits N Pieces
Member
List Wars: The Fan Years (lol)
Colbert
Banned
I give you that the Xbox One S is louder while playing any type of disc. Thats what I was saying from the beginning. Just reread my first comment in response to three.
lol, true. I'll refrain from adding to the discussion any further, it seems to have taken a wrong turn into hostility.
Colbert
Banned
All okay. At least for me. Its fair to say that the Xbox One S is louder for certain circumstances like playing any kind of disc compared to PS4 and the original Xbox One. But its also fair to say that the Xbox One S is quieter under load when no disc is involved compared to the PS4.
MaximusPayne
Member
Well we all know that the One S is louder during 4k disc playback....
Wrong? No. But take a look at what I quoted.
Based on what df tested, yes. We don't know how much that relates to a consensus when there are many people reporting loud consoles. It could be that it's not a widespread issue but it also could be that it is.
psychotron
Member
These numbers are odd. My XBone is definitely quieter than my PS4, at idle and especially while gaming. Playing Uncharted or Doom makes it sound like my PS4 is going to explode, lol. My Xbone never makes a peep. Those numbers suggest they sound the same at idle, which has not been the case for me. My PS4 is louder no matter the situation. I really wish I could test this thing out in my living room before giving up my OG XB1, but I'll need the money for the purchase.
Colbert
Banned
In my experience the external power brick (fan) of the Xbox One is louder than my console itself in any situation even a disc is in the tray. Even the console is turned off the think just keeps spinning for some time. The odd thing is the brick is behind a sideboard so I would imagine it would be block the noise from me :/
Btw its not that loud but just noticeable. By noise I wouldn't be able to tell if the console is turned on or not, I always have to check if the logo has a light on it.
What about it? The cooling design is poor in that it has not been designed at all. The XB1 has a lower TDP an external power supply with it's own fan and makes just as much noise when idle. I think it's fair to say the cooling solution design is poor because it isn't custom but that there is nothing "wrong" with it because it gets the job done in any case.
Ricky Ricardo
Member
Nidec fan on the left, quiet. Fan made by Delta on the right means jet noise PS4 even at idle. I bet $10 that DF has one with a Nidec fan.
I must have a delta fan then :l
the crow is yours to eat man...i think your argument was "in what world is a PS4 quieter than an Xbox One?"
lol
I was only talking about the noise created from bluray playback
huh? My name refers to my favorite baseball team, and my avatar is from a movie...
Loud consoles could be all sorts of things though...failing thermal paste, and dust build being major problems there...
Its common knowledge that in general the PS4 is louder than an Xbone... significantly smaller and tightly packed...I don't think anyone is arguing that point...
Colbert
Banned
Sorry, did not had my glasses on. It looked like that NPC in Demons Souls that gives you assassination orders
Have edited my post.They wouldn't because I believe Nidec fans were introduced some time after the launch batch. The one DF tested was a launch console. The newer CUH 1200 models are even quieter. Also this is a little different to "In what world is a PS4 quieter than an XB1" or "the fuck am I reading" because if you knew that these PS4s existed you would have been able to answer your own question right?
I wasn't aware of a PS4 being quieter than the Xbox One. Hell I put the Nidec fan in my own PS4 that had a delta fan and the numbers are still higher than my Xbox One. I had never seen that DF test. Nidec was in some launch units as that was the pS4 that I got the fan from. It was sold as broken on eBay.
Caayn
Member
What? PS4 follows the laptop route for its cooling design while the Xbox One takes the desktop route for its cooling design. Both are custom solutions based on existing designs. And why does it matter? It's the result that matters.
TLZ
Banned
Nah.
Came to post this, was it ever advertised as any performance increase by MS or is this just console wars garbage?
edit: sorry missed that: "Some games (ones that utilise dynamic resolution and/or unlocked frame-rates) may see a very minor performance improvement," says Microsoft's Albert Penello,
c'mon
No, you are not. We have anecdotal references from users and from Richard from df and that is what it comes down to in the end.
Yes, df provided actual numbers but users say that their ps4, if anything, is louder that their bone.
Richards numbers are for games.
Yes and laptops have custom designs that offer good cooling in a small space. now imagine a less powerful laptop in a desktop case that makes just as much noise when idle and you realise why the design isn't exactly great and could have been better.
df's numbers. It doesn't matter who anyway.
Being pedantic doesn't help in the topic we are talking about, Three. You posted df numbers, I said Richard who works for df but it wasn't actually him. Yes. Again, it's not important who measured it at df.
Caayn
Member
So the poor designed system stays on the same sound level, even under load while the great designed system gets noticeably louder the more load it's under? I'm confused by your logic.
Given how loud the ps4 is to users here, its thermal design seems just not appropriate for the form factor.
we all know that obsolete tech is not the reason for the updated consoles this generation...it's about VR and trying to push it to the masses...no VR and there wouldn't be any Neo or Scorpio
It has nothing to do with being pedantic I thought you were talking about Richards article.